50 years to the day

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If Americans started doing that to mexicans or canadians, america would not tolerate thatbehavior.

“Uh hello, leroy? It’s Santa Anna. Call back from, República de Tejas... hey, u have to stop. Your spirits too childlike. Thinkings too simple. Your nature too infantile. They’ll kill u jenkins!!! Full chisel, watch out for that Sam Houston. He's a bad egg..”

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My reasoning is fine. It only develops a problem when you create a strawman that is in no way anything I've said. In fact, its the exact opposite of what I said.

Let me break it down like a fraction for you, leroy:

You're trying to "Both Sides" - to draw a false moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas/Palestine. That's why you have to pretend 10/7 and a decade of nightly rocket bombings didn't happen, to make your silly "Both Sides" bullshit.

And if Hamas and Israel are moral equals like you try to make out, they're equally justified/unjustified in whatever the fuck they do and you ain't got a goddamned thing to say about it.


So no, I'm not making a strawman. I am taking your point at face value and showing you how you're fucking up trying to argue that.

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Let me break it down like a fraction for you, leroy:

You're trying to "Both Sides" - to draw a false moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas/Palestine. That's why you have to pretend 10/7 and a decade of nightly rocket bombings didn't happen, to make your silly "Both Sides" bullshit.

Do you have any critiques of Israel regarding their actions post 10/7?

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They need to get to 100% anti ballistic missile capability.

[leroy jenkins]

“Uh hello, leroy? It’s Santa Anna. Call back from, República de Tejas... hey, u have to stop. Your spirits too childlike. Thinkings too simple. Your nature too infantile. They’ll kill u jenkins!!! Full chisel, watch out for that Sam Houston. He's a bad egg..”

Extremely different situation, shall I list the fucking ways dumbass? One, that was looooong before any sort of international rule of law, Israel has continually agreed to not expand settlements and continued to do so, texas was a far flung ungovernable frontier for the mexican government which ad been torn appart by revolution and couldn't even keep itself functioning in its core, and mexicans to this day hate santa anna and revile him as a tyrant.

Yea, I get you want to simplify everything into absurdity.

[leroy jenkins]

Let me break it down like a fraction for you, leroy:

You're trying to "Both Sides" - to draw a false moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas/Palestine. That's why you have to pretend 10/7 and a decade of nightly rocket bombings didn't happen, to make your silly "Both Sides" bullshit.

And if Hamas and Israel are moral equals like you try to make out, they're equally justified/unjustified in whatever the fuck they do and you ain't got a goddamned thing to say about it.


So no, I'm not making a strawman. I am taking your point at face value and showing you how you're fucking up trying to argue that.

Nolet me break it down for you, you're engaging in this BPD level of binary thinking where you think just because hamas is bad israel is justified in anything. you can say 'both sides' all you want, but neither side has any moral high ground.

And no, I don't have to pretend like 10/7 didn't happen. I'm not doing that, and that IS a strawman, its a really weak pathetically stupid one, as I repeatedly contradict it.

You do have BPD huh? this is retardation levels of misperception of reality.

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Leroy - Please define "Moral high ground".

Why must it be leveled? That is, why must you take pains to assert over and over that "Neither side has any moral high ground"? Like a carping carp, Carp carp carping on an undefined unsatisfying unproductive carp modality.

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Yea, I get you want to simplify everything into absurdity.

Wait, what? If leroy LARP-ing into the Israel/Hamas/hezbollah/Iran discussion like a panda bear with a Glock taped to his paw wandering into a pit bull fight after watching a handful of TikTok videos isn't absurdity, then I don't know what is?

[J. Barron DeJong]

“Ah, well, nevertheless.

The Biden administration has determined that three military battalions with the Israel Defense Forces committed "gross human rights violations" against Palestinian civilians in the West Bank but will remain eligible for U.S. military aid regardless because of steps Israel says it's taking to address the problem, ABC News has learned.

I see:

Between the lines: Israel expressed grave concern during the talks that a State Department determination that the Netzah Yehuda battalion committed human rights violations in the West Bank that were not dealt with by the IDF would increase the likelihood the International Criminal Court would issue arrest warrants Israeli soldiers and officers, the Israeli official said.

Can't be any consequences, or there could be consequences!”

https://www.eschatonblog.com/2024/04...tions.html?m=1

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy - Please define "Moral high ground".

Why must it be leveled? That is, why must you take pains to assert over and over that "Neither side has any moral high ground"? Like a carping carp, Carp carp carping on an undefined unsatisfying unproductive carp modality.

Becausethey are both committing human rights abuses and atrocities? Pretty freaking simple answer there. You act like its some sort of mental gymnastics, you're the one who has to distort reality. Its pretty simple, they're both committing human rights abuses.

[leroy jenkins]

“Ah, well, nevertheless.[FONT="][/FONT]

The Biden administration has determined that three military battalions with the Israel Defense Forces committed "gross human rights violations" against Palestinian civilians in the West Bank but will remain eligible for U.S. military aid regardless because of steps Israel says it's taking to address the problem, ABC News has learned.

I see:[FONT="][/FONT]

Between the lines: Israel expressed grave concern during the talks that a State Department determination that the Netzah Yehuda battalion committed human rights violations in the West Bank that were not dealt with by the IDF would increase the likelihood the International Criminal Court would issue arrest warrants Israeli soldiers and officers, the Israeli official said.

Can't be any consequences, or there could be consequences!”

https://www.eschatonblog.com/2024/04...tions.html?m=1

The steps israel is taking, are mostly to make sure thereare no more palestinians. If there are no more palestinians, you can't violate their rights.

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Leroy the savant—emphasis on the idiot.

The battalions in question are made up almost exclusively of orthodox men, not more broadly men and women from all aspects of Israel's society. They were operating not like professional soldiers but as local militias in the West Bank, whereas most battalions in the IDF undergo regular rotations every several months. In January 2023 the IDF moved the Netzah Yehuda battalion out of the West Bank, censured the battalion, dismissed commanders, barred them from command, and four soldiers face ongoing criminal charges.

The issue of orthodox service is contentious in Israel. The IDF prefers to integrate Haredim into regular IDF units but as things stand orthodox Jews in Israel tend not to serve. When they do it's in units that don't allow female soldiers and also require orthodox rabbis with similar backgrounds.

When it comes to Leroy's slander that Israel is making "sure thereare no more Palestinians," in reality Arab-Palestinian-Israeli citizens, more than 20% of the population, thrive in a democracy. In contrast, Hamas and the PLO explicitly said their goal is to kill or drive all Jews from Israel so that none remain in the Middle East.

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy the savant—emphasis on the idiot.

The battalions in question are made up almost exclusively of orthodox men, not more broadly men and women from all aspects of Israel's society. They were operating not like professional soldiers but as local militias in the West Bank, whereas most battalions in the IDF undergo regular rotations every several months. In January 2023 the IDF moved the Netzah Yehuda battalion out of the West Bank, censured the battalion, dismissed commanders, barred them from command, and four soldiers face ongoing criminal charges.

The issue of orthodox service is contentious in Israel. The IDF prefers to integrate Haredim into regular IDF units but as things stand orthodox Jews in Israel tend not to serve. When they do it's in units that don't allow female soldiers and also require orthodox rabbis with similar backgrounds.

When it comes to Leroy's slander that Israel is making "sure thereare no more Palestinians," in reality Arab-Palestinian-Israeli citizens, more than 20% of the population, thrive in a democracy. In contrast, Hamas and the PLO explicitly said their goal is to kill or drive all Jews from Israel so that none remain in the Middle East.

Its hyperbole not slander.

Amd your mental gymnastics about whatever these battalions are or are not hardly seems very relevant. THe israli government has had an official policy of disregarding international law, their own prior agreements, and the rights of palestinians, for decades. How does whatever rambling about the makeup of these battalions contradict this in any way?

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It's a lie, not hyperbole. And the issue of defacto militias is especially relevant since leroy has for years had a kill boner for fighting with militias in America against other Americans. Pew! Pew! Of course, according to him, "I'd be on the right side anways" It's also relevant b/c Israel is prosecuting the offenders.

Palestinians and Arabs are able to safely live and work in Israel. No Jews are safe in Gaza or the West Bank without armed protection. Under proposed Two-State solutions Israel would continue as a multicultural multi-ethnic state versus the current Palestinian governments which say, if they have their way, there will be no Jews allowed in either territory.

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Becausethey are both committing human rights abuses and atrocities? Pretty freaking simple answer there. You act like its some sort of mental gymnastics, you're the one who has to distort reality. Its pretty simple, they're both committing human rights abuses.

You're a simple son of a sad liar Leroy.

Why do you want to lie and change the subject like a little weak bitch when I point out where you are a dumbass?


10/7 was a pre-planned atrocity, top to bottom start to finish - Palestine fucked around until they started this war and now Palestine is finding out why fucking around is fucking up.

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Still, 30+ thousand Palestiniens dead in 6 months, and 10k Ukrainians (civilians) in 2 years.

As heinous the Russian attack was, obviously Israel is a lot less concerned about killing civilians.

This lie told by Rod has been repeatedly debunked in this thread. There are hundreds of thousands of missing Ukrainian civilians many of them in mass graves seen in satellite photos. In Mariupol alone there are estimates of upwards of 100,000 civilian casualties. Russia has been very blunt and explicit in proclaiming its intentions.

So who is committing genocide? It's China, Russia, and Iran. Yet folks like Rod & Leroy believe Israel is uniquely evil despite the Gaza health administration recently admitting it exaggerated civilian deaths by 10,000 out of Rod's 30,000. And around half of those now reported 20,000 deaths are Hamas terrorists. Few other countries have managed such a low ratio of militants to civilians in an urban environment.

Every human life is precious and every violent death a tragedy. That doesn't change the fact charges of genocide emerged before Israel even responded to Hamas' intentional genocidal Einsatzgruppen documented in real time with GoPros. Accusations of Israeli genocide against Palestinians went mainstream before the IDF entered Gaza.

If leroy and Rod applied their improbable invented claims of genocide equally not just to Israel, then there would be no military action anywhere that couldn't be called genocide. When it comes to discussing Israel’s actions in war and peace, the world creates new meaning for existing words, and simply invents others.


https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04...casualty-data/

[leroy jenkins]

It's a lie, not hyperbole. And the issue of defacto militias is especially relevant since leroy has for years had a kill boner for fighting with militias in America against other Americans. Pew! Pew! Of course, according to him, "I'd be on the right side anways" It's also relevant b/c Israel is prosecuting the offenders.

Palestinians and Arabs are able to safely live and work in Israel. No Jews are safe in Gaza or the West Bank without armed protection. Under proposed Two-State solutions Israel would continue as a multicultural multi-ethnic state versus the current Palestinian governments which say, if they have their way, there will be no Jews allowed in either territory.

Can you find one comment I've ever made that is in any way bloodthirsty? Go find it. I'll wait. You say this 'for years...' bullshit. Its a made up imaginary bullshit. I abhor violence, and although I see it as necessary or expedient in this world, you will never catch me drooling over war porn and celebrating the demise of my fellow humans, unlike a lot of you people.

I really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. This is all justword salad.

[leroy jenkins]

This lie told by Rod has been repeatedly debunked in this thread. There are hundreds of thousands of missing Ukrainian civilians many of them in mass graves seen in satellite photos. In Mariupol alone there are estimates of upwards of 100,000 civilian casualties. Russia has been very blunt and explicit in proclaiming its intentions.

So who is committing genocide? It's China, Russia, and Iran. Yet folks like Rod & Leroy believe Israel is uniquely evil despite the Gaza health administration recently admitting it exaggerated civilian deaths by 10,000 out of Rod's 30,000. And around half of those now reported 20,000 deaths are Hamas terrorists. Few other countries have managed such a low ratio of militants to civilians in an urban environment.

Every human life is precious and every violent death a tragedy. That doesn't change the fact charges of genocide emerged before Israel even responded to Hamas' intentional genocidal Einsatzgruppen documented in real time with GoPros. Accusations of Israeli genocide against Palestinians went mainstream before the IDF entered Gaza.

If leroy and Rod applied their improbable invented claims of genocide equally not just to Israel, then there would be no military action anywhere that couldn't be called genocide. When it comes to discussing Israel’s actions in war and peace, the world creates new meaning for existing words, and simply invents others.


https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04...casualty-data/

When have I said Israel is uniquely evil and avoided criticism of china etc?

I've done the exact opposite. You really need these strawmen to cope with reality don't you?


Yes, I'm sure israels indiscrimate bombing has somehow managed to just hit terrorists and no women or kids. REally amazing. Just the greatest just the best ever.

[leroy jenkins]

You're a simple son of a sad liar Leroy.

Why do you want to lie and change the subject like a little weak bitch when I point out where you are a dumbass?


10/7 was a pre-planned atrocity, top to bottom start to finish - Palestine fucked around until they started this war and now Palestine is finding out why fucking around is fucking up.

How am I lying? Go ahead andspell it out. I've already demonstrated repeatedly that you lie about the things I and others say. Great yea 10/7 was bad mmmmkay.

[leroy jenkins]

It's a lie, not hyperbole. And the issue of defacto militias is especially relevant since leroy has for years had a kill boner for fighting with militias in America against other Americans. Pew! Pew! Of course, according to him, "I'd be on the right side anways" It's also relevant b/c Israel is prosecuting the offenders.

Palestinians and Arabs are able to safely live and work in Israel. No Jews are safe in Gaza or the West Bank without armed protection. Under proposed Two-State solutions Israel would continue as a multicultural multi-ethnic state versus the current Palestinian governments which say, if they have their way, there will be no Jews allowed in either territory.

NO its hyperbole, its based in reality, and is an obvious exaggeration for effect. Thats what hyperbole is. A lie is an attempt to outright deceive, so if someone is claiming a statement they're making is hyperbole, it literally cannot be a lie by definition. They're admitting its exaggerated for effect, therefore they cannot actually be trying to deceive.

Do you need to take a minute to understand what these words mean? Maybe go get a dictionary?


Andyeaagain, great, palestine isn't some accepting liberal utopia. Never said it was. My country also isn't supplying the same level of aid especially military aid to palestine as they are to israel.

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How am I lying? Go ahead andspell it out. I've already demonstrated repeatedly that you lie about the things I and others say. Great yea 10/7 was bad mmmmkay.

Oh you think it was good?


Or are you just saying it ain't nothing to you and you don't get why people make such a big deal over it?


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../104262569.cms

[leroy jenkins]

Oh you think it was good?


Or are you just saying it ain't nothing to you and you don't get why people make such a big deal over it?


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../104262569.cms

I literally keep saying its bad and you keep reading that I'm saying its good? THis is a clear sign of mental illness for you. I'm not even trying to be a dick. I literally keep saying it was bad, have done nothing to defend hamas, refuse to defend hamas, and you keep reading that I'm defending hamas. You lack a basic grasp on reality.

THe sarcasm of 'badmmmkay' wasn't about it not being bad, but about the stupidity of you needing to sayit was bad like you're making some kind of statement. Its like a politician running for office and saying Ithink there should be less crime and poverty. Duh, no one is going to run for office on thepolicy of more crime and more poverty.


SO again, how am I lying? its not worth interacting with you. Some peopel use the expression that you can't argue with someone who would argue thatthe sky isn't blue, but this is even worse, you keep asserting that I'm saying the sky is green or some shit.

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Can you find one comment I've ever made that is in any way bloodthirsty? Go find it. I'll wait. You say this 'for years...' bullshit. Its a made up imaginary bullshit. I abhor violence, and although I see it as necessary or expedient in this world, you will never catch me drooling over war porn and celebrating the demise of my fellow humans, unlike a lot of you people.

I really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. This is all justword salad.

I quoted leroy directly in the post above. In various gun discussions over the years leroy fantasized about fighting a civil war in America. Fighting tyranny and all that.... leroy also laughably argues all anyone needs to defeat the Russian or American army is small arms.

When have I said Israel is uniquely evil and avoided criticism of china etc?

Quoting leroy again lying about Israel trying to erase all Palestinians: "The steps israel is taking, are mostly to make sure thereare no more palestinians. If there are no more palestinians, you can't violate their rights. " as well as "Israelis, are largely supporting genocide."

One of the side of effects of leroys's Rohypnol abuse is he can't remember one post from the next.

[RoooR]

Least radical campus protest leader: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/n...t-zionism.html
Columbia University announced on Friday that it had barred from its campus a leader in the pro-Palestinian student protest encampment who declared on video in January that “Zionists don’t deserve to live.”

Video of the incendiary comments resurfaced online Thursday evening, forcing the school to again confront an issue at the core of the conflict rippling across campuses nationwide: the tension between pro-Palestinian activism and antisemitism.

The student, Khymani James, made the comments during and after a disciplinary hearing with Columbia administrators that he recorded and then posted on Instagram.

The hearing, conducted by an administrator of the university’s Center for Student Success and Intervention, was focused on an earlier comment he shared on social media, in which he discussed fighting a Zionist. “I don’t fight to injure or for there to be a winner or a loser, I fight to kill,” he wrote.

A Columbia administrator asked, “Do you see why that is problematic in any way?”

Mr. James replied, “No.”
The hearing was in January! If he had said these things about any other group of people in the world is there any doubt he would have been expelled immediately?

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I literally keep saying its bad and you keep reading that I'm saying its good?

You literally keep saying "Neither side has the moral high ground", like Israel is just as bad as Hamas.



That's a lie leroy, and if you can't give it up you can't be said to be discussing anything in good faith.














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