Official ATK Binding Thread

[fleaches]

So there was a bit of banter in the past, but besides the 5 position heal riser megneto-neeto-wiz-bang-thingy what is the downside to the Crest 10? Assuming one doesn't need 12 or 14 din? Just thinking that is a pretty attractive binder, all metal, kinks worked out at this point, rather cost effective... Thoughts?

I've got a pair and like then. Depending on your boots/ankle flexibility the lower risers might be an issue but otherwise great value, it's what I have been telling my new-to-touring friends to get.

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[Spyderjon]

Man if you can I am 100% in for a pair. Thank you!!

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tgapp, I can get pair of Release 10's added to my order for you. I've PM'd you the details.

[random_watcher]

The UK market is keen on having brakes and the Alpinist 9/12's and the Superlite 175's are a lot cheaper for the brakeless market so I didn't order any Release 10's.

I still don't quite get the obsession with brakes here in the UK, it would be nice if ATK offered something like a Haute Route with the heel tower of a Crest. Something without a brake, adjustable vertical release and price point to be competitive with things like an Alpinist.

[Eluder]

I still don't quite get the obsession with brakes here in the UK, it would be nice if ATK offered something like a Haute Route with the heel tower of a Crest. Something without a brake, adjustable vertical release and price point to be competitive with things like an Alpinist.

The Haut Route is just what you are asking for is it not?

[tgapp]

The Haut Route is just what you are asking for is it not?

what he's asking for is literally the Release 10. The HR10 and the release10 have different heel towers; the crest10 and the release10 have the same ones (ie, 10mm of forward pressure).

this is what i'm ordering from SpyderJon.

[random_watcher]

what he's asking for is literally the Release 10. The HR10 and the release10 have different heel towers; the crest10 and the release10 have the same ones (ie, 10mm of forward pressure).

this is what i'm ordering from SpyderJon.

You're right, I was looking at the current ones listed on the website, have just looked at the 20/21 workbook and that is exactly what I was describing.

[galibier_numero_un]

So, it's the elastic response feature you guys are after.

I notice a lot of things, but the Haute Route / Helio 200 has checked all of the boxes for me.

Maybe I'd notice the ERS in refrozen Spring conditions. Dunno ...

My skis mounted for those conditions have Plum Guides on them, so it's hard to generalize.

The way I see it, you burn through the pin spacing (4mm) before the travel kicks in. I would have loved to have skied my RT10s this Spring to test the theory out, but the apocalypse intervened.

... Thom

[comish]

So what’s the downside to the five position heel riser thing?

None. It's mo-better as far as I'm concerned, but it's not on the Crest. You gotta step up to the higher $$$ bindings to get it. Just wondering if I'm missing anything else besides that on the Crest. I think I can make the 3 position riser work on the Crest and save some $$$. Looks like everything else is pretty solid.

[plugboots]

None. It's mo-better as far as I'm concerned, but it's not on the Crest. You gotta step up to the higher $$$ bindings to get it. Just wondering if I'm missing anything else besides that on the Crest. I think I can make the 3 position riser work on the Crest and save some $$$. Looks like everything else is pretty solid.

You undoubtedly will get the 3 position to work. I have the 5 position, and typically I start in flat mode, flip up one riser, flip up the next riser, then at the top turn the heel and lock in, pull skins, etc. I usually don't use the 2 other positions.

[galibier_numero_un]

You undoubtedly will get the 3 position to work. I have the 5 position, and typically I start in flat mode, flip up one riser, flip up the next riser, then at the top turn the heel and lock in, pull skins, etc. I usually don't use the 2 other positions.

The point about the 180 degree rotation is about getting the flat position in addition to the two height options.

With the double flippy (Raider, etc.), think of the pin forward position as being medium and high, and the 180 degree rotation (pins to the rear) as being flat, medium and high. In that sense, it's not 5 positions (even though when rotated, the flippys aren't the exact, same height to the mm).

With a single flippy (Crest, etc.), it's medium height (pins forward) and flat and medium with heel rotated 180.

... Thom

[tgapp]

The point about the 180 degree rotation is about getting the flat position in addition to the two height options.

With the double flippy (Raider, etc.), think of the pin forward position as being medium and high, and the 180 degree rotation (pins to the rear) as being flat, medium and high. In that sense, it's not 5 positions (even though when rotated, the flippys aren't the exact, same height to the mm).

With a single flippy (Crest, etc.), it's medium height (pins forward) and flat and medium with heel rotated 180.

... Thom

also unless you are skiing on ca. 2005 Garmont Radium's, any modern boot has good enough ROM that you really don't need those 32 risers as much as you think you do. no, seriously - try it. just spend a whole day skinning on the "flappy over pins" level, if for no other reason, than as an exercise in monastic discipline.

unless the skinner is completely fucked, or unless you have MILES of flat walkin, you are going to be fine. seriously. 3 flappies, 5 flappies, whatever. the ATK system is cool, super easy to use, but for 95% of my skinning (which is a lot of skinning), i just set the flappy to be over the pins and get to walking.

messing with your risers is a little like asking "are we there yet" on your family's annual 12 hour pilgrimage to disneyland: it doesn't make the journey any faster, but i guess it gives you something to do to pass the time.

[galibier_numero_un]

also unless you are skiing on ca. 2005 Garmont Radium's, any modern boot has good enough ROM that you really don't need those 32 risers as much as you think you do. no, seriously - try it. just spend a whole day skinning on the "flappy over pins" level, if for no other reason, than as an exercise in monastic discipline.

unless the skinner is completely fucked, or unless you have MILES of flat walkin, you are going to be fine. seriously. 3 flappies, 5 flappies, whatever. the ATK system is cool, super easy to use, but for 95% of my skinning (which is a lot of skinning), i just set the flappy to be over the pins and get to walking.

messing with your risers is a little like asking "are we there yet" on your family's annual 12 hour pilgrimage to disneyland: it doesn't make the journey any faster, but i guess it gives you something to do to pass the time.

I'd generally agree, were it not for a tight, right Achilles tendon from a broken ankle along with reduced range of motion (climbing fall).

If I know where I'm headed, and there's a possibility of having to hop over logs, I'll rotate my heels at the beginning of the tour, so I can use flat mode when hopping down off of a log (less stress on the flippys). Otherwise, yeah ... flippy over the heel and on with it.

So ... is it flippy or flappy

... Thom

[Norseman]

it's hoppy floppy, thom.

[Norseman]

let the Monks of the Skintrack dedicate themselves to the celebration and study of the great Low-Angle Skintrack of Monastic Discipline. Zen Witch of the Uphill Realm, Chief Architect of the Great Pintech Era Before Global Warming Really Sucked.

If the resorts are fucked up this year, maybe we can do some sort of touring nerd sociallydistanced mag mini on a volcano or something.

[tgapp]

I'd generally agree, were it not for a tight, right Achilles tendon from a broken ankle along with reduced range of motion (climbing fall).

If I know where I'm headed, and there's a possibility of having to hop over logs, I'll rotate my heels at the beginning of the tour, so I can use flat mode when hopping down off of a log (less stress on the flippys). Otherwise, yeah ... flippy over the heel and on with it.

So ... is it flippy or flappy

... Thom

Fair fair Thom - and I wasn't trying to make a dig at you in the slightest . You get a badass injury gimp pass.

I just think that - for a certain segment of ski tourers, if there was a 9-riser binding that came out, they would all of a sudden start asking why anyone would even bother skiing on a piddly 5-riser binding.

let the Monks of the Skintrack dedicate themselves to the celebration and study of the great Low-Angle Skintrack of Monastic Discipline. Zen Witch of the Uphill Realm, Chief Architect of the Great Pintech Era Before Global Warming Really Sucked.

If the resorts are fucked up this year, maybe we can do some sort of touring nerd sociallydistanced mag mini on a volcano or something.

yep, also another argument for moderation in all floppy things. if there was a nth riser position you goddamn better believe that we'd start to see skinners going right up the gut of known slidepaths. can't do that with the gospel of low 'n slow.

also i'd be so game for a volcano meetup. i'd planned on skiing baker via the n ridge before the shit hit the fan, but here we are...

[steveski]

let the Monks of the Skintrack dedicate themselves to the celebration and study of the great Low-Angle Skintrack of Monastic Discipline. Zen Witch of the Uphill Realm, Chief Architect of the Great Pintech Era Before Global Warming Really Sucked.

If the resorts are fucked up this year, maybe we can do some sort of touring nerd sociallydistanced mag mini on a volcano or something.

That is much too real worldly an idea for this space, Norse. Therefore I am in. Some backcountry mag gatherings would be a much needed boost to morale.

[galibier_numero_un]

Fair fair Thom - and I wasn't trying to make a dig at you in the slightest . You get a badass injury gimp pass.

I just think that - for a certain segment of ski tourers, if there was a 9-riser binding that came out, they would all of a sudden start asking why anyone would even bother skiing on a piddly 5-riser binding.

yep, also another argument for moderation in all floppy things. if there was a nth riser position you goddamn better believe that we'd start to see skinners going right up the gut of known slidepaths. can't do that with the gospel of low 'n slow.

also i'd be so game for a volcano meetup. i'd planned on skiing baker via the n ridge before the shit hit the fan, but here we are...

I totally get it. One of my ankles flexes just fine. Good thing that around these parts, there aren't too many Wasatch skin tracks, otherwise I'd really be whining ;-)

Sidebar ... it's really 3 positions (not 5). The 2 pin-forward ones are replicated when you spin the heel 180.

What really amazes me is how high the single riser on the Shift is, but that's a whole 'nuther story (and I've heard folks bitch about that).

... Thom

[PowChaser406]

Hey everyone. First time postng in this thread and am looking at revamping my AT setup for this season. I originally was leaning towards the G3 Ions but the new BD Helio 350's are intriguing. I emailed BD to see if it comes with a spacer but haven't heard back yet. The online manual states the model as "C-R12". Which ATK would this translate to? Thoughts on the BD model?

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[Benneke10]

It is the ATK C-Raider 12. Its not on their site yet but its in the workbook linked below and they have a video on it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPT0jWzazqE

The Helio 350 uses the C-Raider heel and a monolink toe, so its not the same exact binding. I think we are all wondering why BD specs the Helio 350 at 350g and ATK specs the C-Raider 12 at 305g. If anything the BD should be lighter with the monolink toe.

[cat in january]

So first world problems surfacing here. I have a one time coupon for BD so looking at either the 200 or the 350. The brake is a weak plus for the 350 as I have skied leashes for a long time. The extra flippers are nice as I am coming off a broken knee and anything that can help is appreciated. These alone are not enough incentive to go for the 350 over the 200.

Does the brake take the place of the stomp pad on the 350?

Can I use a stomp pad on the 200 and have it ski almost as well as the 350?

Will I notice/will it be safer to have the 10mm of travel in the 350? Note, I have Vipecs and I feel they ski noticeably better than my speed turn 2. How much this is due to support of the brake pad, elastic travel in the heel or the toes I could not say.

Looks like brake removal is pretty easy on the 350. If it is a net loss of say 70g with a leash added and if the weights are closer to 300g of the C-raider 12 mentioned above seems the 350 is a better buy for me. Bindings will initially be mounted to Down ld90, but good chance I would put inserts in to swap between skis in the future.

[cat in january]

Looks like you can get the Helio 350 for $450 with 15% coupon for first time buyers.

The helio LT200 is $360 and you can add the kit to make it the full Helio 200 for another $83

https://gear.com/collections/ski-gea...s-and-bindings

Edit: I have not tried the coupon with sale items, but does not say full price only. Double edit, found it excludes sale items

[muted]

How much for a non carbon R12 with a spacer Jon?

[Spyderjon]

How much for a non carbon R12 with a spacer Jon?

R12 = GBP414.00 inc FedEx/UPS shipping to main US conurbations. The Freeride Spacer is an extra GBP45.00. I'm stocking the C-Raider and not the Raider but I'm pretty sure I can get you a set. ATK's price structure is whack as it'd be cheaper to get a Freeraider 14 at GBP440.00 that includes the spacer.

[Benneke10]

I think I'm about to order my first pair of ATK bindings. I'm still deciding between the Hagan Pure, Helio 350 or ordering the RT 10 from Europe. All of these use the Monolink toe piece, and my question is: can you use B&D Classic toe shims to flatten out the ramp angle? I read on the Freeraider thread that some people made it work, but the skimo.co page says it doesn't work. If the B&D shims do not work with the monolink toes, are there any shims that will work? Please forgive me if this has been answered before, I've been searching but my skills are limited.

[galibier_numero_un]

I think I'm about to order my first pair of ATK bindings. I'm still deciding between the Hagan Pure, Helio 350 or ordering the RT 10 from Europe. All of these use the Monolink toe piece, and my question is: can you use B&D Classic toe shims to flatten out the ramp angle? I read on the Freeraider thread that some people made it work, but the skimo.co page says it doesn't work. If the B&D shims do not work with the monolink toes, are there any shims that will work? Please forgive me if this has been answered before, I've been searching but my skills are limited.

I haven't followed this closely, 'coz I roll my own. If you're moderately handy with tools, and you live in a mid-size or larger city in the US:

Find a plastic fabricator and ask them to let you go through their scrap bin. You should be able to find various thicknesses of UHMW (ultra high molecular weight polyethelyne) - cutting board material. A bit of cutting and drilling, and voila!

... Thom