THE MASTERS

[billyk]

from what little i have read, reed's parents are not uninvolved in the type of person reed has become

I think it is safe to say that no one outside the family knows the full story. I think it is a credit to Reed that he stonewalls any discussion about it.

[GeezerSteve]

I think it is safe to say that no one outside the family knows the full story.

Yep, we will never know what happened. But we do know someone is lying big time. Either (a) his parents were chronic child beaters and his sister fabricated her statements (including that PR has become "a selfish horrible stranger") or (b) Reed and his wife are the fabricators (e.g., the claim that PR's sister faked two kidney surgeries.

FWIW, his credibility has been challenged by numerous people who accused him of cheating on more than one occasion. IMV, his wife's insistence that cops escort his parents out of a golf tournament is evidence that she's a control freak. And, FWIW, it seems that the allegations of child beating come from the wife, not directly from PR.

It should be objectively determinable whether his sister faked two kidney surgeries.

We need Jerry Springer on this.

[billyk]

Well, OK, but I think the word “selfish” in that quote is the key to what this is all about. Money.

[Supermoon]

It was an accepted rumor on tour back in the day that he and his wife were wild swingers before she had cancer.

Got a chance to walk a few holes with Amy at the US Open in Chambers Bay. She was super nice, down to earth and pretty funny. Mickelson had to chip on one of the greens and she said, "I'm sure he'll like putting a divot on one of these." Lol.

Former Miss AZ right? Talk about another childhood pursuit that can mess up a kid.....

[GeezerSteve]

Well, OK, but I think the word “selfish” in that quote is the key to what this is all about. Money.

Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on who is doing the lying.

If PR's wife is the chief fabricator: Control freak-guided recalled-memory scam is usually about the control freak exerting power. It's his money and he could have simply said "no, I'm not giving you my money" or said nothing at all. If it was only about money, there was no need for his wife to make public accusations about his upbringing.

If the sister is the chief fabricator and, among other things, "faked kidney surgery" (how does that happen???), then yeah, it looks like it's about money.

Based on my limited exposure to similarly weird family dynamics I have my suspicions, but I'll never know what happened.

[wyeaster]

you don't seem disinterested, steve. the only people who know the origin story are reed and his family. they probably all see it differently for various reasons, including age, not all necessarily legitimate.

i generally don't subscribe to the demon child theory without a look at the parents. children are not peers to their parents and obviously have completely different "responsibilities." maybe golf was a good outlet, maybe not.

he became an alleged asshole -- which is great when he's swatting down top notch eurowankers in the ryder cup, right guys!!! -- successful, rich, historic and wants no part of them. they probably wanted almost all of that.

my initial reaction to his parents getting yanked was that it was seriously brutal.

but then i thought, why the fuck were they there? under the circumstances, that cannot be anything but grandstanding an obviously complicated, personal family story. that is seriously fucked up at the biggest moment of his career. if they were on the grounds during the round, that's even more fucked up.

i dont know when they were removed but if it was after he won, i absolutely see augusta national giving him the authority to boot them if they didn't do it themselves. private club and masters champion and all.

a lot of champions are sociopaths. that's why the fans love to watch them.

[wyeaster]

finau is a stud. hard to imagine keeping all the moving parts in sync with that base. mind over matter.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ton...e-in-the-world

[billyk]

The parents weren’t booted at Augusta. It was at Pinehurst a number of years ago.

[wyeaster]

oh i thought i heard they got booted yesterday from somewhere besides here. or you kmow. something that seemed like that for a moment

well fuck all that fuckityall!

[GeezerSteve]

you don't seem disinterested, steve. the only people who know the origin story are reed and his family. they probably all see it differently for various reasons, including age, not all necessarily legitimate.

i generally don't subscribe to the demon child theory without a look at the parents. children are not peers to their parents and obviously have completely different "responsibilities." maybe golf was a good outlet, maybe not.

he became an alleged asshole -- which is great when he's swatting down top notch eurowankers in the ryder cup, right guys!!! -- successful, rich, historic and wants no part of them. they probably wanted almost all of that.

my initial reaction to his parents getting yanked was that it was seriously brutal.

but then i thought, why the fuck were they there? under the circumstances, that cannot be anything but grandstanding an obviously complicated, personal family story. that is seriously fucked up at the biggest moment of his career. if they were on the grounds during the round, that's even more fucked up.

i dont know when they were removed but if it was after he won, i absolutely see augusta national giving him the authority to boot them if they didn't do it themselves. private club and masters champion and all.

a lot of champions are sociopaths. that's why the fans love to watch them.

You don't seem disinterested spook. But you do seemed confused. His wife had the cops yank them off Pinehurst a couple years ago.

FTR, I did not call him an asshole. I don't know whether he's an asshole or a victim. It's one or the other. That's the point of my posts. And I do have some experience re adult children first accusing their parents of criminal activity years after it allegedly occurred.

[stompinlines]

I question any motherfucker who gets married at 21


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[wyeaster]

i'm pretty disinterested. i'm more interested in you than them

i didn't say you called him an asshole. he does seem in the limited context available to possibly have sociability issues.

we'll never know how much of that is nature and how much is nurture

[billyk]

I’m actually with Justine on the Pinehurst incident. If I’m a caddie and spot unwanted relatives in the gallery whose presence is upsetting to my player, or at the very least a huge distraction, I’m going to do whatever I can to get them removed.

[wyeaster]

yeah, it seems like a no-brainer that the player, his team, the site and the pga would have zero problem kicking potential conflicts off the course no matter who's right.

[TahoeJ]

It seems like the wife is the master mind and employees her side of family.
A good wife doesn’t separate a family.

Bullshit. Look, I'm not a Reed fan - at all - but I've seen cases where this is precisely the case.

[RShea]

He was 22 she was 26, she wears the pants.

She at one time was his caddy on the Tour, now it is her Brother that carries his bag.

[jackstraw]

This article is from 2015.

https://deadspin.com/how-patrick-ree...ian-1682766305

[old goat]

I was impressed with Tiger. Playing at that level, with all those back surgeries is a miracle.


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If he can swing a club like that with his back fused it gives me hope that I can ski after I have mine done. Of course he's a couple of years (decades) younger.

[4matic]

You hear about stars who had bad fathers - Capriati, the Williams sisters, Agassi, Marinovich, Mary Pierce, etc. but Tiger's pop Earl has got to rank right up there with the worst.

I’m not sure “bad” is the right word. Tough, demanding, unapologetic. Champions don’t work in a vacuum against their will. Having successful children is also an honorable goal.

It’s debatable whether parents should be friends with their kids. Reasoning with children doesn’t always work.

[wyeaster]

I’m not sure “bad” is the right word. Tough, demanding, unapologetic. Champions don’t work in a vacuum against their will. Having successful children is also an honorable goal.

It’s debatable whether parents should be friends with their kids. Reasoning with children doesn’t always work.

this is beautiful. thx!

[Skidog]

Yeah for sure Tigers dad made him the mental stallwart that he is on the course today. I still believe Tiger is mentally on a whole other plane compared to his peers. It's hard to rattle him. His master's performance was admirable after such a long time away from that game, and the pressure of major. Earl did that...it may sound like it sucked ass, but it "worked" good or bad.

I see a big difference in the "new" Tiger. Seems hes more personable now, not some golf robot. He's got his fucked up life just like the rest of the world. The infidelity rattled him for sure, I bet cause his entire life he said he wouldn't do what dad did to mom (cheating), but in the end couldn't resist. He's past that I hope. He seems happy to me for whatever reason.

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[nutmegchoi]

I decided to like Tiger when he described his hair “Mostly brown, fading”.

https://www.facebook.com/barstoolspo...5447156387502/

[Skidog]

if after all the drama and self destruction he’s still got the time and means to play at Augusta, he better be happy.

I believe all past winners get auto in each year no? I think his whole "breakdown" was a "see the light" deal...hopefully he's more settled now. Heard his ex wife's place is for sale in Jupiter for big money.

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[Brock Landers]

Former winners get an invite or life. Previous years top 16 and ties get an invite. US and British open winners I believe 10 years of invites. PGA 5 years I think. Then like top 50 on tour. And I want to say top 20 on euro tour.

That's definitely not right but something like that

[XXX-er]

When ver I see this thread recycling to the top

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/th...utch-painting/

I think of this^^ which just reinforces what i have always known ... I am not a golfer