Wasatch Dirt Thread

[Canada1]

When mountain trails was conceding the best section of mid mountain to the Colonies developers I had a member of their leadership team telling me how many more miles they were giving with the new cut across the face and the new climb to connect back to the historic mid mountain. More milage is not always a win.

My wife is right. I do hold onto grudges too long

[Boissal]

When mountain trails was conceding the best section of mid mountain to the Colonies developers I had a member of their leadership team telling me how many more miles they were giving with the new cut across the face and the new climb to connect back to the historic mid mountain. More milage is not always a win.

My wife is right. I do hold onto grudges too long

Does sounds like fairly ancient history. I've only ever known one section of MM going though the colony which is the current one. When did these shenanigans happen?

[Touring_Sedan]

Does sounds like fairly ancient history. I've only ever known one section of MM going though the colony which is the current one. When did these shenanigans happen?

I want to say it was sometime around 2010. MMT used to skip Iron Mountain. It was a lovey rip from a meadow down the last few miles of the MMT to Spiro. You can still see where the old trail used to be at the intersection of Armstrong and Pinecone.

[SJG]

I believe Colony said "no beaters in our neighborhood", so they re-routed MM to the East side of Iron Mtn. The old trail is there under new names, but most just follow the "Mid Mtn" signs and bypass the 1% neighborhood, not knowing the history.

The old trail was resurrected in part late last year (under a new name, of course), after having been 95% overgrown over the years.

[Boissal]

I believe Colony said "no beaters in our neighborhood", so they re-routed MM to the East side of Iron Mtn. The old trail is there under new names, but most just follow the "Mid Mtn" signs and bypass the 1% neighborhood, not knowing the history.

The old trail was resurrected in part late last year (under a new name, of course), after having been 95% overgrown over the years.

I assume we're talking about Iron Man to Goldfinger? Definitely much more pleasant that the section of MM that goes on the E side of Iron Mtn, that thing seemed built specifically to loosen teeth...
Had a bit of a scare yesterday coming out of Silver, 4 moose hanging out in the little parking lot, big male, 2 young males and a cow. There was some competition for the cow's attention and fortunately I was not perceived as another candidate cause the big bull was BIG and ornery...

[sfotex]

Someone was getting sendy at Brighton today and it didn't go so well..... they got flown off the mountain by Life Flight

[beaterdit]

Ooof not good. I assume on one of the unofficial trails. Hopefully the rider comes out ok. And the trails.

Heard a rumor yesterday at PCMR from a guy who helps one of the unofficial crews that Mountain Trails and PCMR are PISSED about all the pirate building. PCMR should know that local season pass holders are 100% there for the pirate trails but day tickets and activity sales no doubt vastly outweigh season pass revenue.

Hopefully all the trails survive and more.

[SJG]

well PCMR put this on themselves by NOT building anything other than brown sidewalks in the past 5yrs. That horse is out of the barn. Will be a tough course to reverse IMO.

[zion zig zag]

If any of the pirate trails builders want to send me a PM so I can ask some questions, that’d be ok. Not that anyone here would do such a thing, but….

[Phall]

My friend has a theory counter to Beaterdit’s comments, that mtf and pcmr were thinking of it like a Teton pass model. Let the pirate crews do all the work, then legalize some, close some and leave some. But I think he’s a bit more on point, the amount of folks that know about them is kinda wild, especially some of the folks I saw at the top of the yurt talking about em.


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[raisingarizona13]

My friend has a theory counter to Beaterdit’s comments, that mtf and pcmr were thinking of it like a Teton pass model. Let the pirate crews do all the work, then legalize some, close some and leave some. But I think he’s a bit more on point, the amount of folks that know about them is kinda wild, especially some of the folks I saw at the top of the yurt talking about em.


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Remy had a PC edit come out this past year. I don't have any idea what trails they were riding but they didn't look like any of the aforementioned, legal brown sidewalks.

[Canada1]

Boisal,

The trail used to run from where it connects to pinecone, directly across and through the flat to over by the Gondola and then tie into the long flowwy stuff through the evergreens. They added the drop down below the ridge, the scar across the front face to tie back into historic mid mountain and the colony sucks switchbacks which I think they called iron man. I had a bunch of give and take with them as I whined about what they were giving up. They went totally silent when I pointed out the presence of the old trail pre-dating the colonies and the existence of a constructive easement that I was willing to donate time to defend. It truly changed the then best trail in Park City, and was sold as "look at what we're giving you". It took away something special and replaced it with shit that will pop your tire built by a mini excavator. Mountain Trails looked at the Colonies as a historic partner and it was one time where Charlie went along when I think he should have battled.
Mountain Trails has done alot of good. I just have a burr under my saddle about this one. Because they didn't want the 15 million houses to have to be in the sight line of the public trail, they did this.

[Canada1]

Boisal,

The trail used to run from where it connects to pinecone, directly across and through the flat to over by the Gondola and then tie into the long flowwy stuff through the evergreens. They added the drop down below the ridge, the scar across the front face to tie back into historic mid mountain and the colony sucks switchbacks which I think they called iron man. I had a bunch of give and take with them as I whined about what they were giving up. They went totally silent when I pointed out the presence of the old trail pre-dating the colonies and the existence of a constructive easement that I was willing to donate time to defend. It truly changed the then best trail in Park City, and was sold as "look at what we're giving you". It took away something special and replaced it with shit that will pop your tire built by a mini excavator. Mountain Trails looked at the Colonies as a historic partner and it was one time where Charlie went along when I think he should have battled.
Mountain Trails has done alot of good. I just have a burr under my saddle about this one. Because they didn't want the 15 million dollar houses to have to be in the sight line of the public trail, they did this.

[Boissal]

Boisal,

The trail used to run from where it connects to pinecone, directly across and through the flat to over by the Gondola and then tie into the long flowwy stuff through the evergreens. They added the drop down below the ridge, the scar across the front face to tie back into historic mid mountain and the colony sucks switchbacks which I think they called iron man. I had a bunch of give and take with them as I whined about what they were giving up. They went totally silent when I pointed out the presence of the old trail pre-dating the colonies and the existence of a constructive easement that I was willing to donate time to defend. It truly changed the then best trail in Park City, and was sold as "look at what we're giving you". It took away something special and replaced it with shit that will pop your tire built by a mini excavator. Mountain Trails looked at the Colonies as a historic partner and it was one time where Charlie went along when I think he should have battled.
Mountain Trails has done alot of good. I just have a burr under my saddle about this one. Because they didn't want the 15 million dollar houses to have to be in the sight line of the public trail, they did this.

Oh I see, thanks for clarifying. Interestingly enough the old trail still shows up on Caltopo and is visible in sat images, it pops out in some mansions backyard, would have been right by their elevated curving driveway.
Bit of a weird deal considering you get to look into everyone's house when when you crest the ridge on the new trail, you just happen to be on the other side of the little pass.

[brutah]

Speaking of lost trails, sounds like the flagstaff loop is done as a road has been built in the meadow. Not 100% sure as I haven’t been up that way this season. Would be a bummer if true as that area was just a nice ride through aspens and sage. Anyone have more info?

I rode the new spin cycle ecosystem trails over the weekend. (Rinse cycle, humdinger and Rory) the directional dh Rory was pretty fun, maybe not super gnar but a nice addition imo. Rinse and humdinger are multi-directional are pretty blah. Spin cycle got cleaned up with the installation of more bridges than I could count, but the end puts you at the jordanelle base and seems like the deer crest neighborhood may be moving to close their roads to bikers. I had to get home for a soccer game so I hiked to exit where you normally would and the rode the closed village trail which had a new hotel being built in the middle of it. While the new trails are nice it would be a bummer to lose the old access in that area. Not sure what’s going on…


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[SJG]

I rode Deer Camp and Flagstaff yesterday, and was pretty normal except crossing the new road. Took 30sec off the bike to safely navigate, unrideable (safely) drop on North side of road. No biggie. Flagstaff had a new road which wasn't there last year either, but that was a totally uneventful crossing to get to Rambo.

I'm curious (this is a ski issue too) how things are going to play out with Snow Park parking lot being removed and a village put in it's place. 0 parking. Not sure what that does to things. Maybe build some parking lots at the Mayflower side? Maybe the Spin Cycle improvements are a sign that they are going to open THAT lift and provide some parking down there? IDK.

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[Dantheman]

RIP: https://www.ksl.com/article/51142373...iking-accident

I thought this might be the Brighton guy sfotex posted about, but the article and the GoFundMe say this crash happened Sep. 12. Location was not disclosed.

[mar123]

If any of the pirate trails builders want to send me a PM so I can ask some questions, that’d be ok. Not that anyone here would do such a thing, but….

What kind of questions? haha

We got a few peeps on the inside, but....99.99% absolutely love the trails and have had nothing but positive things to say. The number of times I've heard thank you so much, you guys have made the mountain so much better is crazy!!! There has definitely been an uptick with the amount of mountain bikers using the bike haul. Youngbuck is arguably the most popular trail on the mountain..can easily count 50-100 people riding it daily while were out in the woods "doing things". Everyone is hooting and hollering going over the jumps or even the ride arounds.

Keeping everything safe as possible, we re-routed a few intersections so they merge with good line of site hopefully that should go a long way. There have been other crews adding trails, but I think overall the consensus is there's enough new/advanced/skidders now and the building is slowing down hopefully. Most agree that any more additions and we could see a tipping point and it could take a turn for the worse and a crack down is the last thing we want....

IMO most importantly maintain what we got, make it better, and be good stewards of the trails. Maybe someday we'll see the trails become sanctioned like Redbull, Moosehouse, etc.

[Marshal Olson]

Big thanks man! The energy of riders at PC is totally different now, in a really good way. People stoked and excited vs kinda just going through the motions. The revisions and "cleaning things up" that are now happening are great for their long term adoption possibilities. Kudos indeed.

[beaterdit]

Seconded, I've said before but thank you so much! Love the new trails, mostly all I've been riding this summer. Met "Evil D." up there the other day and also thanked him profusely.

ZZZ if you're looking to do something in your area, game trails are often a good place to start.

[zion zig zag]

What kind of questions? haha
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Just general how-tos. I’ve never built that type of trail and have questions. At this point I’d have to pick somewhere where they wouldn’t be discovered until they were good and established.

[zion zig zag]

ZZZ if you're looking to do something in your area, game trails are often a good place to start.

I guess I need to identify some spots on the map (not even sure where to start there really) and spend some time hiking around.

[mar123]

Some things to consider before building is who manages/owns the land?... I would hike the terrain first and visualize where the trail would go, find interesting features to link up. Use fall line and grades that dont require a ton of bench cutting. try to avoid areas with thick vegetation and undergrowth.

Building the trail is one thing but be prepared to maintain it year after year. Find some friends to help, more fun.

[Marshal Olson]

One other big thing to think thru is pedal access… Ie is the juice going to be worth the squeeze. Convoluted access on paper might be nice to filter folks out, but it also means you may end up riding fewer laps yourself as a result — and there is a critical density of use where trail just consistently flow well when there just enough riders to get it bed in and collectively clear of debris/deadfall but also nowhere near enough to blow it out.

[zion zig zag]

^^^Thanks for the advice. Seems like the best first step would be to go ride the ones in PC and see what works/what I like.