Why all the suicides if everything is going so well in Murica?

[AK47bp]

“Fast food is the opiate of the people.” - Alice Waters (not really, but it’s true)

"Opioids are the opiate of the people"

Bringing that saying full circle.


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[old goat]

What blows my mind is all these celebrities' suicides with millions in the bank.

Me, I have a big life insurance policy through work, and when I'm down the thought has come to mind to solve all my family financial worries.

But I don't think that I could.

I've posted this before, in another thread i think, but "fame doesn't take away the pain, it just pays the bills, and you wind up on alcohol and pills"--"Alcohol and pills" Fred Eaglesmith

[SumJongGuy]

What blows my mind is all these celebrities' suicides with millions in the bank.

Me, I have a big life insurance policy through work, and when I'm down the thought has come to mind to solve all my family financial worries.

But I don't think that I could.

Most life insurance polices have a provision where they don't have to pay if the death is ruled a suicide.

[BeardMech]

Isnt that usually only for a year or so?

[goldengatestinx]

My personal opinion. For many people things are no better and no worse than ever. However, today you know thanks to social media and cheap communication.
When I was a kid we had no money. I had no idea that peers went to Disney or ski vacations while I sat at home. My parents had friends and they sometime wouldn’t talk for months since long distance calling rates applied across area codes. Now we think everyone else is doing better all the time but in reality it’s selective bias due to near constant bombardment of others glamorous meals, trips promotions perfect families etc.
sometimes being clueless and unplugged helps the situation your in not seem so bad. Just my 2 cents


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So many 'poor' cultures that are discovered were/are happy living in the undeveloped way they have for centuries. Healthy, some will long lifespans. No electricity, no 'modern' healthcare, etc. It's sad that western culture forces these people to change to what we've developed, destroying them in a short timeframe.

[goldengatestinx]

Gauranteed minimum income.

A perfect Marxist principal...From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

Who then will set the definition of ability and need?

[goldengatestinx]

kill them all and let god sort it out

And all your 401k 'savings' go down the toilet. Good plan.

[goldengatestinx]

if you were to google it you would find that america is so fucked up the life expectancy is just barely better than Cuba

MD's in canada have the plaid scrubs eh

they average an easy 200K + a year but the system doesnt fuck everybody over

My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.

Nor were the problems I identified unique to Canada—they characterized all government-run health-care systems. Consider the recent British controversy over a cancer patient who tried to get an appointment with a specialist, only to have it canceled—48 times. More than 1 million Britons must wait for some type of care, with 200,000 in line for longer than six months. A while back, I toured a public hospital in Washington, D.C., with Tim Evans, a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe. The hospital was dark and dingy, but Evans observed that
it was cleaner than anything in his native
England. In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave—when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity—15,000 elderly citizens died. Across Europe, state-of-the-art drugs aren’t available. And so on.

[goldengatestinx]

no, it requires the governed to pay. look up Rousseau's social contract

The Canada Health Act (CHA), introduced in 1984, governs the complicated fiscal agreement between the provinces, who administer health services, and the feds, who manage their health-insurance monopoly and transfer funds to the local governments. Unlike in the United Kingdom, where health care is socialized and hospitals are run by the National Health Service, in Canada health care is technically delivered privately, although given the Kafkaesque regulations and restrictions that govern it, the system is by no means market-based. In fact, Canada’s government-controlled health-care system has become more restrictive than communist China’s.







Debates about health-care policy typically revolve around three key metrics: universality, affordability, and quality.

Canada passes the first test with flying colors: Every resident of the country is insured under the CHA, with covered procedures free at the point of delivery. While medical providers are independent from the federal government, they are compelled to accept CHA insurance —and nothing else — by a prohibition on accepting payments outside the national-insurance scheme so long as they wish to continue accepting federal health-transfer funds. The spigot of money from Ottawa thus ensures a de facto government monopoly in the health-insurance market.

Every resident of the country is insured under the CHA, with covered procedures free at the point of delivery. While medical providers are independent from the federal government, they are compelled to accept CHA insurance —and nothing else — by a prohibition on accepting payments outside the national-insurance scheme so long as they wish to continue accepting federal health-transfer funds. The spigot of money from Ottawa thus ensures a de facto government monopoly in the health-insurance market.

The CHA provides and ensures universal coverage from the top down. In Canada, the government determines what procedures are medically necessary. Bureaucrats, not doctors, decide which procedures and treatments are covered under the CHA — based on data and statistics rather than on the needs of patients. While private insurance does exist — an OECD report found that 75 percent of Canadians have supplementary insurance — it applies only to procedures and services that fall outside the CHA — including dental work, optometric care, and pharmaceutical drugs.

In the meantime, to address scarcity in the health-care system, government central planners ration care and cap the number of procedures offered in a given year, leading to queues, longer wait times, and a deterioration in the quality of care. Speaking of which#…#

#…#When it comes to the final metric, quality of care, Canada lags behind most other developed Western nations. A 2014 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked Canada tenth out of eleven wealthy countries (ahead of only the United States) in health-care quality, and dead last in timeliness of care. The report showed that 29 percent of adult Canadians who fell ill and needed to see a specialist waited two months or longer, and 18 percent waited four months or longer, compared with 6 percent and 7 percent of Americans, respectively.

[goldengatestinx]

When I was in kindergarten my mom started balling one night hysterically saying something was wrong. We couldn't get her to explain what or why she was so upset. The next morning we got a call from Kentucky that my dad's best friend and cousin had died suddenly.

In the last days of my dad's life he was in a VA hospice and flat-lined several times over the last two weeks having to be brought back with paddles. After waking up the last time he said he met others who said they would guide him to the other side, He named two people and the VA nurse's jaw dropped. She said those names and ranks match people she knew who had died there over the past 5 years.. but were already gone before my dad arrived there..

Being all you are dentists, you've likely not heard of the law of conservation of energy. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it merely changes form.

The brain works on electrical impulses. All electrical circuits have electrical fields around them. What is the spirit? Merely the collective of the electrical impulses of a brain.

All matter is made up of atoms containing protons, neutrons and electrons. All held in place by electrical bonds. We and everything else in the universe is simply electrical energy.

Hence the term 'putting a thought out there'. Every thought is an electrical impulse. These impulses have associated electrical fields that move out from the source. Prayer is simply a focusing of a specific thought by a large number of people.

The history of spirituality is surprisingly similar in most all religions and cultures. Native American spirits of air, water, animals, earth being directly related to that of humans. Because everything is made of the same basic structure.

It's deep, most won't get it.

But hey, worms need food too.

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.

Nor were the problems I identified unique to Canada—they characterized all government-run health-care systems. Consider the recent British controversy over a cancer patient who tried to get an appointment with a specialist, only to have it canceled—48 times. More than 1 million Britons must wait for some type of care, with 200,000 in line for longer than six months. A while back, I toured a public hospital in Washington, D.C., with Tim Evans, a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe. The hospital was dark and dingy, but Evans observed that
it was cleaner than anything in his native
England. In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave—when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity—15,000 elderly citizens died. Across Europe, state-of-the-art drugs aren’t available. And so on.

Those 15,000, though, were dead attributable to leftist policies, along with millions and millions of others. Leftist dead don't count.

In the US, don't worry, most of the people in this thread will just travel to Latin American or India or Thailand for their healthcare if we get single payer here. It won't affect THEIR lives too much, in most cases. Let's not worry so much about the people affected by these things.

[old goat]

Health care system ratings by country https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-hea...tional-survey/

Having a govt run health care system is no guarantee of quality. It is popular to use Canada to compare to the US because Canada is the worst next to the US, perhaps in part because the system is fragmented by province.

The UK, for all its shortcomings, either despite or because of the fact that the government doesn't just pay for health care, it provides it, comes out best. The Swiss system seems to be second best--everyone has to buy private health insurance with subsidies for those who can't afford it and people pay deductibles. Sound familiar?

The UK system is an accident--it is an outgrowth of the government hospitals set up to deal with casualties of the WWII blitz.

The health care system alone doesn't determine the quality and cost of health care--cultural factors peculiar to each country account for a lot--economic and social disparities, patient expectations, quality of self-care, the cost of medical education, medical training, greed, the quality of the non-health-care safety net, etc.

One thing is clear--like so many things in America, if we go on blissfully assuming that we're the best country in the world for everything, nothing gets better. (We don't even have the best military--pound for pound that would have to be Israel, not that that's a good thing.) I do think it is fair to allow for the fact that the US faces challenges that the other surveyed countries don't--a permanent underclass--the legacy of slavery, a highly diverse population, deep divisions that go back to the civil war and before, and the burden of defending the other prosperous countries. We like to think that anything that happened before the 21st century is irrelevant, but history casts a much longer shadow than Americans realize.

[PNWbrit]

The UK system is an accident--it is an outgrowth of the government hospitals set up to deal with casualties of the WWII blitz.

It had been Labour party policy to establish NHS since the early 30s...

Hardly an accident.. WW2 might have sped up the process and got the Atlee government elected... but it was deliberate policy and legislation that led to the NHS.

Not really anything particularly to do with the blitz.

[riser4]

A perfect Marxist principal...From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

Who then will set the definition of ability and need?

Serious question: Did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid?

[hutash]

More likely he drank leaded paint right out of the can to get to his level of stupid. The kids in Flint ain't got nothing on him.

[frorider]

Serious question: Did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid?

It’s not a crowded field here, but gg usually wins the dumbest conservatard laurels.

[hutash]

No, but there is some serious competition.

[SumJongGuy]

Being all you are dentists, you've likely not heard of the law of conservation of energy. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it merely changes form.

The brain works on electrical impulses. All electrical circuits have electrical fields around them. What is the spirit? Merely the collective of the electrical impulses of a brain.

All matter is made up of atoms containing protons, neutrons and electrons. All held in place by electrical bonds. We and everything else in the universe is simply electrical energy.

Hence the term 'putting a thought out there'. Every thought is an electrical impulse. These impulses have associated electrical fields that move out from the source. Prayer is simply a focusing of a specific thought by a large number of people.

The history of spirituality is surprisingly similar in most all religions and cultures. Native American spirits of air, water, animals, earth being directly related to that of humans. Because everything is made of the same basic structure.

It's deep, most won't get it.

But hey, worms need food too.

ya ya.. and when you shine a flashlight up in to space at night then turn it off and take the batteries out the light keeps going. Not buying the prayer part other than it's energy. We can't collectively make something happen any more than wishing for things makes them happen. Otherwise, I'd have won the lottery every single drawing. What can happen though is that energy ends up doing more harm than good. What we want is rarely what's best for everyone and everything..

[Ted Striker]

Being all you are dentists, you've likely not heard of the law of conservation of energy. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it merely changes form.

Some of you may not know this, but water is wet!
JFC

Also, ggracist is Canadian? What is it with Canadians that move to the US and embrace the full retard faction?

[riser4]

Some of you may not know this, but water is wet!
JFC

Also, ggracist is Canadian? What is it with Canadians that move to the US and embrace the full retard faction?

We got more than a few of them here at tehTRGs.

[liv2ski]

We got more than a few of them here at tehTRGs.

Regardless of where a person is from, IMO, this is usually attributed to "I got mine, so fuck off you lazy fuck". It is disappointing, but I guess to a large degree it is just human nature for people in Capitalist countries to be that way. I really don't get it.

[XXX-er]

My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.

Nor were the problems I identified unique to Canada—they characterized all government-run health-care systems. Consider the recent British controversy over a cancer patient who tried to get an appointment with a specialist, only to have it canceled—48 times. More than 1 million Britons must wait for some type of care, with 200,000 in line for longer than six months. A while back, I toured a public hospital in Washington, D.C., with Tim Evans, a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe. The hospital was dark and dingy, but Evans observed that
it was cleaner than anything in his native
England. In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave—when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity—15,000 elderly citizens died. Across Europe, state-of-the-art drugs aren’t available. And so on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ife_expectancy

ok so you answered my original statement with a cut n paste ^^ of something else but here is the wiki link on life expectancy that you tryed to ignore,



Canada is 12th while USA is 31st



I been looking at it for maybe 10 years and it has got better, sometimes behind right now America is ahead but they are always neck n neck with Cuba ... the country they have been embargoing for 50+ years

[hutash]

There is point in responding goldendickstinks, other to insult him. He is not capable of rational thought, and can only regurgitate what others think for him. He is just another in a long line of TGR trolls that have lost respect and no long warrant a thoughtful response.

[XXX-er]

well I think its too bad he ingested the lead paint and all but the good news is that in America

he is free to chose the health care he can't afford

[old goat]

well I think its too bad he ingested the lead paint and all but the good news is that in America

he is free to chose the health care he can't afford

he is not really free to choose--the health care he receives was determined for him in the first nanosecond after the Big Bang.