Moment Skis Discussion

[Sargentdrufus]

Anyone have much time on the 179 Sierra tour? Looking for some real world feedback as a spring touring ski?

Interested in this as well.

[AZskibum]

Be interested to see if there's a Countach 100-ish by end of next season. I've got one more season before my DW104 becomes a rock ski I suspect. I could do with a bit less tail rocker and more directionality but the Commander is too much ski for most patrol-speeds.

How is the DW 104 compared to the DW in the bumps?

[lemonhead]

How is the DW 104 compared to the DW in the bumps?

I have about 250 days on the regular deathwish, and about 3 hours on the 104. I did just order a pair this afternoon and bump performance is one of the reasons. I was blown away at how much a difference 8mm can make on the same length ski. They were quicker and I found myself airing more often because of the quickness. After a week of contemplation and flirtation with the idea of the Countach i bought a pair.

[phatty]

I've been loving the Commander 108s, but the Countach is really calling to me. Hoping to get more feedback, but there's only one 188cm left in the pre-order...

[Sylvan]

I've been loving the Commander 108s, but the Countach is really calling to me. Hoping to get more feedback, but there's only one 188cm left in the pre-order...

You know what to do…

[stuckathuntermtn]

I'd go by edge length. I've found that to be the best thing for figuring out what Moments I should get.

I have no idea how to reference that.
Also, did Moment ever fix their slow AF bases?
Countach really looks like the ski I've been imagining in my mind as my perfect do everything ski, but it might be a shade long. Especially for all the tree skiing I like to do.

[tenB]

I have no idea how to reference that.
Also, did Moment ever fix their slow AF bases?
Countach really looks like the ski I've been imagining in my mind as my perfect do everything ski, but it might be a shade long. Especially for all the tree skiing I like to do.

Effective edge lengths are listed on their website.

They switched to carbon bases a few years ago and they are a game changer. Very fast, hold wax a long time, and I rarely even need to use warm wax in the spring anymore. They keep gliding long after everybody else is getting bucked in sticky warm snow.

[doebedoe]

How is the DW 104 compared to the DW in the bumps?

Noticeably better. I have both in the same length. The minor increase in stiffness isn't really noticeable. Narrower waist and slightly more traditional mount both make it feel much quicker and playful in the bumps.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Effective edge lengths are listed on their website.

They switched to carbon bases a few years ago and they are a game changer. Very fast, hold wax a long time, and I rarely even need to use warm wax in the spring anymore. They keep gliding long after everybody else is getting bucked in sticky warm snow.

Nice

[Stuntmonkey]

Any more countach reviews? I'm second guessing myself vs a wildcat or deathwish given that I have so much quiver overlap (Atris, Jeff 110, Corvus). Actually as I write it out I'm realising I don't care about overlap lol.

[Pinned]

Effective edge lengths are listed on their website.

They switched to carbon bases a few years ago and they are a game changer. Very fast, hold wax a long time, and I rarely even need to use warm wax in the spring anymore. They keep gliding long after everybody else is getting bucked in sticky warm snow.

Do you know when they changed bases? My skis are 20/21, after they stopped using the graphic bases, but not sure if that's indicative of the change.

[spaceman]

I'll be sure to test out/report back on the 196 wildcat and new 110 for y'all

Thoughts?

[lemonhead]

Thoughts?

My thoughts are not helpful to Spaceman, but my heart and ego want one and my brain attached to my 161-pound body says that's not needed...for me.

[Falcon3]

Anyone have much time on the 179 Sierra tour? Looking for some real world feedback as a spring touring ski?

Moment is coming out with a Deathwish Tour 104 this summer, I'd wait for that if you weigh more than 150lbs. I asked them about the SierraTour and they said it's considerably less stiff than the Deathwish Tour, and if I was looking for DWT-type performance in a narrower ski, I'd probably be disappointed.

[jacob_dbu]

Damn I think a DWT104 would be perfect for the PNW spring refrozen/corn/mank combo. If it comes in around 1500g I'm gonna be so stoked on it.

[kevino]

Moment is coming out with a Deathwish Tour 104 this summer, I'd wait for that if you weigh more than 150lbs. I asked them about the SierraTour and they said it's considerably less stiff than the Deathwish Tour, and if I was looking for DWT-type performance in a narrower ski, I'd probably be disappointed.

Interesting. I asked them a similar question and got a more supportive response. Seems like the Sierra is 104DWT so presumably the layup will be a bit more supportive.

Sounds like worth the wait!

[stuckathuntermtn]

Need more Countach feedback

[kid-kapow]

I thought this was a nice little intro to their skis.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Ok, but does anyone actually have time on the Countach; it came out this year, right?
How about a real measurement?

[Phall]

It was released to the public/for sale a few weeks ago, but there were demos floating around starting about the time the blister summit occured. I had a very brief few runs on them, review is a few pages back. After re-mounting my 190 wildcats -2, I may consider the 188 Countach on the line as my pow ski in the future.

[lemonhead]

It was released to the public/for sale a few weeks ago, but there were demos floating around starting about the time the blister summit occured. I had a very brief few runs on them, review is a few pages back. After re-mounting my 190 wildcats -2, I may consider the 188 Countach on the line as my pow ski in the future.

Interesting 8mm narrower for the pow ski. Besides the mount point what traits are you looking to get with that change?

[Phall]

The 190 wildcat is a little too, off? For me at -2, I loved it at rec but not enough shovel to ski 20+ for me being larger. Looking for something a bit more directional too.


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[lemonhead]

That makes sense.

[CYJ]

Looks like some more skis got added to skiburger, i.e. full width run of the Wildcats

[scmartin69]

Moment Countach 188cm
Mounted on the factory line
Bindings: Tyrolia Attack demo
Boots Lange RX 130

Me: 6’1” 220lbs
Aggressive (but getting older), former level 3 ski instructor, don’t ski switch or huck cliffs but do like to pop off side hits and the occasional run through the park, comfortable driving the shovel or skiing centered depending on conditions/terrain, prefer steeps and skiing fast in all conditions.
Skis I do and have gotten along with: Moment DW112, Commander 98, OG ON3P Billy Goats, Volkl Gotama, Rossi Squad 7
Skis I didn't: Moment DW104, M-Free 108, Rossi Soul 7 HD, Nordica Enforcer 104, Volkl 100Eight

Mt Rose Ski Tahoe
8-14” of cold smoke.

Easy to ski, very intuitive
Really reminds me of a narrower BG, albeit w/ waaaay less tip taper
Skied well w/ a centered stance everywhere and I could drive the tips in boot deep without feeling like I was going over the bars.
Driving the tips too hard in deeper snow “could” cause tip dive, but they definitely planed well for a ski of this width and the snow depth, likely due to the wide tip profile and despite the lack of taper.
They held a solid line wherever I pointed them, even through 30” drifts, full disclosure this was during the magical “best days ever” two weeks when the snow was blower (for Tahoe).


Palisades Tahoe/Alpine Meadows
Mix of skied off/firm, refrozen and soft winter snow

These really want to run, seemed to seek the fall line and accelerate super quickly.
Not really easy to slarve or pivot; not impossible, but they reward strong movements and good technique. I’ll probably mess around w/ a more aggressive tail detune to help w/ this.
Decent in the bumps for the size/construction. Tail is stiff enough to punish backseat in the bumps, but not ridiculous.
Felt balanced in the air and solid on landings. I'll leave it to the real huckers to weigh in on how they handle backslap landings off 20 footers.
Decent edgehold, but not as solid as my DW112. My pair needed a tune so standby for an update on this… Very composed at speed, I didn't find the top end limit on groomers.
Good suspension/stability, able to blow through stuff/crud w/o getting kicked around, never felt like the mountain was skiing me.
Same/similar core to DW104 which I didn't get along with, but works well here...

Bottom line: Just as advertised a blend of the Wildcat 108 and the Commander 108. They are playful when you want them to be and all business when you want to wail on them.
I'm looking forward to trying them out in some corn next couple weeks as I think they will really shine in the sunny, wide open back bowls that the Sierra is famous for.
If you see me at Palisades/Mammoth/Rose feel free to hit me up for a more in depth discussion over a beer.