another pass option (NOT epic, Ikon or MC) Indypass.com

[NBABUCKS1]

Not the same pass with the new owners. Been strong arming some small areas

deets?

[jackattack]

deets?

https://www.stormskiing.com/p/11-ski...ki-cooper-pass

[cat in january]

I tried to find a reference about the recent move, but just redit and another ski forum, but know it happened. Two little ski areas in New England, Dartmouth Skiway
and Whaleback, were on a pass with four other little areas in New England called No Boundaries giving 3 days to each area for $99. Indy told them to choose.


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[MyNameIsAugustWest]

^ I'm generally pro-Indy but agree, it was a douche move to go after the No Boundaries areas. This could get ugly for Indy if the other pass coalitions take note and start doing the same.

Not all change is good...

[Garfield3d]

Someone on Reddit posted the e-mail they got from No Boundaries below:

Here's the short version:
We've lowered the price of the No Boundaries Pass to $99. It now provides up to 3 days of skiing at each of our three partner mountains: Tenney, Mt. Abram, and Granite Gorge. Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway were unexpectedly given an ultimatum by the Indy Pass and forced to leave the No Boundaries Pass. We're actively looking for new partner mountains to add before the season starts. Everyone who already purchased a pass was offered the lower price or a full refund.

Here's what happened:
We put the 23/24 No Boundaries Pass on sale just a few weeks ago. It provided between 1 and 3 days of skiing at each of our five partner mountains (Tenney, Mt. Abram, Granite Gorge, Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway) for just $119. Apparently our product was viewed as a threat by the Indy Pass.

Both Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway were on our pass last year, and we've worked with both of them in prior years as well. Last season, Indy Pass created their "Allied" resort program. Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway joined that program. They were not part of the formal Indy Pass, but Indy Passholders were entitled to discounts on day tickets. This program and the No Boundaries Pass existed simultaneously last year without issues, and Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway (which operate as non-profits) benefited by being aligned to both products.

Immediately after we put the No Boundaries Pass on sale this year, the folks at Indy Pass gave Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway an ultimatum: Get off the No Boundaries Pass or we'll terminate your relationship with Indy Pass. We weren't directly involved in those conversations, but the management teams at Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway told us they were shocked and frustrated that Indy Pass would put them in this position and they didn't believe it was right. There may have been other promises or threats made by the Indy Pass that we're not aware of.

Regardless, both mountains needed to do what's best for their businesses and we respect their decisions. It's tough to believe that the Indy Pass, an organization that claims to support independent mountains, would put two small non-profit ski areas in a position where they needed to give up a revenue stream. We'll always support and do what's best for our partner mountains, and we would welcome Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway back with open arms at any time. We hope our members will still support them this season and in the future.

Ironically, the Indy Pass has been sold out since April. Even if you wanted to buy one right now to support Whaleback and Dartmouth Skiway, or any of their other independent resorts, you simply can't.

The No Boundaries Pass is on sale now at a special introductory price of $99. With your pass, you can still ski up to 9 days at three fantastic, independent ski areas: Tenney, Mt. Abram, and Granite Gorge. We're still hoping to add a new partner(s) for this season. The No Boundaries Pass has no black out dates, meaning you can ski any day of the season, but if you avoid peak days the pass rewards you with more skiing.

No Boundaries Passholders are entitled to either:

1 Saturday/holiday lift ticket, OR 1 Sunday and 1 weekday lift ticket, OR 3 weekday lift tickets at EACH of our three partner mountains: Check out all the details on how the No Boundaries Pass works here.

We've been operating No Boundaries for a decade now. There have been many ups and downs and changes along the way. Our passion has always been to make skiing more accessible to our members, and to introduce you to some great ski areas along the way. We're sorry that the Indy Pass has gotten in the way of that.

Source - https://www.reddit.com/r/icecoast/co...e_been_forced/

[Sam Apoc]

Someone on Reddit posted the e-mail they got from No Boundaries below:



Source - https://www.reddit.com/r/icecoast/co...e_been_forced/

Curious how the Indy guys would spin this one. That doesn't sound good, and is a pretty different story from the Cooper deal.

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

I don't think there's a spin that anybody would buy. It's a douche-move. Nobody is buying the Indy Pass on the east coast to ski Dartmouth or Whaleback...those are just nice little add-ons; and they're only associate partners so the deal is 1/2 off a walk-up ticket. I'm guessing they will be part of the announcement due out today(?) on the additional 50 full partners. I'm guessing Indy told them that they could only become full partners if they were exclusive to Indy. The No boundaries Pass is not going to hurt Indy sales in the east. So it's a douche-move.

[NBABUCKS1]

per lift blog these were added:

The new Indy Pass resorts for 23/24 are:
- Baldy, BC
- Big White, BC
- Fairmont, BC
- Phoenix Mountain, BC
- Shames Mountain, BC
- Pass Powderkeg, AB
- Mt. Baldy, ON
- Loup Loup, WA
- Cooper Spur, OR
- Montana Snowbowl, MT
- Howelsen Hill, CO
- Bottineau, ND
- Huff Hills, ND
- Great Bear, SD
- Andes Tower Hills, MN
- Snowstar, IL
- Maple Ski Ridge, NY
- Big Bear, PA
- Dartmouth Skiway, NH
- Whaleback, NH


Outside of North America, SkiWelt, Austria and 7 more Japan mountains were also added.

[m2711c]

maple ridge? that otta drive some pass sales right there…

[Fishskisurf]

Uninspiring adds out west, but at the same time not sure there’s many left unclaimed in the mega pass landscape

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

^ Wolf Creek would be a nice add...

As I predicted above, Dartmouth and Whaleback become full partners. The east was more uninspiring than the west which got Big White, Montana Snowbowl, and if ya wanna ski with GaryFromTerrace, Shames.

[Fishskisurf]

Lookout, Mt Rose, Whitefish, Whitewater could have been nice (but at the same time it’s nice to know some do remain truly independent, even from an Indy pass)

[m2711c]

Wolf Creek would be awesome. That would fill a gap on the cooper pass…

[m2711c]

Ani was a nice add. Rounds out the Tohoku circle nicely…






















no crowds or liftlines, plenty of snow and excellent food… what more could you ask for?




yep.

[byates1]

I'm stoked Snow bowl is on. Was planning on paying for that this year. As a recurring Indy buyer I think I paid 240$ for mine.

Planning on catamount, b-east, bmom, saddleback, jay, suicide six, magic, Bolton, trapps, etc in the east.

And red lodge, lost trail, Snow bowl, terry peak, soldier, pomerelle, Beaver, blacktail, 49, mission. Blue wood, tamarack, brundage, etc in the west.

Not bad for 240$ ish.

[DoYou WannaDance]

Uninspiring adds out west, but at the same time not sure there’s many left unclaimed in the mega pass landscape

I bought a Monarch pass the year covid happened and it had awesome reciprocals Bridger, Shweitzer, Nelson Whitewater, Sugar Bowl were used for free days. Sierra @ Tahoe they didn't abide by the terms and refused to give me the ticket and I was too poor to pay 1/2 price that day. Don't think any of those are on Indy. Most have fallen sadly.

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

And just when I had gotten out the torch and pitchfork, Indy steps up and supports Black Mtn ( NH) so they can open this year.


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[garyfromterrace]

Uninspiring adds out west, but at the same time not sure there’s many left unclaimed in the mega pass landscape

Shames uninspiring?
You. Know. Nothing.

[DanoT]

Big White is a 45min drive from an international airport in Kelowna, B.C., so there is a potential for an influx of Indy Pass holders. Shames, OTOH, is too distant and time consuming and too costly to get to to experience a big surge of Indy skiers. Day ticket: $85cad or $62usd is pretty cheap these days, so you are either going to Shames or you aren't and an Indy Pass is not a game changer incentive, imo.

[cat in january]

The pass at least lets skiers know it’s there. Only diehard skiers know about it. Guessing a week trip to shames stacks up well to side country cat skiing

[jackattack]

Most of the Indy tourists I’ve met are retired or semi-retired boomers that don’t want to deal with the crowds at Vail and Alterra destinations. These people have the time and money to make a trip to Shames, and now they know it exists. Thanks Indy!

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

Hey, what’s wrong with retired boomers? [emoji12]


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[garyfromterrace]

The pass at least lets skiers know it’s there. Only diehard skiers know about it. Guessing a week trip to shames stacks up well to side country cat skiing

Yeah cat. There are similarities. Differences are that you'd be well served with a touring gear set up. There's a ton of easy access shots off the hill. If it snows a ton while you're here you'd get heli ski quality at about a 15th of the price using the lifts. There's a ton of terrain getting opened up on the hill the last few years through the efforts of some dedicated locals with help from training wild fire crews.

Make no mistake (looking at you DanoT) we aren't catering to intermediate skiers who want groomers. We have that, but that's not who our target out of towner is. We would expect the hardcore skier who can ski off piste in most conditions. We are about powder and easily accessible touring.

Most of the Indy tourists I’ve met are retired or semi-retired boomers that don’t want to deal with the crowds at Vail and Alterra destinations. These people have the time and money to make a trip to Shames, and now they know it exists. Thanks Indy!

Yep. And, further to DanoT's comment about a big surge of Indy skiers - yeah we get that there won't be one. We will not go from 10 minute lineups on a powder day to 40 minute line ups. We are not easy to get to, and once here you have no on hill accommodation (unless you bring a camper, and that is becoming very popular here BTW). It would not take a big surge in ticket sales to make a big difference to our bottom line. For instance 150 extra day tickets sold in a season (a distinct possibility with the indy pass connection) could mean an extra $10,000 to our bottom line in lift ticket sales alone. That could easily be the difference between a money making season and a money losing season to us.

Finally in response to DanoT's comments suggesting Kelowna is sooooo much easier to get to than Terrace. Well actually it's about the same. You are not generally flying direct to Kelowna from ANYWHERE really (exceptions being seattle, toronto, montreal). You are going through Vancouver (same as Terrace) or Calgary (which also has direct flights to Terrace). Once you get to Kelowna you are driving 45 minutes to the ski hill. Once you get to Terrace you're driving 30 minutes.

Hey, what’s wrong with retired boomers? [emoji12]

I know, right.

[m2711c]

do you guys have any public transportation between downtown Terrace and the mountain?

hopefully with the schedule that would get you there before first chair?

[garyfromterrace]

do you guys have any public transportation between downtown Terrace and the mountain?

hopefully with the schedule that would get you there before first chair?

Great question and unfortunately I believe the answer is no. The ski bus was a money losing proposition in the past so it was discontinued. I'm not sure of if is scheduled for this season or not. There was a social media based ride share used in the past that seemed to work. Rental car, truck or SUV may be the best option right now, and granted that is not a great option and may keep skiers away.

Given the Indy pass thing, getting the ski bus back running is certainly something the board of directors should be considering for out of town visitors (and certainly locals who don't have wheels). Thanks for the question!