Official ATK Binding Thread

[twoturn]

Thanks. Sent them a message a bit ago

[NOLAjong]

Does anyone have any experience with the ATK Rent me 10 demo bindings? I won a pair in a fundraiser raffle and I’m trying to decide whether to mount them up or not.

[Dan816]

I'm sure this has been covered below, but can't find it. Can anyone lay out the difference between raider, freeraider, raider evo and freeraider evo? Thanks.

[gorek]

Funny I was just looking at the same thing.

As far as I understand:
- raider vs freeraider : the freeraider comes in with a higher dyn and the freeride spacer. It's a small spacer that goes between the heel of the boot and the ski, supposedly making for better power transfer. Note that the spacer can be added as an option on the raider, blurring the line between the 2 a bit.
- evo vs classic range: evo is the new 2023 version. They have an automatic brake release system (as opposed to a button activated at transition time version for the classic). They also have a dyn adjustable toe piece (as opposed to simply soft, medium or hard on the classic). The evo range is a big heavier than the classic range.

Now where I'm confused is the fact that the stated weight for the freeraider is lower than raider+spacer. Not by much but still confusing since the freeraider is supposed to be beefier.

Hope that helps.

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

@Gorek:
One clarification:
the hard-medium-soft toe clamping of the ‘old’ models is in WALK mode.
The new Evo toes have adjustable clamping force in the toes in SKI mode.

[CaliBrit]

If you run brakes the evo is an easy decision for me. Got my wife the RT evo 8 and the heel works great. The brake button is annoying if you transition skis on.

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

@Calibrit, does the auto brake work pretty well? I’ve had some issues with the regular brake icing up and not wanting to lock up without some persuasion.

If it works, it seems great to me. Like you said, the regular brake is a bit annoying to use on the right side ski, and sometimes I forget to unlock it.

[gorek]

@Tjaardbreeuwer:
Thank! That's a pretty serious misunderstanding I had made.

I'll be eager to get feedback on people using this new toe system. Is it solid? Does it make a difference?

[CaliBrit]

@Calibrit, does the auto brake work pretty well? I’ve had some issues with the regular brake icing up and not wanting to lock up without some persuasion.

If it works, it seems great to me. Like you said, the regular brake is a bit annoying to use on the right side ski, and sometimes I forget to unlock it.

Not field verified but works well on the bench and the wife didn’t come back from a resort skin and whine at me!

[Thorpedo]

does anyone know what the ramp angle of the evo 15 is? Is it the same as the moment voyager? or do you need the spacer to achieve that same angle. though I read that the fr16 had the same flatter ramp angle as the voyager but can't seem to find info on the evo 15.

[hafjell]

Does anyone have any experience with the ATK Rent me 10 demo bindings? I won a pair in a fundraiser raffle and I’m trying to decide whether to mount them up or not.

Yes. Solid. If the specs match what you were hoping for, I'd use.
They have the breaks in the front of the toe? Even better if yes.

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

I just had a brake ‘fail’ on my ATK Crest.
I came out of the binding laterally. The ski kept sliding, even though it was a very low angle slope. Luckily for me, it was my backyard and it stopped 100’ further on, when it hit the neighbors deck

When I got the ski, I could see what happened: the rotated heel tower kept the brakes from popping all the way up/down. Instead, they were down about 2/3 of their normal max ‘depth’ .
This seems to depend on what happens with the brake stomp pad as your boot comes off it.


Anyone else ever have this happen?

[Smallfurry]

Lame question.

But Im looking to buy a pair of Trofeo 8 or plum R150. No idea why I should buy one over the other to be honest.

I’m 78kg and am more interested in touring then skiing hard on the downhill. Obviously I want some fun downhill but I won’t be pushing it.

Skis will be DPS Cassiar 87 tour1, or ZAC ubec 89. Yet another thing I can’t decide.

Lame question: ATK say max 80mm / 1000g ski for the Trofeo. Which both skis overrun. The Trofeo plus is recommended but I have no need for adjustment plates. Is this a bolt pattern issue, or are ATK just being overly cautious?

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

I figured out what was going on that was causing the interference between brake and heel tower:
On those skis, I mounted the bindings (almost) all the way forward in their brake tracks.
This brings the heel tower in close enough to overhang the rear of the brake stomp plate.
So this explains why I’d never had it happen before, despite owning several pairs in the family and using them for a few years.
I ended up snipping some plastic off the end and corners of the stomp pad, so that it clears well now.
That does expose the brake lock down mechanism more. I don’t know if that will make it more or less prone to icing up, since snow can get in easier, but also can get out easier.

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

@Smallfurry,

ATK is just giving an idea of use, not a safety thing. Basically, they list narrow skis with lightweight, stripped down bindings and vice versa.
As you observed, the plus version is recommended, which shows you its not a safety issue, if anything, that would be less strong.

Thos same type of question was discussed somewhere else, I can’t remember if it was this thread, or the 300g thread, or the skinny ski tread. Either way, the answer is: your fine on any ski.

This even from ATK’s founder himself in a Blister podcast, regarding the need for the Raider.

[Smallfurry]

Thanks for the answer. I figured as much.

Just need to decide versjon now. Like i said Im 77kg. So trofeo 8 is my gut choice. A quick check on DIN calculaors says more like 6 though. Might be my 5’6 Heights meaning i have a lack of leverege 🤔. ATK say trofeo 8 for my weight. But i feel better followibgbthe calculated DIN of 6. sound resonable?

I’ll read around the 300g thread for more info too.

Thanks again.

[ezgzy]

Lame question.

But Im looking to buy a pair of Trofeo 8 or plum R150. No idea why I should buy one over the other to be honest.

I’m 78kg and am more interested in touring then skiing hard on the downhill. Obviously I want some fun downhill but I won’t be pushing it.

Skis will be DPS Cassiar 87 tour1, or ZAC ubec 89. Yet another thing I can’t decide.

Lame question: ATK say max 80mm / 1000g ski for the Trofeo. Which both skis overrun. The Trofeo plus is recommended but I have no need for adjustment plates. Is this a bolt pattern issue, or are ATK just being overly cautious?

There are lots of people running trofeos and other fixed heels ok skis wider and heavier than that, i think atk is just being cautions. The plate gives you the wider mounting pattern which helps prevent ripping the bindings out as you suggested


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[CaliBrit]

Put some nice FR14’s in gear swap.

[Smallfurry]

Can the Haute route be mounted without the adjuster plate?

[cat in january]

Thanks for the answer. I figured as much.

Just need to decide versjon now. Like i said Im 77kg. So trofeo 8 is my gut choice. A quick check on DIN calculaors says more like 6 though. Might be my 5’6 Heights meaning i have a lack of leverege ��. ATK say trofeo 8 for my weight. But i feel better followibgbthe calculated DIN of 6. sound resonable?

I’ll read around the 300g thread for more info too.

Thanks again.

You might want the bigger spring once you add another eight or ten kilograms for your pack weight

[Benneke10]

Can the Haute route be mounted without the adjuster plate?

I think you can mount it without the plate but the hole pattern doesn't line up with any of the options on the ATK jig. The Black Diamond Helio LT is designed to be used without the plate/ mounted with the ATK jig

[MottN]

I think you can mount it without the plate but the hole pattern doesn't line up with any of the options on the ATK jig. The Black Diamond Helio LT is designed to be used without the plate/ mounted with the ATK jig

Are you sure? I remember on the paper templates on their website they have the holes marked for with and without the adjuster plate.

[Benneke10]

Are you sure? I remember on the paper templates on their website they have the holes marked for with and without the adjuster plate.

There is a discussion if you scroll down here https://skimo.co/atk-haute-route-binding

[MottN]

They have the holes marked in the paper templates matching the trofeo holes, and must be assuming some people will mount without the adjuster.
Should match the trofeo holes in the jig too?

[MottN]

There is a discussion if you scroll down here https://skimo.co/atk-haute-route-binding

Ah interesting, that makes sense. Weird that they have it in their templates and stuff as an option.
That said, there really is not much point. If you are trying to save the 30 grams or whatever you are better off with a u-spring binding.