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Thread: Do Binding Release Test FAILURES Ever "Fix" a Binding?

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    Do Binding Release Test FAILURES Ever "Fix" a Binding?

    I've never worked in a shop, and never performed an official standard Binding Release Test.

    Does this ever happen in shops?
    1) Full Test is performed, and Lateral Release Test fails miserably on first try, because the plastic Look/Rossi pivoting toe did not release until a failingly HIGH force was applied.
    2) After that, when a 2nd Full Test is performed, it passes just fine.

    Like, can the test itself "fix" a binding? Are there cases where longterm storage resulted in the plastic surfaces of the toe's moving parts sticking together, and the test itself got them unstuck by applying a high separating force, and then the binding passes fine for years after that?

    Basically, I want to know if I should retire this failing toe, or give it a 2nd chance...like maybe I can help it PASS by using my hands to move all the moving parts through their full range of motion...while DIN is set to zero spring tension. Or maybe the movement in Test#1 might have already fixed it?
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    I will delete this worthless thread if no one objects.

    THE ANSWER:
    Turns out the shop made a mistake, so the topic is moot.

    Turns out this shop simply didn't adjust FKS forward pressure properly before the binding release test, and didn't even deem it invalid that an FKS dildo had not popped up all the way (with boot inserted). WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin I View Post
    ...Are there cases where longterm storage resulted in the plastic surfaces of the toe's moving parts sticking together, and the test itself got them unstuck by applying a high separating force, and then the binding passes fine for years after that?...
    MY OBSERVATIONS:
    Last night, while trying to come up with possible explanations for the shop's test results, I fiddled with 4 plastic Look/Rossi toes (DIN=12), which had been stored longterm. I set their DIN low to 4, then used my hands to try to move the 2 toe wings. I observed that some (not all) movable surfaces were indeed "stuck", and required more finger force, until I heard a click that 'broke the seal", and after that they didn't stick again during that session. On 1 of 4 toes, my fingers were not strong enough to unstick one stuck surface between 2 toe wings, but a not-so-strong tap with a rubber mallet unstuck it easily---but that particular stuck surface would not be tested by the movements of a standard binding release test anyway. After finishing, I realized it might have been a better test to have done all that with DIN set to 0 instead of 4, but whatever.

    CONCLUSIONS:
    Yes, longterm one-time "stiction" seems to be a thing in Look/Rossi plastic toe wings.
    No, the magnitude of force required to unstick the stuck parts is probably very rarely high enough to result in a one-time failure in a binding release test.
    Yes, if a shop fails a binding that I expected would pass, then it's probably the shop that failed---not the binding, haha.

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    Buy full metal toe pivot 18s, quit over thinking and bitching. Go skiing and enjoy. If that doesn’t work. You’re a lame ass schooler.


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    Quote Originally Posted by altacoup View Post
    Buy full metal toe pivot 18s, quit over thinking and bitching. Go skiing and enjoy. If that doesn’t work. You’re a lame ass schooler.
    Hahaha. That's decent advice for buyers. I was the seller of the used bindings in this case, communicating with the faraway buyer, who paid a shop to mount and test the bindings. That buyer would have deserved a refund from me if the shop's test result had been valid. In the end, the buyer and I determined that the shop was merely incompetent and/or unethical, and so the binding is fine, and so the buyer does not want a refund from me.

    Yes, I overthought and bitched about having to overcome the negative value delivered by the ski shop industry. I'm guilty of giving the shop industry way too many 2nd chances, benefit of the doubt, etc. Maybe I should just assume shops are always wrong.

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