2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

[macon]

I'm on the current mvp (108 waist, granite countertop looking topsheet) mounted on the line (-6 from center).

I'm happy with them there, although occasionally I feel like there's not quite enough tip in front of me. Interestingly, I mostly get that at slower speeds when the (relatively soft) tip hangs on something for a split second before the (much stiffer) underfoot area pushes through. At speed, I haven't had any issues. I also haven't felt like there's an excessive amount of tail behind me, which is something I get with some of the more progressively mounted skis.

I have the exact same review of the FRS at slower speeds. The tails sometimes hang up a bit until you can push thru, but at high speeds no problems whatsoever. That's when they *really* come alive, and that's when they absolutely rip.

I'm actually planning on remounting my FRS -1cm from the line (where they are currently) to further remedy this on that manky snow. Will be using quiver killers, so if I hate it and I can go back.

This gives me pause for the MVP because I want to use the MVP for lower snow days than my FRS's, which also usually means more bumps/tighter trees. Seems like a skinny Quixote could be the remedy for that slow speed dilemma, even at the line.

Never skied a skinny Q or skinny GPO, but as usual, I typically agree with what Toast has to say, my first thought is that I really do not think that GPO design lends itself to a fun -1 at all. And, yeah, the MVP is stellar and probably the best pick for this spot, but honestly I think a skinny Q would be fun as fuck! Like Nick says, no, probably not as versatile. Probably not going to fit in the quiver as well, maybe not going to get skied as often. On hard days you’ll probably want something more traditional, on big snow days you’ll probably want something bigger, but if you live somewhere the snow is usually at least soft, I think they could really be a fucking riot that might just get a ton of use. I just love the design, that inside edge is really solid, outside edge is super quick, the rocker profile is absolutely dialed (low and slow), and that multi radius sidecut really lets you cut whatever size arc you want, hell I even think they’re fun to ride switch. So yeah, from a well thought out, super versatile ski that I will definitely use a lot perspective, the MVP makes the most since for sure. From a, I really want to try something different that really might be fun as fuck perspective, hell yes I think the skinny Quixote would be a great experiment.

Fuck yeah. You may have just convinced me for Skinny Q.
Whatcha think, enduro core, #4 flex, and veneer (I regret not getting the veneer on my FRS).

[Duffman]

I have the exact same review of the FRS at slower speeds. The tails sometimes hang up a bit until you can push thru, but at high speeds no problems whatsoever. That's when they *really* come alive, and that's when they absolutely rip.

I'm actually planning on remounting my FRS -1cm from the line (where they are currently) to further remedy this on that manky snow. Will be using quiver killers, so if I hate it and I can go back.

This gives me pause for the MVP because I want to use the MVP for lower snow days than my FRS's, which also usually means more bumps/tighter trees. Seems like a skinny Quixote could be the remedy for that slow speed dilemma, even at the line.



Fuck yeah. You may have just convinced me for Skinny Q.
Whatcha think, enduro core, #4 flex, and veneer (I regret not getting the veneer on my FRS).

The only thing that's given me pause on a Skinny Q is I remember Keith mentioning that the benefits of the asymmetry decrease as the width decreases. So you get all the hassle of an asym ski (one effective inside edge to schralp , can't switch skis in that case) for maybe limited benefit

[macon]

The only thing that's given me pause on a Skinny Q is I remember Keith mentioning that the benefits of the asymmetry decrease as the width decreases. So you get all the hassle of an asym ski (one effective inside edge to schralp , can't switch skis in that case) for maybe limited benefit

I don't think that was Keith, I think you might be remembering what Iggy with ON3P said - that the benefit diminishes with a skinnier waist. Keith said he thinks there would still be benefit to be had on an asym ski even on a Skinny Q. He actually did a run of a few Skinny Q's a few years ago that people seemed to really like.

Either way, you make a good point. I think I'd be fine with having a dedicated left/right ski however.

[N1CK.]

I had Piste Jibs (will forever regret selling those) on the line, and loved them
My MVP are the '21 vintage, HH/C, 3+ flex, mounted just fwd barley 1cm, love them.
GPOs were mounted on the line for a 325, new boots are 315 so slightly fwd and love those too.
current Protests on the line.

I'm starting to think I get along better with slight fwd mounts than I realized.

[toast2266]

This gives me pause for the MVP because I want to use the MVP for lower snow days than my FRS's, which also usually means more bumps/tighter trees. Seems like a skinny Quixote could be the remedy for that slow speed dilemma, even at the line.

I definitely don't want to overstate the hang up issue. It's more of a curiosity that I noticed a bit the first handful of days I had on the ski. Now that I've got more time on them, it's barely even something I notice.

I also attribute it more to the flex pattern of the ski than the shape. Not sure how much different the Quixote flex profile is.

[macon]

I definitely don't want to overstate the hang up issue. It's more of a curiosity that I noticed a bit the first handful of days I had on the ski. Now that I've got more time on them, it's barely even something I notice.

I also attribute it more to the flex pattern of the ski than the shape. Not sure how much different the Quixote flex profile is.

Gotcha, yeah, it's probably more routinely evident on my fatter FRS (aka +1mvp). It's not a major problem for me, but it certainly isn't forgiving in tight trees if there's mank. Put a lot of days on the FRS in the past 2 years, and holy hell are they durable. Love the ski, but sometimes I still get that lil unwanted surprise which I bet a minus1 mount would remedy.

I'll talk to Keith more about this regarding a SkinnyQ vs MVP, but I feel like I have my thoughts more dialed now after spitballing with you guys. Much appreciated fellas

[grinch]

I had Piste Jibs (will forever regret selling those) on the line, and loved them
My MVP are the '21 vintage, HH/C, 3+ flex, mounted just fwd barley 1cm, love them.
GPOs were mounted on the line for a 325, new boots are 315 so slightly fwd and love those too.
current Protests on the line.

I'm starting to think I get along better with slight fwd mounts than I realized.

That helps a lot. All skis ive had. Looks like im -1 from yours. I can't count how many times ive looked at mvp's over the years. Thanks

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[SchralphMacchio]

Speaking of MVP and ON3P ... anyone ever try MVP (108/9) and Woods (110/108)? I would love to hear a comparo.

I've always been intrigued with MVPs. Current size jump from 173 to 183 is a hassle for me, as at 5' 8" / 140 and not a rad skier I'm happier at 177-180 tip-tail ... I can make longer sizes work but flexes start to feel prohibitive to me. Ended up finding some 177 Woods 108s for my PNW inbounds daily driver (not shitfuck, not deep) and I'm like 95% happy with them for this application, though the stiff tails require me to ski perfectly and aggressively when wet snow starts to get packed/firm/evening refreeze. Seems like if I ever wanted to try the 183 MVPs I might be looking at a custom #3 or 2.5 flex ...

[toast2266]

^^^ I wouldn't call the stock flex on the mvp's particularly demanding. They're decently stiff under foot, but the tips and tails are quite a bit softer. The stiff part is *just* long enough that they're stable through chop and don't feel like noodles. And the soft tips and tails run *just* deep enough to make them easy to work around at slower speeds (and also help with the float in pow).

[grinch]

180 on3p measures the same as a 183 praxis. I wanted my 183 pj's a bit shorter just not 173 but a 183 mvp would fit me i think

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[SchralphMacchio]

Cool, that number 4 scared me off.

I sold my 182 flex 3 + veneer (so 3.5?) GPOs to N1ck because the flex ramp on those didn’t work out for me in packed wet snow, but then I later found out that the walk mechanism on my 11 year old 50/50 boots was fucked up and the flex pattern (or lack thereof, then slopping right into a wall) was causing me lack of suspension. Might have been able to keep those skis with my new boots lol.

[grinch]

Not sure how true it is but i thought my veneers added stiffness? Mightve been my set up

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[SchralphMacchio]

I meant flex 3, and veneer. I’ve heard the commentary about veneer adding stiffness so that’s why I said maybe 3.5, meaning effectively. I don’t have enough Praxis experience to say if that’s true or not.

[grinch]

Ok good to know i vaguely recall that discussion but i did wonder if thats the case

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[eskido]

Fuck yeah. You may have just convinced me for Skinny Q.
Whatcha think, enduro core, #4 flex, and veneer (I regret not getting the veneer on my FRS).

Personally, I’d go heavy hitter

[ex-powderbroker]

scralph- i have a few pounds on you but never found the low 180ish mtn jib or mvp to be too much ski and i know you got a tiny taste of the raspberry bramble and beech forests we call glades around here.

i know it’s not rad to have a short ski but i can overstate how psyched i am to get back on my 176 96 mvp’s from 2021 after skiing the 180 bc the last ten or so days. i just have so much fun on that ski.

has anyone been on the 96 that can compare it to the 108?

i’m thinking next time there’s a sale i’ll throw some pins on that one and call it a quiver.

this whole thing about base bevel is kind of intriguing because i still don’t think that the bc is entirely dialed. i was planning on dropping it off at a shop with the fanciest wintersteiger. buttah ran some underperforming skis of mine through one of those a few years ago at his shop and they were supercharged after and basically became my daily drivers for a decade.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Skinny Q = best all around Colorado ski I've skied.

The rocker profile and the multi radius are just $$$

Me...old school but still better than you

6/0 175
188 flex 4

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[macon]

Skinny Q = best all around Colorado ski I've skied.

The rocker profile and the multi radius are just $$$

Me...old school but still better than you

6/0 175
188 flex 4

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rad

Personally, I’d go heavy hitter

hmm I'll bounce that off keith too. I want it to be playful, but who says HH can't be playful

[Duffman]

rad



hmm I'll bounce that off keith too. I want it to be playful, but who says HH can't be playful

Interesting . My Q is 4 flex /Enduro / veneer. I feel like the veneer adds damping bc these are way damper than my old GPO. I wonder how much weight the HH core adds to a 108 Q. I also wonder if it would be overly redundant to have both, rather than a different shaped 10x ski.

[f=ma]

Hey guys, thanks for all the guidance on the GPO's I purchased, but after skiing them in the bowls at Whistler, I think my fat ass would definitely prefer the 187's. I have posted for sale in gear swap if anyone is interested.

[YaBoyBlue]

Speaking of MVP and ON3P ... anyone ever try MVP (108/9) and Woods (110/108)? I would love to hear a comparo.

I've always been intrigued with MVPs. Current size jump from 173 to 183 is a hassle for me, as at 5' 8" / 140 and not a rad skier I'm happier at 177-180 tip-tail ... I can make longer sizes work but flexes start to feel prohibitive to me. Ended up finding some 177 Woods 108s for my PNW inbounds daily driver (not shitfuck, not deep) and I'm like 95% happy with them for this application, though the stiff tails require me to ski perfectly and aggressively when wet snow starts to get packed/firm/evening refreeze. Seems like if I ever wanted to try the 183 MVPs I might be looking at a custom #3 or 2.5 flex ...

I had an older MVP110, woods108, Wildcat 108 and have been chasing that high until I got on the MVP108. New MVP design works better in more conditions, and the flex pattern is rounder then the Woods108 so a #4 praxis is still a softer tail (but in a balanced way, as opposed the the “gotta be on it” Woods tail, which is why I got rid of it).

[SchralphMacchio]

Thanks that’s really helpful info!

I just lined up a 182 Woods 110 to try side by side against my 177 Woods 108. I guess the WD110s are really that much softer in the tail than the 108, so it seemed worth trying a 182 (plus used 177s are really hard to come by).

I would love to also try them side by side against a 183 MVP 108!

[mr_pretzel]

Anyone have thoughts on a flex 5 vs flex 4 for MVPs and GPOs? HH core no carbon ofcourse.

[tgapp]

Anyone have thoughts on a flex 5 vs flex 4 for MVPs and GPOs? HH core no carbon ofcourse.

I have 187gpos in flex 4 MAP core and they have slowly grown on me over time. Still not my go to ski for deep untracked but they are quite versatile and make for a great resort powder ski. I am 155lbs, 6' tall, and ski with a relatively centered stance. It might be my mount point on them (a little forward) but I wish they were just a little more traditional with how much ski is in front of the binding

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[jmills]

I have 187gpos in flex 4 MAP core and they have slowly grown on me over time. Still not my go to ski for deep untracked but they are quite versatile and make for a great resort powder ski. I am 155lbs, 6' tall, and ski with a relatively centered stance. It might be my mount point on them (a little forward) but I wish they were just a little more traditional with how much ski is in front of the binding

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I have the same ski (veneer) mounted -1 and have been using it as my DD this season at AltaBird. I’ve been comfy enough on them that I’ve left my 192 4 flex Protest home on some deeper days.
The GPO has Pivots set for a 309 BSL, if you are close to the 309 you can take them out to try the -1.