College Admissions Scandal

[Ted Striker]

I always idolized cru jones because he was in with a young lori loughlin. That, his jaunts in the lumberyard, domination of helltrack and that he tailwhipped that dudes papers talking about ivy league offers.

If Bill Allen was hanging from a cliff and I was holding him with one arm, and I was holding my girlfriend with the other, and I had enough strength to save them both, I would let go of my girlfriend just so I could make sure that I had a really good grip on Bill. - Daniel Tosh

[dunfree]

I don't misunderstand that. I'm a professor. I am just suggesting that if you are willing to commit $500,000 to getting your kid into a college, there are ways to do it right out in the open that don't risk shame/criminal charges.

Will $500k get you into USC? Will $1.2 million get you into Yale? Legally? In 2019? Inflations hit even the ivys. I'm sure it could get the dullard crotchfruit into some "lesser" school; my take away is people aren't interested in lesser schools. The TPG "impact investing" douchebag could have sent his brat to Northeastern for far less, maybe even without interference, and yet he chose not too. Maybe he wanted access to the Stanford network himself too, and it was all part 'n parcel, who knows.

[4matic]

sometimes you gotta say wtf


Princeton could use a guy like Joel

[Deebased]

Irrespective of the scandal and athletics admissions applicants with exemplary talent in art, music, science, and cultural diversity are routinely granted admission. All of these top ranked schools could fill their enrollment with 4.0+ students but it would not provide the best experience for everyone.

If you have the money $1 million is a small investment to access the networking contacts a place like Harvard or Stanford opens for students and parents.

Cal and Harvard for example are under fire for under admitting Asian students based on merit.


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Gotta make room for C students who are on the academically correct side of the political spectrum.

There's a reason college requirements were dropped by the FANG corps.

[jgb@etree]

I always idolized cru jones because he was in with a young lori loughlin. That, his jaunts in the lumberyard, domination of helltrack and that he tailwhipped that dudes papers talking about ivy league offers.

Thank you. Rad references are always appreciated! Finest 80s movie ever?

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[4matic]

Gotta make room for C students who are on the academically correct side of the political spectrum.
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Makes sense from a guy like you. Artless and culturally vacant

[MarcusBrody]

Will $500k get you into USC? Will $1.2 million get you into Yale? Legally?

I'm sure it could get the dullard crotchfruit into some "lesser" school; my take away is people aren't interested in lesser schools. The TPG "impact investing" douchebag could have sent his brat to Northeastern for far less, maybe even without interference, and yet he chose not too.

That's a good question. I actually don't know the minimum at Yale or USC. A lot of places it seems to be a million minimum to endow a chair (I suspect Yale is much more), but where I currently teach (an elite but not absolutely top tier liberal arts school), I'd be shocked if a $500,000 donation wouldn't get you in. It just would be put toward something like a dorm or dining hall rather than endowing a chair. Endowed chairs aren't really colleges favorite way to get money as they're restricted funds. Yale probably has more endowed chairs in Latin than they know what to do with (I don't know this, just making up an example) and they can't use those funds for other purposes. Restricted funds make it hard for a college to shift priorities and some places have a huge amount of their endowment tied up in restricted funds.

Edit: I tried to look it up, and found that $500,000 will put you in USC's second highest tier of "parent honor society". One million gets you the full benefit and a special house on campus to interact in. But does the lower level get potential preferential admission? I'd guess yes. Apparently Stanford uses the potential to donate $500,000 or more as the cut off for development cases (applicants given special admission attention for their parents' resources). I can't imagine that USC would have a lower cutoff given its lower resources.

[SumJongGuy]

Waiting for some flake to post a YouTube video of some other flake claiming this is how the fake news mainstream media and Illuminatti is funneling cash to scientists affiliated with public universities to lie to us all about global warming.. and vaccines that secretly are engineered to make us gay..

[Marshall Tucker]

Didn't like the "original" ending. huge, huge fan of the movie since it came out in 83. Joel and I same year in HS. rebecca demony so spot on. esp. the "you don't beleive me" line. This movie was so ahead of it's time, foreshadowed the whole yuppy culture that dominated the rest of the decade. The lines in this movie are endless. two of my favorites "joel go to school. go learn something." "Joel. This is your mother. Get up off the babysitter. Don't throw your life away."

wait what were we talking about? where did i put my beer.

[mcski]

Thank you. Rad references are always appreciated! Finest 80s movie ever?

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I think there was a whole episode of the Goldberg's that tied into it, so gonna say ya

[SumJongGuy]

Goldberg’s did a Breakfast Club episode too

And Highlander, Revenge of the Nerds, and every other episode is all about one 80s movie or another.

Happy Days=That 50s Show
The Wonder Years -That 60s Show
That 70s Show=That 70s Show
The Goldbergs=That 80s Show
Fresh off the Boat=That 90s Show.....

[Stu Gotz]

My wife jokingly asked her boss yesterday how much it takes to get into Harvard. And he dead seriously said “$1 million gets your application a second look. $10 million gets you a guarantee. Assholes.”

[Benny Profane]

Generally you are wrong.



If you question the amount of work it typically takes to be able to compete in college athletics I just don't even know what to say to you...

Yeah. Right. Outside of the Ivy League, I'll bet those kids on scholarship are the best and brightest. Like the NFL and NBA is filled with high IQs. And, sure, they practice a lot, but, sorry, that ain't work.

I happened to be close to a lot of the Rutgers basketball team back in the day. A few were illiterate. Not the fancy white people they don't know Shakespeare illiterate. No, like, can't read or write illiterate. I doubt much has changed.

[Benny Profane]

You do realize colleges won't get 20,000 people to watch 10 kids do math problems?

And pay the math professor 3 million a year.

[Benny Profane]

Good take on this:

The College Bribery Scandal and the Uberization of Graft https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/o...s-bribery.html

[Cono Este]

What will happen to all the Rich kids from Brentwood and Newport Beach now?

Where will they go?




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[Stu Gotz]

I keep reading about the disruption of higher education, but this scandal shows how absolute the hierarchy is ingrained in our society.

Maybe changes in my lifetime, but not in the next decade or so.

[dunfree]

That's a good question. I actually don't know the minimum at Yale or USC. A lot of places it seems to be a million minimum to endow a chair (I suspect Yale is much more), but where I currently teach (an elite but not absolutely top tier liberal arts school), I'd be shocked if a $500,000 donation wouldn't get you in.

I know, secondhand, it was mid 6-figures to bend the rules at Stanford back in the 90s. it looks like it took $750k per Trump brat to Penn, $2.5 million for Jared at Harvard. again, back in the 90s. Luxury goods inflation has been stiff since then.

oh, and being a standout good high school athlete was worth that same donation amount in rule bending. Obviously all aren't dumb - the test taker was an athlete in this scandal - but schools are willing to let dumber athletes in.

[Benny Profane]

I keep reading about the disruption of higher education, but this scandal shows how absolute the hierarchy is ingrained in our society.

Maybe changes in my lifetime, but not in the next decade or so.

Disruption? In the 70s and 80s most smart people could get into a decent school for almost free, so they could easily laugh off this shit. Look at the resumes of high politicians and CEOs from the immediate postwar generation, and most went to non ivy league and small schools you may never heard of. Then the stratification began, and it's just gotten so much worse now that some good undergrad diplomas are now costing six figures. I say blame the schools themselves for succumbing to the money game, so much so that presidents and administrators are now easily making seven figures and athletic departments cost in the eight to nine figures, while the people who are actually teaching are almost making minimum wage. We're fucked.

[MontuckyFried]

My wife jokingly asked her boss yesterday how much it takes to get into Harvard. And he dead seriously said “$1 million gets your application a second look. $10 million gets you a guarantee. Assholes.”

Unless you're a (non-Asian) minority. Just ask Julian Castro! Sub-par SAT score and a free ride, baby! First at Stanford, but then Harvard for grad. My (Hispanic) ex-wife knew him back in HS, and she ended up with admittance and a full ride to Georgetown, which she turned down thanks to her overly-attached family (bucket of crabs theory in full effect on that one), but easily got into UT (full ride too), so just went there instead. No millions necessary!

[MarcusBrody]

I know, secondhand, it was mid 6-figures to bend the rules at Stanford back in the 90s. it looks like it took $750k per Trump brat to Penn, $2.5 million for Jared at Harvard. again, back in the 90s. Luxury goods inflation has been stiff since then.

oh, and being a standout good high school athlete was worth that same donation amount in rule bending. Obviously all aren't dumb - the test taker was an athlete in this scandal - but schools are willing to let dumber athletes in.

I actually sat through a few Ivy League athletic recruiting visits with my little brother. They basically have a tiered system of how how many slots they get at each level of academic achievement. You get an academic score based on your SATs and GPA (maybe something else I don't remember) and then they basically get to pick and choose from the applicants as to who they want to admit to fill those slots. Obviously you only get one of the rare "really below student body average" slots if you're seen as a game changer. They get a lot more for the "basically looks like the student body, though we reject most of those people too" kids. I remember the coach telling my brother that if he wanted a good shot to get in, he had to get himself into at least the next bracket of academic achievement up, with raising SATs being the easiest way to do that.

[Viva]

What will happen to all the Rich kids from Brentwood and Newport Beach now?

Where will they go?

Brentwood is fucla territory.

[The AD]

I happened to be close to a lot of the Rutgers basketball team back in the day. A few were illiterate. Not the fancy white people they don't know Shakespeare illiterate. No, like, can't read or write illiterate. I doubt much has changed.

You realize there are college sports other than football and basketball, right? And I'll bet ya if you eliminate those two sports both the GPA and graduation rates are higher for athletes than non-athletes.

[Cono Este]

I’m not surprised by any of this. When I was recruited, coaches just made a phone call to admissions and a week later I had an acceptance letter. Now, my buddy who is head coach at Indiana says he could never get away with it as they follow up etc.


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[4matic]

Ridell was underpaid. $10k per test seems lite.


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