Preseason Quiver Wax Strategy Thread

[SumJongGuy]

Went through the main frontside skis today and waxed as needed.
Here's what I went with for the following:

Salomon 1080=Universal
CoreUPT Lunatic=Universal
K2 Cabrawler=Universal/Warm mixed

Salomon Lab GS=Cold
Head SuperShape iWorldcup=Cold

Elan M777 (87 waist version)=Universal
Elan M999=Universal

K2 World Piste (Tele)=Warm

All ready to rock (no pun intended except for the 1080s)

Hope I remember to scrape before clicking in..

Anybody else ironing skis?

[nickel]

based on obsessive predictive and overcomplicated waxing strategy as well as seeming randomness and a total lack of recognizable competitor products I predict there's a 75% chance this is guerrilla marketing for dps phantom. high post count is confusing the algorithm.

If a genuine post, then congratulations on making me question life. Good job killing down season time though.

[XXX-er]

what wax for early season rocks, stumps, alders on skis with a core shot that I could givafuckabout ?

[cmcrawfo]

I generally go for the paraffin wax treatment once or twice a year.

Some people I know don’t even bother to scrape. But that’s just a bit to pedestrian for me.

[SumJongGuy]

I generally go for the paraffin wax treatment once or twice a year.

Some people I know don’t even bother to scrape. But that’s just a bit to pedestrian for me.

The first turn in to the corral is kinda sketchy but unless it's super hard cold wax, the edges ski clean within a run or two.

[Vitamin I]

...Anybody else ironing skis?

Your 8 pairs yesterday beat my 7 pairs edged & waxed yesterday. I'm living in my car this season, so I waxed in a vacant storage unit next to mine. I waited for a warm-ish sunny day to warm up the bases a bit. My inside-the-car PVC ski shelves worked OK as a low outside workbench. No waxing strategy for me---just universal Hertel Super Hot Sauce wax on all my skis. But on hot grabby Spring days, I also apply Zardoz liquid a few times throughout the day if necessary. I never scrape my bases, but sometimes I scrape wax off the metal edges. Today I'm gonna go ski more Summit County WROD's, after "wasting" the past 2 sunny days tuning all day (total 15 pairs edged & waxed).



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[EWG]

I'm with ya. Just did 6 pairs and a snowboard for our 4 person family. Total production line. All universal cause fuck it it's November:

Line Sick Day 110
Line Supernatural 92
Line Futurespin
Line Pandora 95
Faction Candide 3.0
Faction Prodigy W
Stupid snowboard for when my daughter is not on her Prodigys

I waxed and did a little edging, kids scraped and brushed. Perfect. Actually a pretty fun family hour or two. Highly recommend.

[detuned]

wax, scrape edges night before

only scrape n brush base if skins going on

[full_zirkel]

I generally store through the Summer with a thick coat of my anticipated early season wax, then do a quick hot scrape AND BRUSH (brass > nylon) before the snow flies.

[Jong Lafitte]

Your 8 pairs yesterday beat my 7 pairs edged & waxed yesterday. I'm living in my car this season, so I waxed in a vacant storage unit next to mine. I waited for a warm-ish sunny day to warm up the bases a bit. My inside-the-car PVC ski shelves worked OK as a low outside workbench. No waxing strategy for me---just universal Hertel Super Hot Sauce wax on all my skis. But on hot grabby Spring days, I also apply Zardoz liquid a few times throughout the day if necessary. I never scrape my bases, but sometimes I scrape wax off the metal edges. Today I'm gonna go ski more Summit County WROD's, after "wasting" the past 2 sunny days tuning all day (total 15 pairs edged & waxed).



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what multi guide is that? Is that your go-to for the edges? If its good enough for the library, its good enough for me. I only have three sets I'm skiing on, but as luck has it, they all have different edge angles.

I need to start deburring and waxing my own stuff. I have no tools, decided my edges were good enough and used some Faststik (i found from the phantom DPS thread, lol) on the bases. Then I promptly skied over a bunch of rocks and now the edges arent as good. The Faststick seemed pretty good. Applied the stuff but I didn't clean the bases. I polished them as the directions say and but it still looked kinda powdery and dry but felt slick. Glide was good enough for me and after two runs, the bases looked a lot less dry and powdery.

[detuned]

I need to start deburring and waxing my own stuff.

yep

specially when ya quiver starts to grow

pay someone to handle all yer skis - sickening

[Jong Lafitte]

yep

specially when ya quiver starts to grow

pay someone to handle all yer skis - sickening

I'll be lucky to get 30 days in this season and I'm just trying to maintain three sets of skis and staying in bounds. I keep wondering if something like this would last me a while for my needs, looks like what Vitamin I is using maybe:

https://www.racewax.com/racewax-stay...ds-gummi-more/

Everybody says get the solid ones but then I have to fucking buy three and so on and so on.

[SumJongGuy]

yep

specially when ya quiver starts to grow

pay someone to handle all yer skis - sickening

Honestly, unless you're skiing on injected ice and competing for hundreths of seconds, the tuning doesn't have to be "perfect" or even all that good. Sharp, deburred edges with appropriate temperature wax is all most of us really need. Yes, it's fun to geek out and try different edge bevels out, mix wax, brush it super smooth, etc, but that's really overkill for recreational and soft snow skiing.

[EWG]

The the tool I use. Works fine.

I'll be lucky to get 30 days in this season and I'm just trying to maintain three sets of skis and staying in bounds. I keep wondering if something like this would last me a while for my needs, looks like what Vitamin I is using maybe:

https://www.racewax.com/racewax-stay...ds-gummi-more/

Everybody says get the solid ones but then I have to fucking buy three and so on and so on.

[Vitamin I]

...looks like what Vitamin I is using maybe:

https://www.racewax.com/racewax-stay...ds-gummi-more/

Everybody says get the solid ones but then I have to fucking buy three and so on and so on.

With all the pro tuning experts here on this forum, it's silly for me to be offering tuning advice. But yeah, that plasticky multi-guide is good enough for me. (Keep in mind I pretty much never strive to lay down 100% perfect FIS racing carves.) I strongly doubt that the "2 degree" setting on such a plasticky tool actually delivers an accurate 2 degree bevel, but I can definitely feel the increased edge-grip performance on the hill after I increase the side bevel setting from "1 degree" to "2 degrees", or from "2 degrees" to "3 degrees"---so I'm saying "it works".

All the items in that package in the link---that's overkill for me. For diamond stones, I don't need a set---I only need one for deburring (I choose 1 black coarse stone). Every time I tune edges, I always hope that merely "spot deburring" is enough, and I do that with the diamond stone in my hand (not in the plastic multi-guide). I always hope to minimize use of the file (and multi-guide), because it removes metal. So I only use the file (and multi-guide) after I feel obvious dissatisfaction with poor grip on the hill. Dissatisfaction like "Yesterday my grip wasn't good enough on the scraped bald spots of the bulletproof WROD's", or "Yesterday my grip was scary on steep entrances, and tomorrow I plan to face my fears on a specific steep entrance, where I want extra grip for control and confidence." I like the idea of 1/1 bevels for base and side all winter long, but to address dissatisfaction on bulletproof WROD's etc, I sometimes increase side bevel to 2 degrees. Very rare for me to increase it to 3 for a specific short-term objective. I also have a rubbery gummi, about as soft as a pencil eraser, which I sometimes use to clean off any rust before I ship my used skis to buyers. That's about it for my edge tools.

When the base edge is already bevelled, sometimes that multi-guide (with file) won't bite much on the base edge, especially when I'm tuning without a proper workbench and can't get good leverage. When that happens, I just accept it and then move on to the side edge, which bites every time and makes the edges plenty sharp.

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