how's your helmet game ?

[jasonb]

Used to think helmets were more fashion statement than much else until I took a hard fall while wearing a Smith Vantage last year. Had concussion side effects for a couple days afterwards which I'm sure would have been worse without the helmet.

[summit]

I gots issues. Crackin my egg ain't one of 'em, that's all.

Many have said that they thought that way before their concussion and regret it. Actually never met anyone who still felt like that after a serious head injury.

Contrarily, I encourage helmets for young soft noggins and old brittle ones.

That's not how any of this works.

And you also said sometimes helmets make things worse. While we can reasonably debate the effectiveness of many helmets in many circumstances, your claim is bullshit on the level of those who oppose seatbelts because they imagine a circumstance where it would hurt when they overwhelmingly help.

[bodywhomper]

I like how mine keeps my head dry when its wet out and helps prevent braining and poking from bramches. Mine is ca 1997. Boeri brand. It functions well in the above regard and is minimal on the head. Took forever back then to find one that fit. Have the same struggle now with finding fit (i do not understand why i struggle with good fit) minimal-type design. Ventless has been good for me.

The minimal-type paddling helmets look pretty nice, especially with those sunshade-type bills. I have no idea if functionally they'd work and have never seen one in the flesh. I am about a one hour drive, i believe, to a brick and mortar shop that sells them and have no other reason to be in that area.

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[4matic]

I got called “short bus” for wearing one in 1993. The biggest benefits for me other than impact are:

1. Head slides across snow and ice vs hat getting snagged. No Charlie horse in neck.

2. Goggle retention.

Does helmet really wear out if it hasn’t been impact compromised?

[raisingarizona13]

Ruin my hair

Yup. Helmets get in the way of my headband and sunglasses.

[GimpToo]

^^^everything eventually breaks down with age, and wear and tear!

[Doremite]

I often ski the singles line and ski primarily at Jay Peak. You can set your watch to someone from Montreal cracking you in the head w the safety bar a nanosecond after your ass hits the seat. Mandatory equipment in these parts.

[Djongo Unchained]

Many have said that they thought that way before their concussion and regret it. Actually never met anyone who still felt like that after a serious head injury.


That's not how any of this works.

And you also said sometimes helmets make things worse. While we can reasonably debate the effectiveness of many helmets in many circumstances, your claim is bullshit on the level of those who oppose seatbelts because they imagine a circumstance where it would hurt when they overwhelmingly help.

A. Yet, if I find myself in the vast majority of skiers who don't suffer a serious brain/head whack in their career, then none of the first matters. You reference a phenomenally finite group and a non-existent one.

B. Do tell us how ALL of this works. OP needs to know.

C. I wear my seatbelt 99.5 % of the time and my helmet on the Superbike about 50% of the time. Roll over 100mph every time.

Where am I at now? I'm so fucked up. I didn't even realize I was claiming something. That could be the safety sesh though.

[summit]

sometimes they make a wreck worse too.

just in case you forgot what you said

[Djongo Unchained]

just in case you forgot what you said

Ah, so. That.

Ok as an example: Sliding on your hip after falling in some bump filled trees. Steep ones, not outta control but hard to regain. maybe I slide into/near a tree and my helmet snags on a branch. Snaps my neck or something. That's a historical reference.
-or maybe if I was tomahawking through pow - is there greater centrifugal force at the end? that's just my gut feeling...

I got 37 cents says not every possible outcome with a helmet will always be better than any scenario without one.

Maybe I'm outta my league here. I just don't eat shit too much. I guess I'm safer than most here.

[raisingarizona13]

I had a crash where I'm 99% sure it saved my life or at least life altering brain damage. Even with the helmet the concussion hurt like a son of bitch. I couldn't do much for about 5 days from the throbbing head ache. I had to literally use two hands to pick my head up because of the whiplash. It's pretty scary when right after a crash and head bump you can't see straight for an hour or so.

[Supermoon]

Ah, so. That.

Ok as an example: Sliding on your hip after falling in some bump filled trees. Steep ones, not outta control but hard to regain. maybe I slide into/near a tree and my helmet snags on a branch. Snaps my neck or something. That's a historical reference.
-or maybe if I was tomahawking through pow - is there greater centrifugal force at the end? that's just my gut feeling...

I got 37 cents says not every possible outcome with a helmet will always be better than any scenario without one.

Maybe I'm outta my league here. I just don't eat shit too much. I guess I'm safer than most here.

If you don’t want to wear a helmet, then don’t, but don’t make up some random counter factual to justify it. Sure there are a few scenarios out there that could possibly make a crash work with a helmet, but 99% of the time they are going to help you in a crash. You are a lot more likely to bang your head into a tree and suffer brain damage than to have a branch hook a strap. Freak accidents happen. If it s your time it’s your time I think. But I sure as shit don’t want to go before my time because I didn’t put on my brain bucket and tip over awkwardly on a traverse and land on a rock.

It’s like the seatbelt analogy above. Sure, if you drive your car into a lake and can’t get out of your seatbelt maybe it hurts you,but for the other 999 times in a thousand it’s going to save you from going face first through the windshield.

[WasatchFlatlander]

Read this thread last night and decided I needed an update to my 12+ year old boeri helmet. The old boeri did protect me on a few occasions (avoided a concussion at least once), but I never had a really rough spill on it. Thought it was best to get an update in head protection tech if the unfortunate head crash were to happen. Went with a Giro Zone Mips

[altacoup]

I often ski the singles line and ski primarily at Jay Peak. You can set your watch to someone from Montreal cracking you in the head w the safety bar a nanosecond after your ass hits the seat. Mandatory equipment in these parts.

Wait I thought everyone at Jay rides the single chair. Are you saying you're a quebecoise?


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[Djongo Unchained]

If you don’t want to wear a helmet, then don’t, but don’t make up some random counter factual to justify it. Sure there are a few scenarios out there that could possibly make a crash work with a helmet, but 99% of the time they are going to help you in a crash. You are a lot more likely to bang your head into a tree and suffer brain damage than to have a branch hook a strap. Freak accidents happen. If it s your time it’s your time I think. But I sure as shit don’t want to go before my time because I didn’t put on my brain bucket and tip over awkwardly on a traverse and land on a rock.

It’s like the seatbelt analogy above. Sure, if you drive your car into a lake and can’t get out of your seatbelt maybe it hurts you,but for the other 999 times in a thousand it’s going to save you from going face first through the windshield.

This is some rich shit.

We're all aware that I don't wear a helmet. You, giving me your permissionz is choice. Thank you. I'm going helmet shopping today. So amped.


The random factual happened to an acquaintance; Hence my initial comment that SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T FUCKING HELP. But mostly, yes. Freak accidents was the point. There are times when it's not ideal.

That has zero to do with me not wearing one though. I don't fucking hit my head on shit with any regularity.

"If it's your time, it's your time I think" -
By that logic you can't "go BEFORE your time".

Again, for those of you tipping over awkwardly on a TRAVERSE and then hitting your head squarely on a rock bad enough to hurt yourself, go buy some lessons.

I told you I wear my seltbelt almost exclusively. WTF.

I am by no means trying to kill myself, but not trying to live forever either. Just skiing.

[Doremite]

Wait I thought everyone at Jay rides the single chair. Are you saying you're a quebecoise?


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Perhaps confusing Jay w/ Mad River Glen?

I have nothing against the québécois other than their common lack of chairlift etiquette

[Woodsy]

Ah, so. That.

Ok as an example: Sliding on your hip after falling in some bump filled trees. Steep ones, not outta control but hard to regain. maybe I slide into/near a tree and my helmet snags on a branch. Snaps my neck or something. That's a historical reference.
-or maybe if I was tomahawking through pow - is there greater centrifugal force at the end? that's just my gut feeling...

I got 37 cents says not every possible outcome with a helmet will always be better than any scenario without one.

Maybe I'm outta my league here. I just don't eat shit too much. I guess I'm safer than most here.

its been here before so readers digest version
starting in 84, never had any injury more than a bruise until 1997 skiing just OB @ Snowmass, hit some barely covered rocks, tumbled. Cracked skull, airlifted to GJ. Now have 2 tiny ti plates in head where skull compression fractured. With a helmet I would have got up brushed off, kept skiing

98, again OB @ Snowmass went over a good sized cliff and tumbled. ER doc said flat out I would be dead with out helmet.

Had a few knocks and bangs since, nothing major. Glad I have it. Started in Boeri, then Leedom, Gyro. I wear Smith helmets now, re[place every 2-3 years.
Goggles over helmet

[Slopetime]

Hell, at least a Helmet lets you have an open casket funeral.....

[willywhit]

Started in Boeri, then Leedom, Gyro. I wear Smith helmets now, re[place every 2-3 years.
Goggles over helmet

That's how I got my first helmet. MPH in Norwood owned Boeri and Mr Leedom was a windsurfing buddy. I ended up working there for a short while, doing helmet demo tent stuff at mountains. Good People, the Hauser Bros. I think Bern came out of there as well. currently Rockin an old burton audex motorola with blu tooth and still bust out the red leedom on occasion. Like any helmet, the foam deteriorates over time. Prolly need a new helmet. Been thinking a BX full face if it were light enough.

[Afkpuz]

Again, for those of you tipping over awkwardly on a TRAVERSE and then hitting your head squarely on a rock bad enough to hurt yourself, go buy some lessons.

I don't have so much of a dog in this fight, but if you haven't distractedly fallen off a cattrack on the way back to the lift 10 minutes after skiing the line of the season you haven't fuckin' skied. Let he who is without the occasional jerry-ass tendencies cast the first stone.

My 2 cents: a helmet doesn't make you immortal, no protection is perfect. But it's an insurance policy that also happens to be warm and comfy (and waterproof.) Will I ever see it pay out? Shit, hopefully not anymore. But it sure has in the past.

I grew up racing, so with mandatory helmets, and I've always skied with one. It feels weird at this point to ski without one. I'm beyond the really dumb macho risks I used to take - and the resulting falls - fingers crossed. But there's a lot of utility in not getting thwacked in the head by spruce branches in the kind of uncut hell-woods I find myself masochistically drawn to, and it's certainly peace of mind on crowded bulletproof. On your own head be it, I guess.

[Supermoon]

I don't have so much of a dog in this fight, but if you haven't distractedly fallen off a cattrack on the way back to the lift 10 minutes after skiing the line of the season you haven't fuckin' skied. Let he who is without the occasional jerry-ass tendencies cast the first stone.

My 2 cents: a helmet doesn't make you immortal, no protection is perfect. But it's an insurance policy that also happens to be warm and comfy (and waterproof.) Will I ever see it pay out? Shit, hopefully not anymore. But it sure has in the past.

I grew up racing, so with mandatory helmets, and I've always skied with one. It feels weird at this point to ski without one. I'm beyond the really dumb macho risks I used to take - and the resulting falls - fingers crossed. But there's a lot of utility in not getting thwacked in the head by spruce branches in the kind of uncut hell-woods I find myself masochistically drawn to, and it's certainly peace of mind on crowded bulletproof. On your own head be it, I guess.

Thanks for beating me to my answer. Most of my worst crashes have been stupid shit like catching an edge on the way back to the lift, etc, not the more “dangerous” lines.

[willywhit]

just wait until you smack a tree with yer noggin with a helmet on. I've done it, at Stowe. cracked the helmet, still felt like puking. In the trees, snagged something underneath and BAP

[PNWbrit]

I pretty certain this particular dead horse has been previously flogged.

[reckless toboggan]

I pretty certain this particular dead horse has been previously flogged.

A dead horse?

That's tragic.

What helmet was the horse wearing?

How did the helmet perform when withstanding the flogging?

And most importantly, did the horse get off the treadmill?

[Gepeto]

The horse wouldn't be dead if it didn't inadvertently forget to mount the helmet while going nowhere fast

Otherwise he woulda been fine except for some minor sudden treadmill dismount whiplash