Electric Bike Thread

[JayPowHound]

but that is the incorrect kit for this app an old/ fat tester/ bermuda shorts/ white socks/ sandals/ banging a Marlboro would be more appropo

Hence my interest...

[Vt-Freeheel]

I like how the guy stands most of the time in the video even though none of the terrain is unseated rated.
I think the cheesy suspension would bottom out over the smallest ripple. And possibly the fork could just snap off.

[summit]

OMG Relay is amazing

[meter-man]

OMG Relay is amazing

Which did you get? And why so amazing? Been looking at a Repeater.

Would love to hear any comparisons to other Eebs too if you’ve tried any.


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[summit]

Relay PNW. I wanted big travel MX, light, and quiet.

I mean, I only have two rides in, one with the battery one without. I gotta tune the suspension, made the fork too stiff and I need a littler heavier spring.

It's so quiet going up and down that the tires on dirt are louder than any motor noise unless you are pavement! Battery usage appears great... I used 30-40% for 2000ft in turbo mode.

It's relatively light, it carries speed well, corners well, geo is great it rides very similar to my Spire except in the air where you can feel it is an emtb. In fact, when the battery was out, it felt like I was riding a Spire with just a few more pounds aboard. There is no pedal drag.

If you don't absolutely need the EP8, the Relay is lighter, has geo to my liking, can MX (or not), and is quiet.

The Repeater on clearance is a damn good deal though and has more power if you ride with other full power riders. They have great reviews. It's Transition. It's gonna be fucking sick.

[Dromond]

I will be very curious to hear if a removable battery bike actually gets ridden without the battery long term at 45lbs weight. Maybe when shuttling?

[Iowagriz]

Bump of myself for any suggestions

Any decent MTB hardtail type ebikes? I've seen bikes with smaller batteries, sold a lightweight version with smaller assist distance. I'd like something similar to a Specialized Chisel, carbon fork hardtail, maybe 35kbs total?

Use case is my wife to ride on very tame trails and bike paths with me. Very unlikely she'd ride more than 20 miles. So smaller battery and lighter weight has its advantages.

Under 2k?

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[grinch]

A few things im liking my mid power/70nm e8000 but wishing it was a bosch cx with a bigger battery. For the plodding east coast trails its been a big plus. In boost im able to run the seat down a couple inches and maintain playing on flat tech sections. Game changer having the ability to have the seat down a bit. The long travel helps that too. 165r coil/180f opens things up like a fat ski in pow. Speed on the flats with constant roots and rocks is increased by a greater % than on smooth, downs and even climbs. Its still a relatively slow speed but 50ish% faster gives so many more lines to play on. Those trails are turned from "just get thru to the dh sections" to "90% play". The motor overun in boost helps on those types of trails at those speeds as well. Im getting 60-70km loops in w a pretty even split of trail and boost.
Other changes im slowly leaning towards are a little bit higher bb and a touch shorter cranks. I'd prefer 155's i think . I sold my 38 with my meta 29 acoustic mtb. Going back to my yari on my decoy works fine but i miss the bb height. The shoryer cranks and higher bb are going to open open the xc tech trails even more

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[Andeh]

Yes, I feel like on these heavy ebikes more suspension is really your friend. I over-forked / Cascade-linked my Levo up to 170/162 from 160/150, and it rides much better. The higher bottom bracket is much appreciated, especially on techy tip-ins where you kinda go over an edge but don't want to really huck it. They work fine with more moderate travel, but it's really easy to bottom out with all that extra inertia and speed. I was watching a "first ride" of the new Pivot Shuttle AM, and they mentioned that the top-of-the-line 15k one still weighed 50 lbs. My super Levo weighs that much, and has more travel/higher BB - that's the one I'd take any day of the week.

Ebike is the first time I've messed around with dropping saddle for climbing techy bits, but it helps tremendously (I guess because it moves your weight forward relative to rear wheel).

I've run both coil and air on mine (it's still not super progressive even with the Cascade), and honestly the difference is tiny on an ebike. That extra weight erases any of the stiction penalties to sensitivity, and having the more progressive bottom-out support is a lot more comfortable.

[grinch]

My decoys linkage is quite progressive so no probs.
The steeper the climb the lower my seat goes so i can move and not loop out. In my post i was refering to pedalling janky flatish xc east coast trails. Its nice to be able to move the bike around more easily. So many rocks and roots and its like constant micro lines. Jacked up at the end of a full extended seatpost is so redtricting in comparison and its faster down a couple inches working the terrain in boost and just way more fun. The same terrain is better with a higher bb. Im hesitant because for yrs ive tried to go lower and lower on the bb but with an emtb im pedaling thru the rough quite often and its easy to get jacked off the trail from a pedal strike. Im convinced the extra pedal slams and more violent slams are a cause of premature motor bearing wear as well. Ive heard others echo that as well. Thats just what im dealing with now. It wasnt as much of an issue out west but even so it did happen more than ideal. No major complaint just a little more slight tweaking in my case. Coil v air seems to be an individual thing. Mine came with an air shock and i prefer the coil but it seems to be an even split at the races.
My bike hovers around 55lbs. Like the e8000, im not going to rush out and get a 45lb bosch cx bike but its possible and would definitely be preferable. Im just happy mine keeps working day in and day out. Its my xc, dh, commuter, park and riverfront cruiser bike with just somewhere north of 10k km and well over 1 million vert ft. Speaking of which i have a squeak to chase down sometime

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[skinipenem]

My decoys linkage is quite progressive so no probs.
The steeper the climb the lower my seat goes so i can move and not loop out. In my post i was refering to pedalling janky flatish xc east coast trails. Its nice to be able to move the bike around more easily. So many rocks and roots and its like constant micro lines. Jacked up at the end of a full extended seatpost is so redtricting in comparison and its faster down a couple inches working the terrain in boost and just way more fun. The same terrain is better with a higher bb. Im hesitant because for yrs ive tried to go lower and lower on the bb but with an emtb im pedaling thru the rough quite often and its easy to get jacked off the trail from a pedal strike. Im convinced the extra pedal slams and more violent slams are a cause of premature motor bearing wear as well. Ive heard others echo that as well. Thats just what im dealing with now. It wasnt as much of an issue out west but even so it did happen more than ideal. No major complaint just a little more slight tweaking in my case. Coil v air seems to be an individual thing. Mine came with an air shock and i prefer the coil but it seems to be an even split at the races.
My bike hovers around 55lbs. Like the e8000, im not going to rush out and get a 45lb bosch cx bike but its possible and would definitely be preferable. Im just happy mine keeps working day in and day out. Its my xc, dh, commuter, park and riverfront cruiser bike with just somewhere north of 10k km and well over 1 million vert ft. Speaking of which i have a squeak to chase down sometime

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Had any issues with acros headset creak? I've successfully re- greased mine twice, damn creak has returned.

Other than the creak, the Decoy is such a fun bike.

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[grinch]

Had any issues with acros headset creak? I've successfully re- greased mine twice, damn creak has returned.

Other than the creak, the Decoy is such a fun bike.

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Ive had a works components headset in for a few years. I think my creak is a pedal/fingers crossed. Pivots should be good. I greased them at the end of last year. Super ez those and they last a long time. Possibly crank arm creak? Or motor bolts? Original sdg dropper has a shit ton of play and creaks a lot but it keeps working. Cromag seat rail creaks with a loose rail too. The seat and seatpost are what they are and ill replace them both in time but the other random ones at the crank/pedal id like to address with a little grease. I think my freehub body is on the way out as well. I better stop typing before i think of more

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[XXX-er]

sometimes I think headsets just creak but instead of sending your fork in you could try a simple headset servicing , we were in Moab and i mentioned it to shop bro ( works at a shop in a hot dry area) so he dropped the fox 36 and " cleaned the shit out " before i had even finished my 1st beer, end of creakage until I had it again on the 36 and then on the new zeb, I fixed both with a simple service drop fork/ clean area/grease, IME the timeline for creakage was about 4 months in a hot dry area, I think my Zeb is about to creak again but i wonder about all these " my fork is creaking I need a new fork " fuck your mfg of choice " threads ??

[grinch]

Yup, mines at about that time or a little passed 4 months

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[grinch]

This could make for a fun summer traveling from trail system to trail system

https://www.advnture.com/news/this-t...idge-and-stove

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[summit]

Yes, I feel like on these heavy ebikes more suspension is really your friend. I over-forked / Cascade-linked my Levo up to 170/162 from 160/150, and it rides much better. The higher bottom bracket is much appreciated, especially on techy tip-ins where you kinda go over an edge but don't want to really huck it. They work fine with more moderate travel, but it's really easy to bottom out with all that extra inertia and speed.

I think the cascade linked overforked Levo is regarded as the finest full power ebike that you can buy right now.

I've run both coil and air on mine (it's still not super progressive even with the Cascade), and honestly the difference is tiny on an ebike. That extra weight erases any of the stiction penalties to sensitivity, and having the more progressive bottom-out support is a lot more comfortable.

Very Interesting. I was thinking about swapping the DHX and X2 between my Spire and Relay

I will be very curious to hear if a removable battery bike actually gets ridden without the battery long term at 45lbs weight. Maybe when shuttling?

Air shock and my Relay is <40lbs without the battery

[Bunion 2020]

Coming to a road (or trail) near you
Bill Schneider

August 8, 2023 4:13 am

I’m a believer in non-motorized, shared-use trails, peacefully and collectively enjoyed by hikers, trail runners, dog walkers, mountain bikers and equestrians, especially in and near urban areas. We don’t have enough trails to divide them up into hiker-only trails, mountain bike-only trails, etc.

I live in the shadow of Mount Helena City Park, an ideal example of how hundreds of people can enjoy a non-motorized trail system every day with minimal conflict. But now I’m worried all this placid co-existence might be threatened by a fairly new creation commonly referred to as the e-bike, which is really an electric motorized vehicle. E-motorcycle would be a more appropriate name.

Fortunately, e-bikes were banned on Mount Helena when, after much controversy, the city council agreed they were indeed motorized vehicles. There are, however, many shared-use trails throughout Montana with no such protection. And in just a few years, e-bike use has become alarmingly widespread.

Even on the famed Going-to-the-Sun Road in Glacier National Park, during the April-May-June “hiker-biker only days” before the snow plows open Logan Pass, e-bikes have taken over the ultra-popular non-motorized spring event. Why the National Park Service ignored its own policy to allow only non-motorized use on the road during the spring, I will never understand.

And it was so unnecessary!

I’ve ridden my real bicycle up Logan Pass many times during the non-motorized spring days. In the past, on any nice spring weekend, hundreds of bicyclists enjoyed the road and until just recently, all rode real bicycles. And we’re not talking about the uber-fit. Lots of small children with 20-inch wheels. Lots of parents hauling toddlers around with bike trailers. All on real bikes. Will we ever get back to the original non-motorized purpose of the spring pre-opening of Logan Pass?

I have no issue with e-bikes used by people who truly need them because they can’t ride a real bicycle for various valid physical reasons. Nor do I have any problem with anybody using an e-bike to commute to work or drive it anywhere else on city streets. Regrettably, though, many young people capable of riding real bicycles are buying e-bikes, and in many cases, they drive them on non-motorized trails and bike paths.

The issue I have is simple. E-bikes, aka e-motorcycles, are motorized vehicles and should be driven on roads with other motorized vehicles, not on non-motorized trails and bike paths.

There’s a good reason manufacturers put thirty gears on modern bicycles. They do it so almost any bicyclist can ride up almost any hill without extreme effort. I’ve been breathing for 76 years, and I live in a town with lots of hilly streets, but I still ride around town on a real bicycle.

A primary reason we ride bicycles is to get healthful exercise, right? So, what’s the point of using an e-bike to avoid any sweating or deep breathing?

There are three classes of e-bikes, and the definition for all classes starts out “A bicycle with a motor….” This means, of course, that all classes are self-described as motorized vehicles. The only real difference between the classes is how fast an e-bike driver can go using the motor. After a certain speed, for example, 20 or 28 mph, the motor stops “assisting” its driver. But this function can be bypassed to allow faster speeds.

And where does it end? Where do we draw the line?

Cruising around the internet recently looking at e-bike websites, I stumbled across an article on ebicycles.com about the fastest e-bikes on the market. Here’s a snippet:



“The HPC Revolution XX is the type of e-bike you look at and immediately begin to wonder if e-bikes are getting slightly out of hand. The Revolution XX is the world’s fastest e-bike, with a top speed of 74 miles per hour (tested on a dry lake bed), thanks to an output of 10,000 watts, or 13.4 horsepower. The crazy part is that you can even pedal along at that speed—yikes!”

Can you say “wake-up call?”

That paragraph speaks volumes about the future. Government regulators and bicycling organizations need to put the brakes on this “revolution” before it’s too late, if it isn’t already.

Bill Schneider is a retired publisher and outdoor writer living in Helena. He has been active in bicycling organizations and rides his bicycles hundreds of miles every year.
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[summit]

Did you know that Kawasaki makes a KX1000 ebike that isn't even electric? It runs on a 1000cc gas engine! ebikes are EVIL! It turns out many companies make these gas powered ebikes but they try to call them dirt bikes to confuse people about ebikes! Ban ebikes!

10KW 75mph 75lbs throttle dirt bike with decorative pedals. "ebike"

[Quadzilla]

Got a technical question for anyone who is familiar with Bosch CX and in particular Bosch Kiox controller. I or should I say we as my wife and I have 2020 Orbea Wild ebikes with Bosch and Kiox. Generally the bikes work great and we have a lot of dirt miles, however the Kiox has always been fickle with little issues like not turning off and hard to turn off at times and software issues. So, can't update software ourselves and have to take bikes in for a $40 firmware update. This fixes whatever issues it has but after a period, issues come back. So, my question is there a alternate that can be installed and just get rid of Kiox? Thanks

[Vt-Freeheel]

How about a nice GBike? Spotted this at the grocers yesterday in the MRV, pedal chain was a little rusty, main drive chain was nicely lubed.

[grinch]

Fkneh! Thats a nice one. Im in. A few guys around town with the bolt on chinese one cylinder jobbies. Guy went buy me like i was standing still. Rockin a scruffy ball cap and chuffing on a dart. Id guess somewhere around 30mph

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[ironhippy]

Fkneh! Thats a nice one. Im in. A few guys around town with the bolt on chinese one cylinder jobbies. Guy went buy me like i was standing still. Rockin a scruffy ball cap and chuffing on a dart. Id guess somewhere around 30mph

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I saw this except the guy was carrying a giant garbage bag full of empty bottles, while weaving through the traffic beside the roundhouse at 6 PM on a Saturday. All while smoking a cigarette and not slowing down for anything.

I was very impressed that no one ended up on the ground.

[skaredshtles]

How about a nice GBike? Spotted this at the grocers yesterday in the MRV, pedal chain was a little rusty, main drive chain was nicely lubed.

[grinch]

I saw this except the guy was carrying a giant garbage bag full of empty bottles, while weaving through the traffic beside the roundhouse at 6 PM on a Saturday. All while smoking a cigarette and not slowing down for anything.

I was very impressed that no one ended up on the ground.

Haa sounds like the same guy. Acquired skillz

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[skinipenem]

https://dailymontanan.com/2023/08/08...rail-near-you/

Hi, my name is Bill, I live in my own private world that is black and white.

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