The Nutrition Science thread

[SkiBall]

Whatever works, but with your first meal of the day is probably best. What those charts don't show is that the effect persists for 8-12 hours after consumption. So, the vinegar you consumed in the morning with breakfast improves your glucose control at lunch and dinner, too. Same thing happens with resistant starch.

And herein lies the crux. But a salad in the morning beats whiskey in the morning...for me at least.

[Dantheman]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...stract/2694709

"Elevated glycemia was the only cardiometabolic risk factor with constantly higher values among dementia cases up to 14 years before diagnosis."

[neufox47]

Wow, another reason to not eat sugar.

[PB]

Hey now, dementia's not so bad ...... for the demented.

[Dantheman]

Hey now, dementia's not so bad ...... for the demented.

If the new IPCC report is right the dead and demented will be the lucky ones.

[fool]

Whatever works, but with your first meal of the day is probably best. What those charts don't show is that the effect persists for 8-12 hours after consumption. So, the vinegar you consumed in the morning with breakfast improves your glucose control at lunch and dinner, too. Same thing happens with resistant starch.

Does it matter if you're intermittent fasting? Would you wait till your first meal of the day?

Might want to start experimenting with it.


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[Dantheman]

Yeah, first meal, whatever time of day that happens to be.

[Rideski]

I like a vinegar based chili sauce on my bacon and eggs.

[evdog]

Anyone have recommendations for apps to track food consumption/nutrition? Have lost 6-7 lbs the last couple months just trying to control portion sizes but would like something that tracks calories and fat/carbs/protein and anything else that would be useful to track. Seeing numbers will help me set goals otherwise I tend to eat whatever is in front of me. Thx

[Name Redacted]

Anyone have recommendations for apps to track food consumption/nutrition? Have lost 6-7 lbs the last couple months just trying to control portion sizes but would like something that tracks calories and fat/carbs/protein and anything else that would be useful to track. Seeing numbers will help me set goals otherwise I tend to eat whatever is in front of me. Thx

I used Carb Manager App for a while and it was pretty good. Now I use Fitbit since I got a Fitbit Charge 3. Seems to work pretty well and you can use it without a Fitbit.

[Danno]

I used Carb Manager (now I am just lazily tracking). Myfitnesspal is another app I know people use.

[Bobby Stainless]

I just bought a smart scale yesterday and its pretty sweet. 27 bucks on Amazon and it syncs with my fitbit.

Fitbit also has a scanner built in and most foods are logged in there.

[iceman]

Dan, back to the acetic acid, what amounts of ACV are we talking about, a tablespoon or two? Or more? Just got some bloodwork back with somewhat elevated glucose. I used to drink about a quarter cup diluted ¾ cup water sweetened with honey and I liked the taste I just wasn't noticing any results

[Dantheman]

1-2 Tbs is the typical dose I've seen in studies.

Recommend you don't use it to wash down a plateful of squirrel brains: https://www.sciencealert.com/rare-de...cephalopathies

[iceman]

Shit. I'm out then.

[fool]

Dantheman, Danno, and all others: thoughts/insight on probiotics? Can't remember if it's been covered, but looking to maybe improve my gut health a little bit. I've been trying to eat more sauerkraut, yogurt, etc., but still curious on pills, etc.

[iceman]

You may be a candidate for Fecal Transplantation.

[plugboots]

Hey! Eat shit, man.

[Danno]

I take a probiotic but it's one of those things where it feels like I'm taking it on faith, because I really have no idea if it works. I take this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A98VLAU?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

[Dantheman]

Dantheman, Danno, and all others: thoughts/insight on probiotics? Can't remember if it's been covered, but looking to maybe improve my gut health a little bit. I've been trying to eat more sauerkraut, yogurt, etc., but still curious on pills, etc.

Missed this. The evidence is pretty weak that they do anything for anyone who isn't actively taking a course of antibiotics (which you should try to avoid doing outside of life-or-death situations): https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/probiotics/

You're much better off eating a diet rich in veggies, fruit and other foods rich in prebiotics: fiber, resistant starch, and sulfoquinovose (https://phys.org/news/2016-02-sweet-...reens-key.html)

[jono]

I haven't tried many probiotics, but my PA recommended some that have to be refrigerated (which seems to be a common theme: expect nothing from the ones that don't require refrigeration) and they have had a noticeable effect on my system. Missing a week and re-starting a couple times seems to confirm this. That said, my gut is (probably) not like yours, and might still (but probably mostly shouldn't) resemble the 'course of antibiotics' guy. And I notice the effects of DTM's other recs, too.

[iceman]

these seem to help me and seem like a good product, check them out: https://www.hyperbiotics.com

[fool]

Missed this. The evidence is pretty weak that they do anything for anyone who isn't actively taking a course of antibiotics (which you should try to avoid doing outside of life-or-death situations): https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/probiotics/

You're much better off eating a diet rich in veggies, fruit and other foods rich in prebiotics: fiber, resistant starch, and sulfoquinovose (https://phys.org/news/2016-02-sweet-...reens-key.html)

Thanks, Dan!

FWIW, a friend recommended these (http://a.co/d/j7Y3q9i) though I've heard VSL#3 is better if you are having bigger stomach issues. (To jono's point VSL requires refrigeration). I'll check those out as well, ice: thanks!

[Dantheman]

This is pretty interesting: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/w...hy-weight.html

I'm still generally of the opinion that eating whole foods is more important than macro ratios, but it sounds like this was a very rigorous study. The full text is not paywalled: https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/363/bmj.k4583.full.pdf

[neufox47]

This is pretty interesting: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/w...hy-weight.html

I'm still generally of the opinion that eating whole foods is more important than macro ratios, but it sounds like this was a very rigorous study. The full text is not paywalled: https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/363/bmj.k4583.full.pdf

That’s the study my ex-gfs mom was involved in as a nutritionist. Wild, I was wondering when that was going to be published.