Official ATK Binding Thread

[grinch]

Close one. Almost grabbed those roxa's. Didnt have my size. 220usd w the extra 10% off

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[CaliBrit]

Close one. Almost grabbed those roxa's. Didnt have my size. 220usd w the extra 10% off

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Yeah I grabbed some RT 10 evo and the al13 which honestly I think might be the sweet spot in the ATK range.

[Pins and Skins]

Same here Brit, also ordered some RT10 Evo but without the spacer.

My only small concern is the the 14.5 delta of that binding. For me, they are gonna be used more for technical/shorter tours so not too worried, but that is a lot of delta! And you can't even shim the monolink toe.

Yeah I grabbed some RT 10 evo and the al13 which honestly I think might be the sweet spot in the ATK range.

[Eluder]

What's the word on Brake sizing. Will the 120mm retract enough for a 112 waist ski?

[grinch]

Yeah I grabbed some RT 10 evo and the al13 which honestly I think might be the sweet spot in the ATK range.

Looks like a similar heel as a raider with a lighter toe. Some advanced design for the cnc machine. Evo toes are looking the bidness.
They still have a few good options on their site compared to all the others. Kuluars are roughly the same price as the ones i just ordered from alpinstore

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[ezgzy]

PSA oliunid has extra 10% off damn good euro prices right now. Cheap shipping too.

Is the discount applied automatically or is there a code? I feel like i’m missing something


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[Pins and Skins]

Code is EXTRA10 at checkout

Is the discount applied automatically or is there a code? I feel like i’m missing something


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[CaliBrit]

Same here Brit, also ordered some RT10 Evo but without the spacer.

My only small concern is the the 14.5 delta of that binding. For me, they are gonna be used more for technical/shorter tours so not too worried, but that is a lot of delta! And you can't even shim the monolink toe.

I never realized this. Went and measured my wife’s RT 8 Evos and it is indeed that big.

Cancelling my order.

I like 11. 14+ is too much.

[Eluder]

What's the word on Brake sizing. Will the 120mm retract enough for a 112 waist ski?

I found that 108s have to bent to fit, any input on 120's?

[Pins and Skins]

Yah I got the info from Skimo's well-known delta table. RT10 Evo is not shown, but Hagan's Pin Up Evo is the same.

It appears the Raider Evo (same as Hagan's Core Evo) also got jacked up, it's now 13.5. The new brake system must have added some height to the heel, but at least the Raider/Core Evos can be toe shimmed.

I never realized this. Went and measured my wife’s RT 8 Evos and it is indeed that big.

Cancelling my order.

I like 11. 14+ is too much.

[Benneke10]

Everything can be shimmed. If B&D doesn't have a shim, Spyderjon can make one at a reasonable price

[Westcoaster]

Everything can be shimmed. If B&D doesn't have a shim, Spyderjon can make one at a reasonable price

Send cut send delrin is ~15 bucks a pair

[CaliBrit]

I found that 108s have to bent to fit, any input on 120's?

120 fine on 112 v werks katana.

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

Why can’t you shim the mono link toe?

By the way, I used a generic B&D shim that fit the holes on my Crest toes, and I just realized it doesn’t extend forward underneath the extension of the baseplate that the toe lever lockets into.
Yesterday, I came out of my toes twice while skinning. There is a small chance I forgot to lock the toes, but twice seems unlikely.
So I wonder if the lack of support, is letting the baseplate flex, reducing the clamping force in locked out mode.

[Westcoaster]

Why can’t you shim the mono link toe?

By the way, I used a generic B&D shim that fit the holes on my Crest toes, and I just realized it doesn’t extend forward underneath the extension of the baseplate that the toe lever lockets into.
Yesterday, I came out of my toes twice while skinning. There is a small chance I forgot to lock the toes, but twice seems unlikely.
So I wonder if the lack of support, is letting the baseplate flex, reducing the clamping force in locked out mode.

That is definitely what is happening

[upallnight]

That is definitely what is happening

I've shimmed the RT10 the same way — zero problems skinning, just as a counterpoint. I've also shimmed the C-Raider 12. I believe that is similarly unsupported (need to verify).

Since January, I've put about 50 days of touring. Wanted to offer that as a counterpoint, not to diminish your issue.

[CaliBrit]

In conversation with my buddy and reading a few reviews it seems that downhill performance of the marker alpinist that seems to punch above its weight might be somewhat related to the material choices, particularly the composite toe.

Which had me thinking, does the C Raider absorb any more vibration on hard snow vs the metal versions?

Anyone have an observational A/B comparison?

[ApexSkua]

In conversation with my buddy and reading a few reviews it seems that downhill performance of the marker alpinist that seems to punch above its weight might be somewhat related to the material choices, particularly the composite toe.

Which had me thinking, does the C Raider absorb any more vibration on hard snow vs the metal versions?

Anyone have an observational A/B comparison?

Curious about this as well.

https://cripplecreekbc.com/products/...xoCr54QAvD_BwE

Kastle appears to be selling branded “narrow” freeride spacers, like the ones that come with the fr14 as opposed to the slightly wider al09.


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Has anyone tried these spacers? You're not supposed to use the AL09 on <95mm skis. Is this a hard and fast rule or will it be fine for something like Ripstick 94 Tour?

[Beder]

^^^I have the 95mm spacer on my Zero G 95. It's no issue at all. It sits a few mm above the top sheet. I wouldn't hesitate at all to put if on your 94's.

[Eluder]

Everyone happy with the C-raider? Plastic toe but actually looks a little simpler.

[CaliBrit]

Everyone happy with the C-raider? Plastic toe but actually looks a little simpler.

You know what’s funny. The plastic toe actual parts are the same as the Kuluar as far as I can see. It doesn’t have the icing protection of the freeraider.

[upallnight]

In conversation with my buddy and reading a few reviews it seems that downhill performance of the marker alpinist that seems to punch above its weight might be somewhat related to the material choices, particularly the composite toe.

Which had me thinking, does the C Raider absorb any more vibration on hard snow vs the metal versions?

Anyone have an observational A/B comparison?

I've used a bunch of ATK models and tour every single day (~150 days a season, these days). If there is a vibrational difference with the C-Raider vs others, it's lost in the noise.

Curious about this as well.


Has anyone tried these spacers? You're not supposed to use the AL09 on <95mm skis. Is this a hard and fast rule or will it be fine for something like Ripstick 94 Tour?

(a) The Ripstick 94 Tour is <95 under foot, so that's a non-issue.
(b) The ski/binding isn't suddenly going to blow up with that spacer installed on a ski a little wider. I have them on Zero G 95s and will be mounting one to a ski that is 120 under foot (just haven't gotten around to it). My other skis in the 105-115 range have models like the C-Raider which accept the other type of free ride spacer, else I'd use the Universal one there, too.

Everyone happy with the C-raider? Plastic toe but actually looks a little simpler.

It's great. However — I think the 5 positions are dumb, though. I either use the flat position or a mid-rise. The magnetic riser then just becomes a bit of a nuisance. (My tours can involve crossing a flat lake that is up to 6 miles wide, and they can involve steep skin tracks. Most often I just use the flat position for all of it.)

I got the C-Raider because it was marginally lighter than another model and, I think, I got a deal on it at the time.

Also, the toe shim I use means there is no support near the locking mechanism. It's fine.

[ApexSkua]

(a) The Ripstick 94 Tour is <95 under foot, so that's a non-issue.
(b) The ski/binding isn't suddenly going to blow up with that spacer installed on a ski a little wider. I have them on Zero G 95s and will be mounting one to a ski that is 120 under foot (just haven't gotten around to it). My other skis in the 105-115 range have models like the C-Raider which accept the other type of free ride spacer, else I'd use the Universal one there, too.

I think you misunderstood. I listened to the Blister podcast where they interviewed the ATK founder. He said that ATK's recommendation was to not use the freeride spacer on skis less than 95mm underfoot, I believe because the tabs may stick out. The 178 Ripstick Tour 94 is 93mm underfoot, thus I was checking to see if anyone else had used the AL09 on skis narrower than 95mm. It sounds Beder below thinks it will be fine.

[upallnight]

I think you misunderstood. I listened to the Blister podcast where they interviewed the ATK founder. He said that ATK's recommendation was to not use the freeride spacer on skis less than 95mm underfoot, I believe because the tabs may stick out. The 178 Ripstick Tour 94 is 93mm underfoot, thus I was checking to see if anyone else had used the AL09 on skis narrower than 95mm. It sounds Beder below thinks it will be fine.

I'm sorry — you are right: I did misunderstand.

I just measured the sliding "anti-friction plate" on the Universal Freeride Spacer. It measures just over 67mm. This piece overhangs the plastic underneath it by just a bit.

I suspect this would be fine for skis as narrow as 65mm under foot.

I'd have no problem putting this on narrower skis, for sure.

[CaliBrit]

Long shot. Anyone have any of the R12 2.0 heels they would part with?

Hagen core heel is same.

These ones:

https://www.wildsnow.com/22367/atk-r...w-ski-binding/