Back issues. Recommendations.

[4matic]

Did he read the X-ray for you?

[billyk]

Have you ever tried a chiropractor? I’ve used several over the years to get me through some intense bouts of back pain. The last guy had a physical therapist in house, who walked me through a bunch of core exercises, in addition to him cracking my back. He wasn’t cheap, though, and I felt like I was funding his new boat (although insurance picked up most of it).

[Cono Este]

Have you ever tried a chiropractor? I’ve used several over the years to get me through some intense bouts of back pain. The last guy had a physical therapist in house, who walked me through a bunch of core exercises, in addition to him cracking my back. He wasn’t cheap, though, and I felt like I was funding his new boat (although insurance picked up most of it).

I have, he would just do the crack the hips and back deal and then give it heat. Chop chop on a clock type feeling. I seriously distrust most medical professionals. The guy in the ER was a first rate stud, but even still, when ask him what’s next? With backs they just sort shrug their shoulders. Like the lewis ct whatever video.


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[Cono Este]

Did he read the X-ray for you?

Yes, no change. Disc height loss l5,4,3,S1.

I would paid for an epidural. I mean fuck, after loading me up on an IV with steroids and pain killers two hrs later my back is in a spasm standing up.

Some visitor kept staring at me and me and I asked him wtf are you looking at? Still have my charm.

wC matches the rest of the week.


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[4matic]

Try go for a walk. As counter-intuitive as it may seem. Always helps me.

Re Chiropractic: the whole buildup for the the big crack feels like a scam. As a compliment to a proper deep tissue massage I can see some value to it.

[Self Jupiter]

It does not seem like there is consensus understanding within the medical community about chronic spinal pain. At least it appeared that way during my experience with a handful of doctors, including those in a specialized ‘Spine / Pain Management’ department. I had one arrogant individual who was completely off, and the rest said they didn’t know what was next for me.

[billyk]

Well, sympathies, man! I know how bad it can be to be in constant pain. Thank god my back isn’t acting up at the moment.

[Cono Este]

Try go for a walk. As counter-intuitive as it may seem. Always helps me.

Re Chiropractic: the whole buildup for the the big crack feels like a scam. As a compliment to a proper deep tissue massage I can see some value to it.

you’re right. It’s the getting up and down, twisting that brings on the spasms. Lie flat or stand.

When asked, I told the nurse that I felt like the taser dummy at the state police academy.

I’m going to reschedule read all this when I’m sober, some good advice about working on those tiny muscles. The back is really a concert of muscles.


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[4matic]

I’m going to reschedule read all this when I’m sober, some good advice about working on those tiny muscles. The back is really a concert of muscles.


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When I was doing pt the only thing that helped was the soft tissue massage that they did for maybe two minutes. It’s damn near impossible to work the tiny muscles and fascia without assistance.

[Banh Mi]

I fix my lower back with a MECA wedge. It works. It’s $100, but it works so I think it’s well worth the money. You can just lay on it, or do a crazy ab workout on it. Not for people who are actually in real need of surgery though. It’s not going to fix a truly busted up back..

It gives me the relief I’m looking for too. It feels like I just got out of the chiro when I’m done with it. Unlike the chiro though, it doesnt loosen everything up, which supposedly isnt that great for your back. Certain things in your spine are supposed to be strong and stay more fixed, while others need to be more flexible. Chiro without working out is useless, because you dont want too much flexibility or movement of some of the joints in the lower back.

Doing the special workout plan with the meca wedge, strengthens as well as tightens and stabilizes everything up, and severly reduces my lower back symptoms. I think the wedge provides distraction on your back.

For thoracic spine, I just do thoracic extensions on a foam roller.

For my neck, I use a neck wedge. Much cheaper than the meca wedge. I think you can get them online for $10ish? I think it provides trAction on the neck, whereas the meca back wedge provides distraction.



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[XXX-er]

I found acupuncture can stimulate a stiff area, for me it was an encapsulated shoulder that the treatments would free up but it quit being of any use after about 9 visits and so I stopped completely after 14

Re Chiropractic: the whole buildup for the the big crack feels like a scam. As a compliment to a proper deep tissue massage I can see some value to it.

It may not work for everyone but if something is "out" I find a chiro can put it back

Similar to that ^^ idea but way alternative my back was out a little when I got hit from the side by a 240lb bro while slam dancing at a kayaker wedding, he must have hit me just right cuz I could feel that familiar crack of an adjustment and my back was fixed eh

[old goat]

Thanks again everyone. I was paralyzed this morning and went to the ER. The Doc was like “you drove here”? At least I got top shelf drugs and some fresh X-rays so the pain doctor will grace me with his presence.



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Paralyzed as in hurt too much to move or paralyzed as in you couldn't feel your legs or move them, even to wiggle your toes? I assume the former, in which case all an ER doc can tell you is nothing and all they can do for you is give you pain medicine. The latter is a surgical emergency.

See a physiatrist MD and stop taking advice from all of us--we all have different kinds of back problems. There is no once size fits all solution for back pain.

[Cono Este]

Paralyzed as in hurt too much to move or paralyzed as in you couldn't feel your legs or move them, even to wiggle your toes? I assume the former, in which case all an ER doc can tell you is nothing and all they can do for you is give you pain medicine. The latter is a surgical emergency.

See a physiatrist MD and stop taking advice from all of us--we all have different kinds of back problems. There is no once size fits all solution for back pain.

Paralyzed as in moving, twisting, or even dragging my hips felt like being tazed the spasms were so bad. Took me about 45 minutes to plot my escape from a California queen. Moving a 1/4 “ at a time.

Pain went up to neck, as in I couldn’t tilt my head to get in the car, and down to my one of my feet when the Doc pulled on it.

Very fucking weird.


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[Fritz]

Vibes Cono. Heal up good and fast

[4matic]

Knees elevated? Good luck.

[old goat]

Paralyzed as in moving, twisting, or even dragging my hips felt like being tazed the spasms were so bad. Took me about 45 minutes to plot my escape from a California queen. Moving a 1/4 “ at a time.

Pain went up to neck, as in I couldn’t tilt my head to get in the car, and down to my one of my feet when the Doc pulled on it.

Very fucking weird.


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Glad to hear it wasn't the other kind. I've never been that bad, thank goodness, but I know the drill of rolling slowly out of bed onto my hands and knees onto the floor and then trying to pull myself upright. Sometimes if I turn the wrong way in bed I got an electric shock down one leg or the other that makes the leg flex suddenly and me scream involuntarily. It only lasts a second but it sure alarms the wife.

I think a firm mattress helps. Not because it's better for the back--surprisingly my physiatrist said no one kind of mattress was better than any other in general but that it's an individual thing. But at least with a firm mattress it's a lot easier to roll over or get out of bed without too much pain. Memory foam is the worst for me in that respect.

[boarddad]

Didn’t read all of the posts, but I went through a bout with a bulged L4-L5 that I fully documented in Gimp Central. I won’t repeat here, except the takeaways that everyone else has said; do surgery as a LAST resort, stay positive, stay FAR away from pain meds. Find a doctor that will listen and value your long-term goals. If they say you will have to give up what you are passionate about, move on, find another doctor.

Spoiler alert; I ended up with a discectomy. I was back surfing, snowboarding and playing soccer in about 3 months. YMMV, every back is different, my case was, in the words of the doc that fixed me, “textbook”. He has my life-long, undying gratitude. I got my life back - priceless!

Vibes and best wishes to you. I hope you find a solution and soon.

[4matic]

I started chiropractic with a doc I met at the pool. It might be helping. Optimistic.

I also started Rolf therapy. I’m less confident in the benefit here. Guy is cool and will focus on core specific next time.

I also start massage therapy in a couple weeks.

DC says no sign of serious disc damage. X-ray confirmed that and my movement tests all negative.

[HankScorpio]

I don't think it was mentioned but I got a stand up desk for my back as recommended by my buddy who is a chiro and it certainly helped. I'd had some back stiffness/pain that a ski injury made worse . I saw a chiro 2x/week for about 8 weeks, dropped 15ish lbs, stretched daily and began standing up at work all day except for a 1/2 hour at lunch. This combination of changes helped tremendously but I do notice a huge difference when I sit down too much. As my chiropractor said "sitting is the new smoking."

[Dhelihiker]

I would read this, I've heard its some life changing shit. Its worth a try for $2. Just read the reviews

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/hea...caApAlEALw_wcB

[jgb@etree]

I would read this, I've heard its some life changing shit. Its worth a try for $2. Just read the reviews

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/hea...caApAlEALw_wcB

Sarno's one of the big names and I have read 2 of his books, but I've never been able to buy into the whole 'its all in your head' stuff.

I've been struggling with chronic low back pain for nearly 4 years. It SUCKS. I've found that the McKenzie exercises are the best solution (for me) when dealing with acute pain. The past year of 2x a week PT has gotten me to 80-85% but have basically plateaued there.....until I came across ELDOA (Guy Voyer) last Tuesday. Holy shit, 30 seconds of the s1l5 wall stretch gave me nearly immediate relief and left me functional for nearly an entire day, which is BIG news for me as it has been a LONG time since i have had a day without serious pain. I've got an appointment with an ART guy in NYC (Ming Chew) who uses the ELDOA stuff and i actually have hope that there might actually be a full recovery right around the corner.

I'll update in a week or two and let people know if these methods are really all they are said to be.....

[XXX-er]

since I posted above ^^ the end of last june my back was completley fucked atempting to paddle ww kayak and then a week later running saw, worst its ever been, the only thing that didnt hurt for at least a month was lying on an ice pack ... I was sure i was gona be completely fucked for life

so i went to the PT she said 6 - 8 weeks of doing nothing but 3 sets of 10 cobra pose daily and no playing at all which wasnt hard cuz it hurt lots so all I did was watch netflix, walk to the brew pub & drink beer every day and go to PT

She seen me lots at first, did a bit of laying on of hands/manipulation, after it settled a bit every 2 weeks and at about 8 weeks I was 100 %, been biking paddling and I should be able to run saw ,

I've been dealing with sciatic issues for 30 yrs also something funky with L5, I think it was all jumbled together with disc issues, PT said it was herniated disc probably from bending over to paddle/bike/ski/saw and the bending in the opposite direction doing cobra pose helps stretch/heal those discs so I try to do some cobra every day and usually when i do ... I hear a click

as for recommendations ... every back/injury is different

[esseff]

And, as crazy as it sounds (works for me) I do dead lifts. Use a hex bar @ 10-15 reps, lower weight.

Do you do crunches and back strength work?

I have the same issues and my back acts up when I slack off with my workouts.

I do 300 crunches about 4 days a week, can plus back with

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[Self Jupiter]

Had never heard of ELDOA, interesting, thanks for sharing.

[neckdeep]

I would read this, I've heard its some life changing shit. Its worth a try for $2. Just read the reviews

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/hea...caApAlEALw_wcB

This book applies to sedentary, stressed out office workers and sedentary, frustrated housewives. It's not for athletes. It's not for people who's jobs require endless repetitive motion in the back joints . For those of us who feel pain as a result of real injuries or because we over used our joints through hundreds and hundreds of powder days, Sarno's schtick is less than worthless. It is bad information. I'm here to tell you that when the numbness starts, go to a neurosurgeon immediately. It is not in your head.

If you go around believing Sarno, that its all in your head, you'll be tempted to fight through pain. You'll think a warmup and a few ibuprofens and you are good to go. You might be tempted to blame yourself for not shaking this pain thats supposedly all in your head. If it's just in your head, then according to Sarno, you aren't doing any lasting damage, right? Wrong. You are just ignoring what your body is trying to tell you and you'll end up with worn out joints in your back. Once that is done, there's no magic bullet for you then. There's no fancy miraculous joint replacement waiting for you.