1kg Boot thread

[zion zig zag]

Looks good. How did you attach the strap to the boot?

[riff]

Anybody got some time on the F1 LT’s? I’m still looking, still hoping to make an upgrade from the TLT6’s. Evidently the F1 LT is the same lower as Alien RS, except for changes to the bootboard, any consensus on if it makes noticeable increase in width? Any other opinions on going with a pair of Aliens and work on the bootboard, or go for the slightly burlier F1 LT? I had Aliens briefly but couldn’t talk myself into working on the lowers for width. Maybe grinding the bootboard and some punches for width would make it work.
Aliens: tiny bit lighter, simpler, possibly narrower, gaiter bonding problem

F1 LT: stouter, more complicated transitions, possibly wider, improved gaiters

Winner? I can find the Aliens about $200 cheaper.


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[cravenmorhead]

I haven't skied the Aliens, but I'm getting into a pair of F1 LTs in a week or two, from F1s. I'll let you know how it goes.

[plugboots]

I’d love to hear about the F1 LT as well.


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[detrusor]

I’d like a light boot (in Lange free tour 130’s) that skis close to an alpine boot in that last bit is considerable lighter. Like not 3 ounces lighter but much lighter. I’ve tried tlt6, backland carbon and dynafit beast....they all kinda had faults (first 2 w low cuff height...feels so sketchy to me). Thoughts?


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[nickel]

I’d like a light boot (in Lange free tour 130’s) that skis close to an alpine boot in that last bit is considerable lighter. Like not 3 ounces lighter but much lighter. I’ve tried tlt6, backland carbon and dynafit beast....they all kinda had faults (first 2 w low cuff height...feels so sketchy to me). Thoughts?


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The dynafit beast is in the same category and weight band as the hawx 130 and zeroG. Imo these are both superior although who knows if they'll be what you want.

[cravenmorhead]

I’d like a light boot (in Lange free tour 130’s) that skis close to an alpine boot in that last bit is considerable lighter. Like not 3 ounces lighter but much lighter. I’ve tried tlt6, backland carbon and dynafit beast....they all kinda had faults (first 2 w low cuff height...feels so sketchy to me). Thoughts?


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I mean... everybody is trying to make a 1kg boot that skis like a double overlap alpine boot. But it's apparently a very hard engineering problem because companies have thrown a lot of money at the issue and they haven't found the holy grail yet. So you can ski a 1kg boot with 100 flex, ish, or you can ski a 1500g boot that charges a lot harder but is half-again as heavy. Or points in between.

[jacob_dbu]

I mean... everybody is trying to make a 1kg boot that skis like a double overlap alpine boot. But it's apparently a very hard engineering problem because companies have thrown a lot of money at the issue and they haven't found the holy grail yet. So you can ski a 1kg boot with 100 flex, ish, or you can ski a 1500g boot that charges a lot harder but is half-again as heavy. Or points in between.

I feel like the points in between is kind of lacking, besides the ZGTP. But probably mostly comes down to the liner tbh.

[Benneke10]

I feel like the points in between is kind of lacking, besides the ZGTP. But probably mostly comes down to the liner tbh.

I learned in another thread that the Hawx XTD 130 shells weigh basically the same as the ZGTP shells (~1200g) but they put a way heavier liner in. Just another option to consider

[dcpnz]

I'm still intrigued by the new Dalbello Quantum in this space as replacement for my old TLT5p that have held up remarkably well all these years.

GregL seems to like them but he's the only one I've read an actual user review from. Nowhere local to try and buy so hoping for more opinions before I plunk down full retail via online order.

It's probably either them or backland carbons for me this year i think.

[DGamms]

Looks good. How did you attach the strap to the boot?

Not sure what the hardware is actually called? Harvested from my old boots

[japanada]

I got a set of dalbello quantum asolo factorys to try to fit this niche. Light as hell (compared to my xtd130s/xt 130s, unfortunately the 28 shell runs too short for my foot. The flex I would say is a 115ish? I'll be getting rid of them if anyone is interested.

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[plugboots]

Those Delbello’s look really nice, (I hadn’t even heard of those), but you can’t punch the shell, which is kind of scary for me considering they are a 98 mm last.

https://youtu.be/UQJONY-dZI8

[jacob_dbu]

Those Delbello’s look really nice, (I hadn’t even heard of those), but you can’t punch the shell, which is kind of scary for me considering they are a 98 mm last.

https://youtu.be/UQJONY-dZI8

gregL will punch anything...


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[dcpnz]

I got a set of dalbello quantum asolo factorys to try to fit this niche. Light as hell (compared to my xtd130s/xt 130s, unfortunately the 28 shell runs too short for my foot. The flex I would say is a 115ish? I'll be getting rid of them if anyone is interested.

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That's what worries me a bit about buying without trying. GregL sized up too I believe. What are your other boots/sizes?

[japanada]

That's what worries me a bit about buying without trying. GregL sized up too I believe. What are your other boots/sizes?

They fit the way my 27.5 Langes do. I'd have no issue inbounds skiing them, but need a lil more room for touring. 315mm or 316mm bsl

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[zion zig zag]

Not sure what the hardware is actually called? Harvested from my old boots

Perfect thanks. I think I have some of those around somewhere.

[gregL]

That's what worries me a bit about buying without trying. GregL sized up too I believe. What are your other boots/sizes?

I normally ski a 26.5 in alpine boots, and measure 27.7 on the Brannock. I have sized up in the TLT5, TLT6, Procline, and Quantum Asolo Factory, though part of it is due to difficulty getting my 114mm wide foot through the Boa-type entrance. As for punching, Dalbello specifically says "no" so you have to find a bootfitter with some courage (same with the Alien RS). The plastic does not turn shiny, but instead gets really dark and has a flat finish when hot - you really need to trust your "finger" to tell you when it's hot enough.

[Temagami]

I've been A/Bing Alien RS and F1LT the past 10 days. Three+ seasons, 300+ days on Alien RS. 29 in both / same bsl.

I pulled the smaller / non-elastic booster day 1. I thought it skied worse and added complexity to transitions.

Riff, a few small revisions.

F1 LT: stouter (heavier), less ROM if booster engaged for one flip transition, more powerful (less vague) on initiation by virtue of booster, more complicated entry, slightly more complicated transition (offset by security of not having to worry about cord snapping on top of a line, especially in the spring), a touch wider, improved gaiters (snugger entry, however), more forward lean options, better colorway .

Already having the Alien RS, I'm not sure the F1LT is a necessary upgrade. Torn on whether to keep them. My Alien RS are pretty beat and I like the cord security, so I likely will.

I'll try and remember to circle back, but I'm not on TGR much these days.

[ccl]

F1 LTs just arrived. I’ve skied the Alien RS about 150 days. Just took the F1 LTs for a little spin around the backyard foothills but no real ski experience in them yet. So not nearly as much experience to compare them as Temagami but another perspective/data point.

Liner seems a littler stiffer/burlier than Alien RS. Slightly more padding around the heel which is a good thing for me. The liner doesn’t have the upper velcro strap which I might miss.

The gaiter seems significantly improved. I actually found it easier to get in/out. It’s shorter than the Alien RS, although the front is a little taller where it comes up and Velcro’s to the liner. It seems reinforced in the area where it tends to delaminate from the shell near the ankle.

Contrary to other opinions out there, walking around on skis I felt no reason to loosen the main buckle Velcro. I tried it and didn’t notice a significant difference in ROM. It felt about the same as the Alien RS walking. Not sure why the different experience in this regard, but I seriously doubt I’ll ever loosen it after setting it in the morning. The power strap definitely adds noticeable stiffness, but only skiing will tell if that’s needed or will feel harsh. Without the power strap, stiffness seems similar to the Alien RS.

The boot has noticeably more height volume than the RS and a bit more metatarsal width, which is consistent with what Scarpa is saying. I’m going to need more shimming to fill up instep space than I did in the RS, even taking into consideration my RS’s packed out liners. I’m still willing to bet that if you don’t fit the Alien RS, it will be the same with the F1 LT. If the RS felt a little tight, the extra room might help. If you have a low volume/low instep foot like me, plan on shimming.

Overall, they seem like a good upgrade to me and I’m psyched to ski them.

[nyskirat]

I'll be interested to see how the F1 LT compares to the Backland carbon. Seem quite similar.

[ccl]

I also wondered about how the F1 LT would compare to the Backland Carbon. See the question/answer dated 11/15 here: https://skimo.co/atomic-backland-carbon-boot

Maybe not definitive but helpful. Based on this and other reviews, seems like the consensus is the F1 LT skis better. If it fits.

[Dee Hubbs]

I'm looking to dip my toe in to the 1000g boot market. (see what I did there!).
I tried on the Fischer Traverse and like the fit, but I'm not ready to throw down $900 bucks to see if I like driving skinny skis with a feather weight boot.
I tried on the Traverse CS and understand the Carbon cuff model "CC" has been recalled or is not being made this season?
I read on Blister that the 17-18-19 model was the same. Am I correct to assume the 19/20 was the year with the model change, with a CS and CC model, and then the CC was recalled, so for 20/21 there is only a CS?
I can find a lightly used 2018 model to try these out. Is there anything I should look out for on the 2018 model, or any reason I shouldn't try the older used model for less than 1/3 of a new boot.
I know the normal things to look for like worn inserts and buckles and worn rubber. How did the BOA hold up, or internal gators? anything specific like that to look for?
Lots of questions, but trying to jump into a few unknowns, like 1000g class and a boot brand I have not dealt with before.

[japanada]

Got brand new quantum asolo factory in 28.5 fs

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[Backward_Banana]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but looking for some input on using a 1 kg boot in very, very cold conditions (20k ft in May). Overboots for sure, but wondering what people are doing with the sizing/liners of boots like this to stay warm and maintain ROM. Currently thinking of sizing up and getting a high-volume pro tour liner to take up the space and add warmth. Haven't settled on a boot yet, but based on my foot I'm thinking Alien RS/ F1 LT.