Official ATK Binding Thread

[Benneke10]

I've ordered from them several times over the last 6 months.
From what i understand if you are ordering to the US, as long as its under $800 you don't have to pay import duties. No issues so far, largest order i had was $690.

Is the $800 threshold for import duties apply to all euro sites shipping to US? It would be consistent with my experience ordering in the past from Snowcountry, T-P, Bobleisure, etc. Import duties over $800 and none below, that said the only site I've had a $800+ order with is Snowcountry.

[robnow]

Just noticed these micro cracks on my FR14s. Only have the one ski on me so will check the other one later.

[timmaio]

Is the $800 threshold for import duties apply to all euro sites shipping to US? It would be consistent with my experience ordering in the past from Snowcountry, T-P, Bobleisure, etc. Import duties over $800 and none below, that said the only site I've had a $800+ order with is Snowcountry.

It's a US import duty policy: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/nationa...-increases-800

[Beder]

Have a FR 14 coming from Snowcounrty for about $472. Am guessing good deals will be had on this one ahead of the Evo models.

[twoturn]

Ordered some ATK FR’s from Telemark Pyrenees somewhat recently for about $290 below what I could find them for here. Shipping was about 5 days to the Seattle area and not a penny in duty. Have ordered 5-6 times from them for big ticket items, under $700, and have never paid anything upon receipt.

[dcpnz]

Are ATK brakes fairly accurately sized ?

Presumably theres a bit of bending wiggle room with these light touring brakes anyway but I'd rather just order the right ones to begin with.

Skis in question are 103 and 107 waist so thinking 102 and 108 brakes???

[MottN]

Are ATK brakes fairly accurately sized ?

Presumably theres a bit of bending wiggle room with these light touring brakes anyway but I'd rather just order the right ones to begin with.

Skis in question are 103 and 107 waist so thinking 102 and 108 brakes???

Seems variable. I measured two pairs i had sitting around: 110mm wide for a 108mm brake and 99mm wide for a 93mm brake. This is measuring width when deployed with a flat thin ruler at the binding mount surface/topsheet level.

[stuntmanbo]

Are ATK brakes fairly accurately sized ?


Skis in question are 103 and 107 waist so thinking 102 and 108 brakes???

1/ In my experience with the 97 and 108, yes.

2/ yeah that’ll work. Maybe a tiny bit of bending for the 102.

@Mottn that’s weird because my 97 is 97mm I had to bend them a little to fit my 99mm ski

[MottN]

Its possible that what I ordered as a 93mm was actually shipped as 97mm. That would be consistent with ~2mm over and needing a very slight bend on a 97mm to fit a 99mm ski.

[meter-man]

Man, ATK models are hard to keep track of.

I understand that ATK was changing one of their bindings (FR16?) for 21/22 to match the higher toe/reduced stack of the Voyager. I have the Voyager and love those and much prefer the flatter ramp.

What is the ATK binding that is equivalent to the Voyager? Only the FR16?

[Benneke10]

Man, ATK models are hard to keep track of.

I understand that ATK was changing one of their bindings (FR16?) for 21/22 to match the higher toe/reduced stack of the Voyager. I have the Voyager and love those and much prefer the flatter ramp.

What is the ATK binding that is equivalent to the Voyager? Only the FR16?

All of the Raiders/Freeraiders have the same toe this year, which has ~11mm ramp in stock configuration. The FR16, however, includes the new AL12 shim stock, which raises the toe height 4mm and is optional. The other bindings do not include the shim stock but you can buy it aftermarket https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...2-pro-toe-shim

I linked the Hagan site since they are charging $40 but currently out of stock. Other sites are charging $70 for the shim which is nuts. The shim is compatible with all Raider and C-Raider toe pieces (and the C-Crest, available in Yurp).

[AKbruin]

I've now got about a dozen days on my ATK Raider 12, and I've been generally pleased with them. They're not particularly fiddly and haven't had any premature ejection problems. But I've found the heel risers to be annoying as hell in any kind of undulating, schwacky terrain. I want to be in flat mode, but the two heel risers keep inadvertently flipping over so that I'm in max climb mode. It was happening every couple minutes for 45-minutes during a recent schwacky approach to my great annoyance. Anybody else have this issue or, better yet, a DIY fix?

Apologies if this topic has been discussed to death in these 55 pages.

[Wapow]

LOL. I posted the same issue a couple months ago upthread. You have to push the lifters down a little and the lower one will seat in the pins. Pretty clever design.

[Westcoaster]

I've now got about a dozen days on my ATK Raider 12, and I've been generally pleased with them. They're not particularly fiddly and haven't had any premature ejection problems. But I've found the heel risers to be annoying as hell in any kind of undulating, schwacky terrain. I want to be in flat mode, but the two heel risers keep inadvertently flipping over so that I'm in max climb mode. It was happening every couple minutes for 45-minutes during a recent schwacky approach to my great annoyance. Anybody else have this issue or, better yet, a DIY fix?

Apologies if this topic has been discussed to death in these 55 pages.

I have never had a riser flip when first properly seated in the pins.

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

LOL. I posted the same issue a couple months ago upthread. You have to push the lifters down a little and the lower one will seat in the pins. Pretty clever design.

Ha. I posted the same issue in 2020

[Westcoaster]

Speaking of, anyone have a set of 108 atk raider/fr14 brakes they would like to part with? went brakeless on fr14 but think I would like to go brakes next season.

[meter-man]

Whatcha running the Raiders on AKB?

I've now got about a dozen days on my ATK Raider 12, and I've been generally pleased with them. They're not particularly fiddly and haven't had any premature ejection problems. But I've found the heel risers to be annoying as hell in any kind of undulating, schwacky terrain. I want to be in flat mode, but the two heel risers keep inadvertently flipping over so that I'm in max climb mode. It was happening every couple minutes for 45-minutes during a recent schwacky approach to my great annoyance. Anybody else have this issue or, better yet, a DIY fix?

Apologies if this topic has been discussed to death in these 55 pages.

Guys...he's a total punter. Rookie tech binding user.

LOL. I posted the same issue a couple months ago upthread. You have to push the lifters down a little and the lower one will seat in the pins. Pretty clever design.

I have never had a riser flip when first properly seated in the pins.

Ha. I posted the same issue in 2020

Thanks for the comment Benneke on the shim thingie. I found these FR16s, which suggests it's stock on that model now. https://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/binding/atk-fr16-2022

[Benneke10]

If you're in the market for FR16 I think these are the cheapest out there https://www.oliunid.com/atk-freeraid...alpinismo.html

[Beder]

These guys are still on duty while the rest are waxed and put away until next season.
Voyager 12 and FR 14 with aftermarket shim.



Just got another FR 14 from Snowcountry.eu. They had an Easter sale last week. $472 shipped and delivered in 5 days.
And thanks Benneke10 I signed up with Hagen for the shim.


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[rudy]

I've now got about a dozen days on my ATK Raider 12, and I've been generally pleased with them. They're not particularly fiddly and haven't had any premature ejection problems. But I've found the heel risers to be annoying as hell in any kind of undulating, schwacky terrain. I want to be in flat mode, but the two heel risers keep inadvertently flipping over so that I'm in max climb mode. It was happening every couple minutes for 45-minutes during a recent schwacky approach to my great annoyance. Anybody else have this issue or, better yet, a DIY fix?

Apologies if this topic has been discussed to death in these 55 pages.

So glad you posted this as this past weekend was my maiden voyage with mine and had the same issue and totally forgot to ask. Sounds like we have quite a bit of company...

[auvgeek]

I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on the FR14 soon. I don't think I need the 16 -- the highest I ever run inbounds is 13-14.

Does anyone know if there's difference between these two links? Specifically: are they the same model hole pattern? The first link has the brake size I want, but I can order new brakes if the second link is a newer model. I'd like to reserve the option of upgrading to the EVO without having to redrill after the EVO is tested for a season or two.

1. https://www.oliunid.com/atk-fr14-att...pinismo-1.html

2. https://www.oliunid.com/equipment/at...-bindings.html

[Nerd out]
I'll probably use some Ski Trab toes because I like their retention. If skimoco's binding pin heights are right:

FR Heels (skimoco): 43 mm
FR Toes (skimoco): 31.5 mm; delta = 11.5 mm
FR16 Toes (FR14+4 mm shim) = 35.5; delta = 7.5 mm
Ski Trab vario.2 toes (skimoco): 35.5; delta = 7.5 mm

Does anyone know differently? It's not clear that skimoco's measured "FR" heights are the latest gen.

I've skied the SSL 2.0 heel (36mm) and Speed Rad toe (29mm) a whole lot with a 7mm delta. I'm pretty sure the boot board in my touring boots is flatter than my alpine boots because I don't feel like I need less ramp angle.

[/nerd out]

[Benneke10]

It looks like the link with the 108mm brakes has the mount pattern from a year or two ago when Dynafit sued them and they had to temporarily change the toe mount from a rectangle to a trapezoid, and the one with 102mm brakes has the standard rectangle toe mount. Might be worth writing them an email to confirm.

[cat in january]

I thought after all was said and done only the c-raider toe was changed because they were subbing it out and too late in production cycle to change. Just going from memory

[Benneke10]

There are some trapezoid metal raider toes floating around, look closely at the photos in the link

[altacoup]

Anyone know if the freeride spacer fits the ATK Kuluar 12?


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