Is it gonna be like this FOREVER?How to stop ripping my bindings out of skis?

[Skidog]

That's fucked up.

Unless of course he Huck's meat and is 300lbs, 6'8".

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[Vitamin I]

Which ski models have you ripped out of?

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[Djongo Unchained]

put down the fork

Fucking hilarious... that's rich. Like eating an entire cheesecake in one bite.

OP - I check my screws in the fall. Helicoil first mount may help you long term. $.02

[Name Redacted]

Which ski models have you ripped out of?

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Old BD Ethics- ripped a pair of BD O2 telewhackers thought those were gonna kill a kid when they took off
K2 Coombacks- ripped both toes out on two separate occasions- flipped off a small cliff in one fall, other was a high speed tumble
RMU SCRMs- ripped heel piece out with brakes- ski took off, thought it might kill someone too

Bummed because I really liked the RMU SCRMs. Super fun inbounds hardpack skis. They could take a licking and keep on ticking in this extremely thin, rocky season.

I don't think that it was the skis fault. Pretty sure that I should check the screws and not leave the skis in the back of the truck all season. Gonna try to get them heli coiled and, fingers-crossed, ski them the rest of the season at least. Our season seems to be winding down early anyway and I'd hate to start rocking shiny new skis with the amount of rocks I've been nailing lately.

[doebedoe]

1. Tele. Toes rip.
2. Touring ski. Light weight cores are less durable.
3. RMUs. Nuff said.

[Name Redacted]

1. Tele. Toes rip.
2. Touring ski. Light weight cores are less durable.
3. RMUs. Nuff said.

The Coombacks were definitely rotted inside. I doubt there was even any glue. Bought used off eBay.

I think these were the older RMUs made in the NS factory. They seem burly. I know they get no love here because of some drama, but I like the skis.

[The Tortoise]

I can't imagine leaving them in the truck matters if the mount is done right.

Not great for the edges (rust) but should be fine for the bindings.

[stuckathuntermtn]

x1,000 on what toast said. Are you getting coreshots that don't get repaired right or right away?
Also, you list of setups is...questionable. I mean, if you said you were ripping bindings out of Mantras, yeah, that would be insane.
Also, do the Wardens have straight upward toe release? Not every binding has that, but it may be something you need (pivots, drivers, whatever the fuck Tyrolia/Head calls their good toe now).
edit: just looking at the Warden and they seem to have the Guardian toe. Don't think that goes straight up. Maybe it's a good thing you ripped out?

[Name Redacted]

I can't imagine leaving them in the truck matters if the mount is done right.

Not great for the edges (rust) but should be fine for the bindings.

When I say "Back of the truck" I mean they are in a topper. I never saw the difference in this vs hanging them in an unheated garage either. I hate bringing them in the house but that might have to be what I do.

[Name Redacted]

x1,000 on what toast said. Are you getting coreshots that don't get repaired right or right away?

Possible, yes, I usually have multiple core shots, at all times I tend to hit rocks quite frequently... But they do get repaired in a somewhat timely fashion.

And I have no idea about the upward toe release. They have always seemed to release as needed and when needed. Except for this one time when they released from the ski during a high speed turn.

[Skidog]

This is very odd. Not an overly big guy. Skiing low din, and ripping heel pieces? Call me perplexed. Tele bindings I get, but unless you just have bad luck and got a defective pair of rmu, well something else is amiss.

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[GeezerSteve]

ripped a pair of BD O2 telewhackers

O2s are prone to ripouts notwithstanding good mounts, tight screws and healthy cores. The forces on rear O2 screws are akin to levering a claw hammer on a nail head with each tele turn. IME, helicoiling with epoxy prevents O2 pullouts.

The best advice on this thread is to helcoil with epoxy

[AlpiNord]

Old BD Ethics- ripped a pair of BD O2 telewhackers thought those were gonna kill a kid when they took off
K2 Coombacks- ripped both toes out on two separate occasions- flipped off a small cliff in one fall, other was a high speed tumble
RMU SCRMs- ripped heel piece out with brakes- ski took off, thought it might kill someone too

Bummed because I really liked the RMU SCRMs. Super fun inbounds hardpack skis. They could take a licking and keep on ticking in this extremely thin, rocky season.

I don't think that it was the skis fault. Pretty sure that I should check the screws and not leave the skis in the back of the truck all season. Gonna try to get them heli coiled and, fingers-crossed, ski them the rest of the season at least. Our season seems to be winding down early anyway and I'd hate to start rocking shiny new skis with the amount of rocks I've been nailing lately.

1. Tele. Toes rip.
2. Touring ski. Light weight cores are less durable.
3. RMUs. Nuff said.

My first thought was when using touring oriented gear on piste, bumps, and a lot more vertical and variables at ski areas, a LOT more repetitive stresses are applied to your gear than a lap or three in powder.

[Name Redacted]

This is very odd. Not an overly big guy.

Awe shucks!

[zartagen]

Possible, yes, I usually have multiple core shots, at all times I tend to hit rocks quite frequently... But they do get repaired in a somewhat timely fashion.

And I have no idea about the upward toe release. They have always seemed to release as needed and when needed. Except for this one time when they released from the ski during a high speed turn.

Sorry for being a TRG fanboi, but you should grab a pair of ON3Ps. I've been smashing around on one pair for 5 years now. They have landed at least one 10 footer to very thin over rocks and nothing has been even close to core. Every time I look at the base after a hit, I'm pleasantly surprised. But 100 days at Vail is probably like 10 at the Basin, so YMMV. The only thing that might detract from them for you is there is no metal for you to might your bindings into.

[Name Redacted]

O2s were prone to ripouts notwithstanding good mounts, tight screws and healthy cores. The forces on rear O2 screws are akin to levering a claw hammer on a nail head with each tele turn. IME, helicoiling with epoxy prevents O2 pullouts.

The best advice on this thread is to helcoil with epoxy

Yeah, those skis are long gone, as are the Coombacks. Just giving the history leading up to my frustration. I know the Dynafits weren't meant to ski inbounds either. I think those were FT12's.

I've taken a backassward way into the sport of skiing, starting with snowboarding, then Tele, moved to AT, then decided to Alpine. I'm still on AT boots (Freedom RS). I've improved leaps and bounds as my equipment has progressed, so my next setup will probably be full on Alpine, but I was trying to put that off till next season, since this season has sucked pretty bad so far.

[Name Redacted]

Sorry for being a TRG fanboi, but you should grab a pair of ON3Ps. I've been smashing around on one pair for 5 years now. They have landed at least one 10 footer to very thin over rocks and nothing has been even close to core. Every time I look at the base after a hit, I'm pleasantly surprised. But 100 days at Vail is probably like 10 at the Basin, so YMMV. The only thing that might detract from them for you is there is no metal for you to might your bindings into.

Yeah, I've been shopping, looking at Mantras, Bonafides, Wren 108's, Icelandic Nomad, and various Black Crows.

I need something that can take a hit, because I'm usually hitting rocks, like every run. I also need something stiff, because I'm heavier and like to go fast. None of this is to say that I'm very good, but I like to throw myself into hard terrain and figure it out. I avoid groomers, they scare me.

[doebedoe]

My RMU comment was actually about whether NS knows how to do layups with metal in them? I can't think of a single other ski/snowboard with metal that comes out of that factory. Maybe its easy to do, maybe its not.

Whole point of this thread: you're not doomed. Your first two sounds like wrong gear for the way you describe your skiing. Buy some beefy skis. Have some mag mount them with epoxy and/or helicoils. Go skiing.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Your cores may be rotted. And you need burlier skis.

[TahoeJ]

Yeah, I've been shopping, looking at Mantras, Bonafides, Wren 108's, Icelandic Nomad, and various Black Crows.

I need something that can take a hit, because I'm usually hitting rocks, like every run. I also need something stiff, because I'm heavier and like to go fast. None of this is to say that I'm very good, but I like to throw myself into hard terrain and figure it out. I avoid groomers, they scare me.

I've had Mantras and Bonafides, and a few pairs of black crows currently, as well as Wren 108's and some other ON3P's. ON3P's are far and away more durable than the others and it's not even close. I've heard the same about Praxis.

[Name Redacted]

Anyone have an ON3P coupon code that they want to PM me?

Currently have a buddy at a local shop trying to see what he can to the get the RMUs rolling again with some Heli Coil action and epoxy. If I can just use them the rest of this season then get new ones next year that'd be optimal.

[Judo Chop!]

permanent solution:
http://www.tognar.com/plastic-capped...rds-9mm-black/

[Name Redacted]

permanent solution:
http://www.tognar.com/plastic-capped...rds-9mm-black/

Not convinced that is needed yet. Might heli coil the next pair though.

[GPP33]

1. Tele. Toes rip.

3. RMUs. Nuff said.

Been skiing tele on RMUs for 6 years and haven't had em rip out. Ski fast, ski low and ski with the burliest 75mm boot made in a pretty active binding. Even fell pretty hard a couple times over the years. They have been retired to mainly BC use though so I may never know how long they could have lasted.

To the OP, mount your new ones with binding freedom or quiver killers.

[Name Redacted]

Latest development: Buddy in a shop heli coiled both heels. Said they were spinners on the other heel too. Wood was a little wet/rotten but he drilled that out and should be good. Said the cores were pretty thin in the RMU's.

In other news, just ordered some Wren 108's Thinking I'll stick with the Warden MNC's since they work with my boots for now. And probably buying some quiver killer inserts to go with them.

ETA: This is probably my most helpful thread ever on TGR; while at the same time being the most expensive one. Thanks guys!