Official ATK Binding Thread

[zion zig zag]

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Check your Freeride spacer - (according to the manual) in order to avoid prereleases you need at least 1mm clearance and I do recommend to verify it with a feeler gauge.

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Ok this is interesting. Everything I found online said enough space to pull out a piece of paper, but 1mm is more like a standard credit card. I&#39;m going to dig into the manual and see if I need to take a shim out.</p>

[zion zig zag]

The only thing I can find, including in the downloadable online manual is this blurb on Hagans' site:
Set the micro-height adjustment so that you can slide a sheet of paper between your boot sole and the top of the freeride spacers when your boot is clipped into the binding but unweighted. When you are in your boots, your bodyweight will create a solid connection with the spacers without putting too much pressure on them.

[Westcoaster]

Ok this is interesting. Everything I found online said enough space to pull out a piece of paper, but 1mm is more like a standard credit card. I&#39;m going to dig into the manual and see if I need to take a shim out.

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How old are your boots?

[aanev]

The quote is from the paper instruction that came with the freeride spacer. I haven't found it online.

[zion zig zag]

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p How old are your boots?

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Almost a year. 20-30 days?</p>

[Westcoaster]

Ok this is interesting. Everything I found online said enough space to pull out a piece of paper, but 1mm is more like a standard credit card. I&#39;m going to dig into the manual and see if I need to take a shim out.

do some dryland releases on some carpet, should be fairly obvious if theres an RV anomaly.

[~mikey b]

as much as I love Tech Talk there comes a point where you should take yer shit to a ski shop and have a tech look at it

[~mikey b]

oh and FYI

Alpenglow Sports in Tahoe City has a few pair of Hy 13 Free in stock

[aanev]

Atk freeride spacer manual (trying to attach an image): ChatGPT Ocr: 1) HOW TO INSTALL THE &ldquo;AL13&rdquo; SPACER ON THE BINDINGS A. If the heel part is already fixed to the ski, remove it. If the binding has not been installed yet, move to step &ldquo;B&rdquo;. B. Remove the additional spacer installed on the heel part. C. Match the spacer with its seat on the heel part, as shown here below. (Illustration of spacer installation) D. Proceed with the regular installation of the binding. 2) HOW TO SET THE SPACER IN COMBINATION WITH A BOOT. E. The sliding pads are always installed on the spacer (PICT.1) and these do not show any additional spacer. The use of additional spacers will be necessary with the most of the boot-binding combinations. F. Fully hook the boot to the binding and check the pads-sole distance. (PICT.2) G. Remove the boot from the binding. H. Remove the holding screws from the top of the two pads. (PICT.3) I. Remove both the pads. (PICT.4) J. Select the proper combination of additional spacers to obtain the proper section increase and erase the free space in between the boot sole and the pads. (available additional spacer: (2x0,6 mm, 2x1,2 mm, 2x2,4 mm) (FIG.5) ?? WARNING! An excessive interference between the spacer and the boot sole might create an undesired tension on the vertical release system, with possible pre-releases. Never reach an interference higher than 1mm.

[rod9301]

Check your Freeride spacer - (according to the manual) in order to avoid prereleases you need at least 1mm clearance and I do recommend to verify it with a feeler gauge.

He did check.

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[mr_pretzel]

Based on the manual it’s the opposite, you can have 1mm extra height, or can I not read.

Erase free space, no interference(i.e. touching) higher than 1mm.

[aanev]

IMHO: Never reach an interference higher than 1mm. == Never reach a gap lower than 1mm.

Initially I didn`t read the manual carefully and set it to _almost touching_ (paper thin gap). That lead to a nasty mid-turn prerelease that sent me into the trees ( only minor bruises luckily ).

I searched for addtional information and finally I found some in ze German forums. Then I read carefully the manual and set the gap to 1.2mm. No issues since then and since the Freeride spacer is optional, bigger gap should be OK.

P.S. ``A month in the laboratory can often save an hour in the library.`` - Frank Westheimer

[zion zig zag]

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Based on the manual it&rsquo;s the opposite, you can have 1mm extra height, or can I not read. Erase free space, no interference(i.e. touching) higher than 1mm.

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That&#39;s the way it reads to me, but it could all be in translation. 1mm gap certainly seems like the safe play though. I&#39;d be curious to see if the boot sole touches the spacer while weighted with a 1mm gap.&nbsp;</p>

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since the Freeride spacer is optional, bigger gap should be OK.

This where my brain was as I was reading along…but kept my thoughts to myself since I’m no tech expert

[zion zig zag]

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This where my brain was as I was reading along&hellip;but kept my thoughts to myself since I&rsquo;m no tech expert

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I mean yeah, bigger gap would definitely be ok, but at some point it doesnt make sense to have it installed. If its not supporting the boot sole then why deal with the hasssle of clearing snow and ice and having the extra weight. Seems like ATK should be more clear on what that gap spec is.&nbsp;</p>

[aanev]

Just tested it:

If you put some weight, the boot starts to touch the FR spacer. (with 1.2mm gap)
Additionally, when torsional force is applied it needs less weight to touch the respective side.

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I mean yeah, bigger gap would definitely be ok, but at some point it doesnt make sense to have it installed. If its not supporting the boot sole then why deal with the hasssle of clearing snow and ice and having the extra weight. Seems like ATK should be more clear on what that gap spec is

Not sure clearing snow is such a big issue in my experience thus far given the boot-sole-to-spacer differential of surface area.
The bottoming out even if three or four mm of space is still not going to be that noticeable imho. I get that minimizing the gap creates a quicker transition to the support, but, really, that bottoming out is what gives this binding the sense of solidness underfoot. So not a waste of extra weight at all…
/twocents
agree that the published install sheet could be better

[~mikey b]

mounted some RT 11 EVO for my housemate’s new BD Impulse 104

very sweet looking binding




320 grams!

[CaliBrit]

The spec reads you can have up to 1mm interference. Like if it is not quite touching and you add the 0.6mm and it is then you are golden.

[mr_pretzel]

That's how I read it too

[aanev]

How do you interpret the following sentence then:
``An excessive interference between the spacer and the boot sole might create an undesired tension on the vertical release system, with possible pre-releases.``

How would bigger gap with an _OPTIONAL_ spacer create ``undesired tension``?

Edit: just wrote an email to ATK.

Edit2: This is the final part of the instruction in Italian: ``? ATTENZIONE! Una interferenza eccessiva tra lo spacer e la suola dello scarpone potrebbe comportare un pretensionamento dannoso del sistema di sgancio verticale, con possibili sganci indesiderati. Si consiglia di non superare 1 mm di precarico tra spacer e suola.``

This is chatGPT translation: ``? WARNING! Excessive interference between the spacer and the boot sole could cause harmful pre-tensioning of the vertical release system, potentially resulting in unintended releases. It is recommended not to exceed 1 mm of preload between the spacer and the sole.``

[aanev]

And this is the reply from ATK:

``Thank you for getting in touch with our Support Team and choosing ATK BINDINGS&reg;!

I suggest to leave the space of a sheet of paper between boot and sole.

With your weight the boots will be perfectly in touch with the spacer.``

[NBABUCKS1]

I have an FR 14 toe piece that is refusing to open up without a crazy amount of pressure being put on the toe piece. As in I have to stand with 200 lbs of force to open the toe piece up to put my boot in. It's not frozen and I can't identify any debris in it nor any parts that are bent.Any solutions or ideas?

[~mikey b]

take it to a shop where they can tear it apart and look at it

[NBABUCKS1]

looks like i'm headed to skimoco on wed. Thanks!