Full tilt boot flex recommendation

[Bdog325]

Currently have the full tilt classics with the 6 flex tongue. Looking to go stiffer as currently I can smash my tongues pretty easily. I am in between buying the 8 and the 10. At 50 bucks a piece I don't wanna buy both so I'm looking to you kings for your wisdom

I ski all mountain and am about 6' @ 190 to 200lbs ish

[oetk2]

I have 10s from a few years back, 5'10" and 175. Definitely not too stiff and an upgrade from 8s

[whyturn]

Agree. Went from 8 to 10 and glad I did

[Lahar]

They also have 12 now, and at your size I would be looking at 10-12, not 8.

[Bdog325]

Thanks guys. I went with the 10s!


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[burrito]

I know you already bought the 10s, but here are my dos centavos:

I'm 5'10"/165lbs, normally ski pretty upright, sometimes aggressively forward when conditions call for it, and I went from 6 to 8 to 10 tongues over the years (side note: replace your plastic buckles and FT boots last forever.) I think there is another thread comparing standard flex ratings to the FT tongue numbers, but I'd say the 10s flex at around a 110. They were fine for me, though I could definitely overpower them. Had I not bought a new pair of Lupo 130s this season, which are significantly stiffer than the FT 10 tongues, I would have given the 12 tongues a shot.

[Bdog325]

I know you already bought the 10s, but here are my dos centavos:

I'm 5'10"/165lbs, normally ski pretty upright, sometimes aggressively forward when conditions call for it, and I went from 6 to 8 to 10 tongues over the years (side note: replace your plastic buckles and FT boots last forever.) I think there is another thread comparing standard flex ratings to the FT tongue numbers, but I'd say the 10s flex at around a 110. They were fine for me, though I could definitely overpower them. Had I not bought a new pair of Lupo 130s this season, which are significantly stiffer than the FT 10 tongues, I would have given the 12 tongues a shot.

I haven't skied very many boots as my full tilts are my first good boot that actually fit. My previous boots were always used and at the time I didn't know how a ski boot should fit. Thus I had very little reference to what a normal flex rating would feel like. I'll probably ride the 10s until I feel like I need a 12. Or I'll buy some Seth Morrisons or a boot that's stiffer if I need it

[homebrewd]

My 10s are definitely feeling soft. Boosters make everything better.

[burrito]

My 10s are definitely feeling soft. Boosters make everything better.

Agreed there. I always ran Boosters on my Full Tilts. On my new boots I switched to Voile XL straps and have been really happy with them so far. They’re significantly lighter, and because they’re more difficult to stretch there’s less risk of over tightening. I often cranked my Boosters a bit too much (probably to overcompensate for a tongue that was too soft) and made my feet numb. The only downside so far is that the Voiles don’t attach to each other for carrying as well as Boosters do.

[babybear]

I run a 10 tongue myself (girl) so I'm thinking anything less than that for a guy your size will not be stiff enough

another way to stiffen up full tilts is to get a tongue sized 1 size larger than your boot. gives a little more wrap around and stiffness
Seth Morrison told us this trick
you can't do more than 1 size larger tho as it starts to interfere with the middle buckle

[mntlion]

you can also bolt the lower clog and upper rear cuff together (a bolt just back and up of the side cuff)

This stiffens up the boot ALOT usually takes an 6 to a 10.

[oltrepiave]

I know it's a pretty weird question but given what's going on with FT as a whole it might be interesting for other people as well.

There's a guy who owns a shop in my area who's doing a full closeout sale of FTboots. It's just the standard alpine models from the past 4-5 years, all brand new and pretty cheap (italy's not a huge market for cabrio boots).. I'm looking for a standard alpine model flexing like a 120-130, plan to use em inbounds with old bentchet 120. No plans of skiing park.

I have skied (and enjoyed) the KR pro and the older Lupos in the past so i generally jive well with cabrio designs also given my personal style+ preferences.
Only thing is I have a LV foot all around. My everyday boot is a Hawx Ultra XTD 130 and i've had to take up volume in some areas.

I've narrowed it down to these 3 candidates, they're all a 99 mm nominal last so they should be the "LVest" options:
classic
drop kick
first chair

could any of these models work for me?

[rfconroy]

I know it's a pretty weird question but given what's going on with FT as a whole it might be interesting for other people as well.

There's a guy who owns a shop in my area who's doing a full closeout sale of FTboots. It's just the standard alpine models from the past 4-5 years, all brand new and pretty cheap (italy's not a huge market for cabrio boots).. I'm looking for a standard alpine model flexing like a 120-130, plan to use em inbounds with old bentchet 120. No plans of skiing park.

I have skied (and enjoyed) the KR pro and the older Lupos in the past so i generally jive well with cabrio designs also given my personal style+ preferences.
Only thing is I have a LV foot all around. My everyday boot is a Hawx Ultra XTD 130 and i've had to take up volume in some areas.

I've narrowed it down to these 3 candidates, they're all a 99 mm nominal last so they should be the "LVest" options:
classic
drop kick
first chair

could any of these models work for me?

I have no idea what the difference is between the classic and the dropkick, but Im pretty sure its flex, and color. But having spending some time on both the first chair and dropkick with a 120 flex tongue, I would say they're fairly similar, and you're probably not going to tell a huge difference. I think the classic/dropkick skis a little (and I stress little) better, but doesnt have the rubber soles to make walking a little easier. Lastly - the "120" tongue definitely feels softer than other 120 flex boots I've been on, so if you spent substantial time on a Dalbello 120/130 I would get the stiffest available from FT/K2

[kootenayskier]

I know it's a pretty weird question but given what's going on with FT as a whole it might be interesting for other people as well.

There's a guy who owns a shop in my area who's doing a full closeout sale of FTboots. It's just the standard alpine models from the past 4-5 years, all brand new and pretty cheap (italy's not a huge market for cabrio boots).. I'm looking for a standard alpine model flexing like a 120-130, plan to use em inbounds with old bentchet 120. No plans of skiing park.

I have skied (and enjoyed) the KR pro and the older Lupos in the past so i generally jive well with cabrio designs also given my personal style+ preferences.
Only thing is I have a LV foot all around. My everyday boot is a Hawx Ultra XTD 130 and i've had to take up volume in some areas.

I've narrowed it down to these 3 candidates, they're all a 99 mm nominal last so they should be the "LVest" options:
classic
drop kick
first chair

could any of these models work for me?

The FT Classic and Dropkick both utilize the original “Raichle” molds, which fit my low volume feet and chicken legs like a glove. When I’ve tried any of the newer First Chair / Seth Pro / Konflict shapes, while being advertised as the same 99mm width, I feel lots extra unwanted volume in pretty much every dimension. Start with the Classics, as they’re a great all purpose cabrio boot, come with the 8 (120ish) tongues, and FT’s version of a power wrap liner. Dropkicks come with softer (6) tongues and lower quality tongue liners, though these can both be swapped out. Make sure you use a substantial custom footbed, both for support and to take up volume.

[oltrepiave]

that was some great advice, thank you guys.

so i'd definitely opt for classics at this point, really like the idea of the original mold coupled with the wrap liner.

guy's sent me the pictures and he's got both a classic "pro" (blue colored shell) as well as a classic "performance" model (orange colored shell). can't really find the differences online except a couple catalogues with some vague info.

once i figure out what the distinction is with those 2 i might pull the trigger.

i do have my own custom footbeds.

[FlimFlamvanHam]

that was some great advice, thank you guys.

so i'd definitely opt for classics at this point, really like the idea of the original mold coupled with the wrap liner.

guy's sent me the pictures and he's got both a classic "pro" (blue colored shell) as well as a classic "performance" model (orange colored shell). can't really find the differences online except a couple catalogues with some vague info.

once i figure out what the distinction is with those 2 i might pull the trigger.

i do have my own custom footbeds.

Wow, he's got an orange classic? Cool color. Hey, Classic Pro is the 8 tongue and "shock absorber" boot board and will have the newer metal "wide track" buckles. That orange classic has the older plastic buckles and a 6 flex tongue and a rigid boot board. Also, as kootenayskier pointed out, the Classic Pro has the top wrap liner that FT offers whereas that older orange classic will have what they called the performance wrap liner. It's better than the cheap tongue liners that come in the Drop Kicks now but the pro is a step up. Kinda. The older liners were much better than the new ones.

I am like kootenayskier in that I ski the classic (original) shells and find the First Chairs (Soul shell) to be much more volumous (that a word?) than simply the advertised bigger toe box only.

And what rfconroy said. A 12 flex tongue will still not feel like a Krypton 130. And that, to me, is a good thing. Nothing feels like a FT.

[babybear]

also if you are looking to stiffen the flex a bit more you can order a size larger than your shell size tongue. My husband claims that stiffens his flex a bit.
I dig the first chair fit because of the slight extra volume. With that solid heel buckle I can handle a bit more forefoot volume without sacrificing performance.
a bonus for aging messed up feet from too many years of too tight boots

[oltrepiave]

again, super helpful, thank you so much.

i still have some old intuition classic wraps that i bought and molded separately years ago which i could use.

I definitely do not need that harsh kr pro/old lupo flex so i'm not bothered by giving up stiffness. My XTD are definitely not a pure 130 flex anyway, they just fit me fine that's all.

I've checked the photos a bit and the orange ones should simply be Classics before they came up with the classic pro with those differences you guys mention. Kinda feel like the minimum stiffness for me would be a 8 tongue so that makes me lean more towards the pros.