Is it gonna be like this FOREVER?How to stop ripping my bindings out of skis?

[Name Redacted]

(I know, mount my own fucking skis!!!)
So I just ripped another binding out of my skis and had a good ole fashioned high speed tumble. This is getting to be a common thing for me since I started skiing more than boarding a few years back. This is actually the third time that this has happened.

First two were dynafits, so I got some burlier alpine bindings (Warden MNCs) and today I ripped out a heel and went flying down the hill. Fortunately, I think I only broke my thumb. They were even mounted on some skis with metal in em'.

Pretty much once a year I am taking a pretty big, high speed fall due to my bindings ripping out of my skis. I'm afraid that someday I might get seriously injured or killed because of these stupid pieces of shit. WTF?

So how the fuck do I keep this shit from happening? Heli Coil every screw? Epoxy the bindings to the skis? Go back to snowboarding where this shit doesn't happen?

[XXX-er]

put down the fork

[mcski]

put down the fork

I laffed

[toast2266]

What's failing?

Are the screws that pull out clean and in good shape? Or are the screws rusty and/or the core's rotten? Was there more than one mount in the skis, that maybe weren't sealed up well? What are your DIN's set at?

[Judo Chop!]

shouldn't rip out that often. shouldn't matter how burly or not the bindings are.
Maybe a shitty mount job + not using glue to waterproof????

if you're worried, Helicoil + epoxy. Or even t-nut through the ski base (I think Praxis did this for some guys) for the ultimate. I've added inserts to snowboards and kiteboards pretty often that way, when I was younger.

and yeah.. mount your own fucking.

[adrenalated]

I know a dude that t-nuts every screw on his bindings. He skis Pivots set at 17.

You shouldn't be ripping screws out. Mount your own fucking skis and use epoxy.

[Name Redacted]

What's failing?

Are the screws that pull out clean and in good shape? Or are the screws rusty and/or the core's rotten? Was there more than one mount in the skis, that maybe weren't sealed up well? What are your DIN's set at?

This was my first thought, and might have been the problem on the first toe rip-out last year. But I specifically told the guys in the shop to glue the shit out of these, and they did. Screws weren't rusty at all. No sign of rot this time. They did spend the night in my truck over night after skiing them for about 6 hrs straight Sunday, so maybe some water got in there? Dunno.

[reckless toboggan]

I know a dude that t-nuts every screw on his bindings. He skis Pivots set at 17.

That's fucked up.

[Name Redacted]

I know a dude that t-nuts every screw on his bindings. He skis Pivots set at 17.

You shouldn't be ripping screws out. Mount your own fucking skis and use epoxy.

Will you mount my fucking skis?

I'm only skiing at 9.5 DIN too!! That's 1 more than the chart says :big grin:

I could mount my own shit, I used to, when I worked in a shop 20 years ago. But these days I can usually trade beer for someone who knows what they are doing to do it...

[3PinGrin]

But these days I can usually trade beer for someone who knows what they are doing to do it...

You should only give them the beer AFTER the mount apparently!

[Judo Chop!]

This was my first thought, and might have been the problem on the first toe rip-out last year. But I specifically told the guys in the shop to glue the shit out of these, and they did. Screws weren't rusty at all. No sign of rot this time. They did spend the night in my truck over night after skiing them for about 6 hrs straight Sunday, so maybe some water got in there? Dunno.

ohhhh.... you're talking about re-mounts on the same skis?
well yeah. congrats - you have a reason to buy new skis!

[t-the-east]

How much you weigh man? At 9.5 your boot should pop out before the binding pulls out

[toast2266]

This was my first thought, and might have been the problem on the first toe rip-out last year. But I specifically told the guys in the shop to glue the shit out of these, and they did. Screws weren't rusty at all. No sign of rot this time. They did spend the night in my truck over night after skiing them for about 6 hrs straight Sunday, so maybe some water got in there? Dunno.

I'd bet your cores are just rotted and fucked. Even if water isn't getting in there now, water got in there at some point and turned the wood to mush. No amount of glue is going to fix that. You shouldn't have any problem ripping bindings out with DINs set at 9.5 in a ski with metal. It's not the binding, and it's unlikely that it's the mount. The only real answer / solution is new skis.

[pfluffenmeister]

I know a dude that t-nuts every screw on his bindings. He skis Pivots set at 17.

You shouldn't be ripping screws out. Mount your own fucking skis and use epoxy.

Yeah?
Well ours go to eleven.

Jesus, 17!?

[Name Redacted]

How much you weigh man? At 9.5 your boot should pop out before the binding pulls out

I KNOW! I'm 6' 2", 205lbs with 331mm BSL.

[XXX-er]

but seriously I think that some people just break shit

[adrenalated]

Will you mount my fucking skis?

I'm only skiing at 9.5 DIN too!! That's 1 more than the chart says :big grin:

I could mount my own shit, I used to, when I worked in a shop 20 years ago. But these days I can usually trade beer for someone who knows what they are doing to do it...

Dude, anytime you want to drive down the hill with some beer I'm happy to mount your fucking skis.

I have a helicoil set too if you want to try to salvage, but as other said, cores are probably toast and you should buy some new fucking skis.

[ExPowderSnob]

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are probably doing something wrong during your mount. If you are using epoxy, perhaps you are tightening them down too much and starting to strip out the wood and rendering the threads useless?

Try these, with some locktight on the screws after the inserts are epoxied and set.

http://www.bindingfreedom.com/

[doebedoe]

This may be trivially obvious...

But do you check the screws on the bindings every once in a while? They can vibrate a bit loose even with a decent mount and good glue. Especially if you ski hard. Only my epoxied mounts have totally avoided this.

If one screw comes out, it's way easier to rip the rest out.

[pfluffenmeister]

^^^ Hmm, should probably check mine.

[liv2ski]

I agree with Toast. It sounds like the core of the skis got rotted out. No way should the binding rip out if properly tightened down and I just use wood glue. Buy new skis and mount them yourself.

[XXX-er]

This may be trivially obvious...

But do you check the screws on the bindings every once in a while? They can vibrate a bit loose even with a decent mount and good glue. Especially if you ski hard. Only my epoxied mounts have totally avoided this.

If one screw comes out, it's way easier to rip the rest out.

I agree with you ^^ if something is loose or out of adjustment it will be way more likely to break, same goes for mtn bikes

but its either not that obvious OR people are clueless OR lazy cuz IME from asking peeps nobody ever checks their binding mount screws OR the screws holding the binding together OR throws a boot in the binding to check the release values OR boot adjustment/clearances, my favorite is to watch some youngish rippers at the hill just swap skis by forcing a boot into the binding with no idea if it fits

don't get me started on guys who never check for loose spokes

[Name Redacted]

Most likely it was something between doebedoe and Toast's scenarios. I don't even know how to get to the heel piece screws.

Now on to shopping for new skis. Ugh. Do they still make red ones?

[XXX-er]

I always bring skis inside and prop them up against the wall to dry so the edges don't rust and the skis don't get ripped off

[Name Redacted]

I always bring skis inside and prop them up against the wall to dry so the edges don't rust and the skis don't get ripped off

This is probably part of it too. I usually leave them in the back of the truck, or hang them up in the un-heated garage. Might have to start bringing them in the house.