Official ATK Binding Thread

[NorCalNomad]

I've got the 22/23 ATK catalogue as a 12mb pdf on my laptop so if someone can tell me how to post a link to it then I will.

Upload to either issuu or google

[Spyderjon]

22/23 catalogue here: https://issuu.com/thepisteoffice/doc...eng_europe_low

[jacob_dbu]

So it looks like the Raider Evo has the new autobrake. But I'm confused how it works - you turn the heel piece and it holds the brake up, but the Raider series allows you to use lifters with the heelpiece in normal or 180 deg. Also adjustable toe release, that's awesome!

[Beder]

Thanks Spyderjon.

So the difference between Raider 11/13 Evo and the Freeraider 15 Evo is the release values, and the 15 comes with freeride spacer included?

Sign me up for the 13 in Black! Add a spacer and toe shim please.

[billyhoyle]

Whoah, the new Raider EVO models in that catalogue have some improvements. Adjustable toe release (???), automatic brake - no more push button. You lock the brake by rotating the heel...like og radicals I guess? Thanks for posting.

Received a pair of C-Raiders in the mail today thanks to Spyderjon! Highly recommend his shop.

Bindings are sexy too...can't wait to get out on them.

[Jonathan S.]

22/23 catalogue here: https://issuu.com/thepisteoffice/doc...eng_europe_low

Three dozen models! Plus probably about a couple dozen rebranded models. This thread is sure to continue to be active into the 2022-23 season!

[billyhoyle]

Well the C-Raider stated weight is consistent with the Raider 12 stated weight (i.e. about 20 grams low). Toe weighs 93g, heel (with brake) 230g, crampon clip is 7g for a grand total of 330g with brakes and crampon clip (stated total weight of 305g). No screws in these weights. Brakes are 46g, same as the R12.

Raider 12 stated weight is 335, but Blister measured it at 352g (it doesn't say explicitly, but this must be without screws). The Raider 12 toe is 124g according to Blister, so ATK did indeed shave some weight with the plastic infused carbon.

If you're trying to hit a weight loss goal I would recommend getting an italian scale =D

[CirqueScaler]

My only complaint on the Trofeo is that I really dislike the silver color on the current gen. Disappointed to see they have not changed those. I liked the all black + green much much better.

Tempted to get the World Cups. Jonathan, do you think they are as robust as the Trofeo or no?

[Jonathan S.]

[...]Tempted to get the World Cups. Jonathan, do you think they are as robust as the Trofeo or no?

Comparing my pairs side-to-side, the differences are relatively subtle. And for people who weigh about what you and I do, I don't think whatever the add'l robustness of the Trofeo might be would matter.
I went with the (rebranded) Trofeo a couple years ago (on a non-race setup) b/c frequently replacing the Ti springs on race bindings gets old after awhile (whether on my Hagan/ATK race bindings or my older Dynafit LTR 1.0 and Plum 135 bindings). But now that the WC comes with the rolling-in springs that have the steel inserts, I would mount all my future setups with the Hagan/ATK race binding.
(The Trofeo does have the higher heel elevator position, but the one time that would have come in handy, I totally forgot I had that option, whoops!)

[Spyderjon]

Re the new 22/23 Evo models. Production is going to be limited to about 15-20% of the Raider models and retailers can only order in that ratio so I'd recommend pre-ordering. ATK's new factory doesn't come on stream for another year or two and they're at capacity until then. And the Raider Evo has the same mounting pattern as the regular Raiders.

[glademaster]

And here's the friendly PSA that the first three rules of tech bindings are as follows:

1. Don't buy a first year product
2. Always cycle your toe pins while transitioning to ski mode
3. Don't buy a second year product

I'm stoked to get some 24/25 model year FR15 Evo's, but I wouldn't ski those things if someone gave them to me before then.

ETA: Someone needs to shake these lying Dagos until they start posting accurate weights for their products. Their lying with regards to weight is enough to make me never buy another set of their bindings, regardless of how they perform. If I'm going to pay a premium to be lied to, I'm going to get an Eliot Spitzer grade escort to say she loves me while she blows me, not a pair of bindings.

[tang]

^^^ on the new Evo...
spyderjon - The square toe mount pattern, or trapezoid? Either way, good that not a new-new mount pattern!
I actually like the brake button, and that you don't need to spin the heel when doing quick laps
My one pair (FR14s) weighed-in right at the spec weight. Maybe I got lucky?

[Spyderjon]

^^^ on the new Evo...
spyderjon - The square toe mount pattern, or trapezoid? Either way, good that not a new-new mount pattern!
I actually like the brake button, and that you don't need to spin the heel when doing quick laps
My one pair (FR14s) weighed-in right at the spec weight. Maybe I got lucky?

Square

[rfconroy]

Unrelated to current convo, but found myself needing to set gap distance on my Voyagers this weekend so I mocked up this tool over the weekend. Figure other mags might also want it, since its a little more ergonomic than a 4mm hex.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5256765

[tang]

Square

Excellent

[NorCalNomad]

2. Always cycle your toe pins while transitioning to ski mode.

Don't click out of your skis to transition and you never have to do this You don't even have to have race skins

[Spyderjon]

I just lay a 4mm drill bit across the pins.

[jacob_dbu]

I just lay a 4mm drill bit across the pins.

I use a 4mm spacer that came with some MTNs I had

[timmaio]

And here's the friendly PSA that the first three rules of tech bindings are as follows:

1. Don't buy a first year product
2. Always cycle your toe pins while transitioning to ski mode
3. Don't buy a second year product

I'm stoked to get some 24/25 model year FR15 Evo's, but I wouldn't ski those things if someone gave them to me before then.

ETA: Someone needs to shake these lying Dagos until they start posting accurate weights for their products. Their lying with regards to weight is enough to make me never buy another set of their bindings, regardless of how they perform. If I'm going to pay a premium to be lied to, I'm going to get an Eliot Spitzer grade escort to say she loves me while she blows me, not a pair of bindings.

Meh, as far as I have seen the weight is accurate if weighed without screws. Maybe other binding manufacturers provide weight with screws, IDK.

[Falcon3]

Can somebody with access to the Haute Route confirm pin height for me?

I’m on a Crest (11.5mm delta) and even with my 6mm toe shim, I’m at a 5.5mm toe to heel. I’d like to get that under 1mm.

The Skimo.com site shows the Haute Route at a 6.5mm delta toe to heel, but I’m not 100% sure that’s including the adjustment plate. Thanks in advance!

[Climbers Right]

Can somebody with access to the Haute Route confirm pin height for me?

I’m on a Crest (11.5mm delta) and even with my 6mm toe shim, I’m at a 5.5mm toe to heel. I’d like to get that under 1mm.

The Skimo.com site shows the Haute Route at a 6.5mm delta toe to heel, but I’m not 100% sure that’s including the adjustment plate. Thanks in advance!

I'm measuring 6.4 with the plate on mine top sheet to bottom of pins, no boot, in ski mode. I'd trust the 6.5
I ski the crest with a 4.7 shim and they feel practically the same

[tdpdx]

Really frustrated with my Crest 10s.

I’ve been able to ski everything from shark fin ice to airing pow landings and they’ve worked great.

This weekend though I was on a tour and making a turn on hard compact snow when it suddenly turned to ice. I put a little extra English on the edge to gain control from the sliding action on the new icy surface and the entire ski just popped off. It didn’t feel like a pre-release issue from pressure at the heel (skis are Deathwish Tours that feel very stiff to me and shouldn’t have put too much pressure on the toe), it felt like the torque from the turn of my 112-waist skis just wrenched the toe piece off.

Ok. Maybe I was just skiing the toe a little too hard. Put the ski back on after arresting my slide.

Got a ways down the slope and took a couple turns on a 45ish degree slope.

Downhill ski pops off again in the same fashion. I transfer weight to my other ski to try to stay upright, it also pops off. Now I’m sliding down an ice slope toward a rock outcropping. Wtf.

I skied the rest of the day with toes locked. Both failures just felt like the ski torqued the bindings out of the boots.

There were no toe icing issues at the time. My binding pins and boots appear to be in good condition. Heel gap is set perfectly per the ATK guide that came with the bindings. Rearward spring of the heel piece seems to work fine.

Any ideas? I’m only 200 pounds and skiing 184 touring skis. I’m not going Mach and tend to ski slow and conservative in the BC.

Digging up an old post as I'm looking at buying a pair of Crest 10s. I'm a bit bigger than this guy and was planning on slapping the Crests on a pair of Ravens. I have clown feet and run Pivots at DIN 8 with zero problems.

I thought the Crest 10s would work for me at an RV of 8-10 but it sounds like maybe not? Is there something about this toe piece that sucks with wide skis + big bois or is this just a pin toe problem in general?

[Falcon3]

Digging up an old post as I'm looking at buying a pair of Crest 10s. I'm a bit bigger than this guy and was planning on slapping the Crests on a pair of Ravens. I have clown feet and run Pivots at DIN 8 with zero problems.

I thought the Crest 10s would work for me at an RV of 8-10 but it sounds like maybe not? Is there something about this toe piece that sucks with wide skis + big bois or is this just a pin toe problem in general?

That was me.
Ravens are only 104 waist? I was on DWT at 112 so a big difference there with the lever arm to torque out of the bindings.

I think I’m general this is just a pin toe issue. ATK seems to be middle of the road when it comes to the force required to twist out of the pins (way above Dynafit but below Plum and the MTN on WildSnow’s toe testing).

[tdpdx]

Talked to Hagan and all I got was, "DIN is not comparable to RV". So I guess I need to ask you guys.

I'm 6' 1" 220 lbs with a BSL of 350; what RV should I be aiming for with these bindings?

Seems like they tend to release quite a bit lower than the advertised RV when compared to something like ski trab.

[tdpdx]

That was me.
Ravens are only 104 waist? I was on DWT at 112 so a big difference there with the lever arm to torque out of the bindings.

I think I’m general this is just a pin toe issue. ATK seems to be middle of the road when it comes to the force required to twist out of the pins (way above Dynafit but below Plum and the MTN on WildSnow’s toe testing).

Yeah, they're only 104, but I have 20 pounds on you so I thought it would be comparable.

I didn't know about the wildsnow testing, gonna go take a look.

What did you end up doing to solve your issue?