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Thread: The Dynastar Thread

  1. #1801
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    I already commented on it in the ON3P thread, but MF108s feel a bit different on snow than ON3Ps. I have only been on 182s, but their softer flex and construction derived smoothness
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    feels like no other ski I've been on. I would have preferred if the 182s were slightly stronger overall, especially in the front half. Their shape is playful and loose enough though that I would not be concerned about them being too much ski, especially as you are used to wren108s and Rustler11s.

    It would be very interesting to see one of those SoothSki analysis wrt stiffness of M-Frees, but can't seem to be able to log on. Does anyone have a functional log on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    Night and day. MF108 is hands down my preference in all conditions except balls out huge turns in chunk, but I have a pair of pro riders that are way better for that kind of skiing. I skied the wrens one day since I got on the MF108 and promptly sold them, and I liked that ski a lot. I held onto them for nearly a year.

    I’ve said this before, but the MF108 is the ski I was hoping the woodsman would be. It is as close to “the gray area” as I’ve found.
    Hmmm. Good to know, thanks for the info. I will definitely get on this 192 Mfree108 this upcoming season. Too many of you like it, it must be for good reason. Should have grabbed for $379 before, I just feel ridiculously stupid now.

    However, for the current spot in my quiver, I don't think I want less ski than old Wren 108s. Maybe just a bit more firm snow orientated. I really think the Cochise 106 or Katana 108 are closest to what I currently seek.

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    Shit, I bought a nee pair of LP105’s deeply discounted from Corbett’s. After having a pair I can’t imagine not for skiing at the bird. Those and supergoats and I’m not sure what else I need


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    Wish I never sold my AEvergoats. How stupid can I get

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    Quote Originally Posted by detrusor View Post
    Shit, I bought a nee pair of LP105’s deeply discounted from Corbett’s. After having a pair I can’t imagine not for skiing at the bird. Those and supergoats and I’m not sure what else I need


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    Quote Originally Posted by AEvospace View Post
    Wish I never sold my AEvergoats. How stupid can I get
    You won't know unless you keep trying.

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    The Dynastar Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by AEvospace View Post
    Wish I never sold my AEvergoats. How stupid can I get
    I’m stoked you pushed Scott to make that ski!! Favorite ski in my quiver.


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    I didn't have much to do with it lol, he just used my name as a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEvospace View Post
    I didn't have much to do with it lol, he just used my name as a joke
    You definitely did, nobody had more stoke for that than you

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    Just buy a pair of MF108’s. It is the best ski in it’s class that I have been on. I have yet to find it’s downside. I grabbed that ski more than any other ski in my quiver last year and never regretted having them on my feet. A couple days I regretted not having them on my feet. They can be super easy going or hate fuck the mountain. They truly inspire a relaxed stance knowing they will not stray or do anything weird, ever. They mob chop almost as well as the LP, I said almost, like 97%. The trick I found is ski them with your pressure closer to the boot toe where the ski is stiffest as opposed to mad tip pressure like you would on the LP.
    Good luck in your quest, again.

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    The 192 is no slouch, especially when used by your not so average shredder aka the Mayor of Stomptown



    I have to admit that I would opt for both ON3P Woodsman110s and Wildcat108s over 182 MF108s (192 is way too much ski for me), but that being said - I still think that the MF108 is one of the best skis to have been released in this segment in forever, it is a freaking great ski.

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    If I hear anyone say, “ bUt tHeY hAve a SpeEd liMit” again in here imma post that vid.
    I yelled at my screen, “NOOOOOOOOO!” During that live comp. Such a bummer end to a blister run.

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    same reaction here - or rather hands to head in disbelief with an open mouth emitting no sound. Reine made that line look way too easy - too bad the extra credit backie took him out of contention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post

    I have to admit that I would opt for both ON3P Woodsman110s and Wildcat108s over 182 MF108s (192 is way too much ski for me), but that being said - I still think that the MF108 is one of the best skis to have been released in this segment in forever, it is a freaking great ski.
    Curious - what does the woodsman do better than the mf in your experience?

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    i prefer their stronger front ski particularly, though their stiffer overall flex, better graphic (custom) and overall better build quality including thicker edges/bases also does not hurt.

    I do find woodsman108tours to ski more similarly to MF108s than stock woodsman108s though - MF108 and WD108tours feel really similar in soft snow, especially out back. I prefer wood108tours front ski on hard snow (stiffer, are more happy to be driven) and MF108s tails on groomers (better at tracking the terrain re below, WD108tours show some of the same behaviour out back as WD108s imho).

    That being said, I have not ever quite figured out how to ski my first gen woodsman108s on firm groomers in slacker, undulating terrain - you know, when you ride the sidecut, pump and rely on being smooth not just speed, power and gravity to get the skis to do what you want them to. For me the tails on my first gen wood108s are just too stiff and no amount of tuning have made me able to ski em like I want to in those conditions - they end up being jittery/skippy for me and my diminutiv stature (175cm/67kg nekkid on 182s).

    Besides that I actually really like woods108s in most other conditions - especially at speed in fresh or corn where they are loose and just great. I have described them earlier in this thread as aspirational - aka the kind of ski I want to be able to ski in all conditions as a daily driver - whereas MF108s are not that, they would just require a tiny bit of adjustment (meant as a compliment).

    I think the new wood110s will bridge the gap in the behind the bindings side of things, and if so then they'll be a 10/10 ski for me.

    So yeah, a bit of fanboyery and biases at play here for sure, but that comes with the territory and is pretty prevalent in this thread as well - which is fine.

    Admittedly, I would happily ski MF108s as a one ski quiver or as a daily driver in a multiple ski quiver - they are bloody great skis imho. I would just prefer them to be a bit stiffer in the front half especially.

    And i would love to see some measurements of their actual torsional stiffness (re soothski,com)

    And to just mention wildcat108s too - their stiffer flex (compared to MF108S) and longer radius are pure bliss in most conditions. I do find them to be a bit of a chore in certain deeper conditions (moist/dense snow - prob no issue in dry snow). I dunno if it is their mount point (-6) or camber that does it, but I felt that I really had to muscle them around in those conditions. That being said, they float better than a 108 ski has any right to and are pretty damned amazing on groomers imho.

    WC108 is just a great ski, if slightly more demanding in the 184 length than 182 MF108s, in spite of probably being within mm of each other straight pull (have not measured).
    Last edited by kid-kapow; 07-31-2021 at 07:46 PM.

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    Always good insights and comparisons kid-kapow.
    Have you been on Jeffreys? Just wondering where you think the 182 MF sits between the woodsman and the Jeffrey, and if the MF is most comparable to the WC108 in your opinion?

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    jeffreys no, Kartel108s yes (elliptical sidecut version).

    Kartel108s are bit different than the aforementioned three in that they are not very happy to be driven (hard) through the shovels. MF108s, WC108s and WD108s (first year) can all be skied from a centered stance or driven, Kartel108s are not that happy with being driven in my experience. I am guessing Jeffrey108s are the same.

    I find the scale to be wd108-182 - wc108-184 - mf108-182 in the charginess to more forgivable scale. That is not to say that not all three cannot rage, more that wd108 kinda need more speed/commitment to come alive from my experience whereas MF108 are happy regardless. I think WC108s are more similar to MF108s than WD108s (one year since I skied WC), but that mostly comes down to the back halves being more in tune (or first year wd108 to be on the stiff side for directional skiers, jibby/centered skiers should get along with em just fine). The more similar ski to MF108 from ON3P is Wood108tour from my experience, though I am willing to bet a bit of money that the new Wood110 is more similar still.

    Jeffrey108s are great skis though, nimble, easy to ski, poppy but with a backbone, amazing corn/slush skis. They are great in all scenarios except being driven hard through the shovels or doing big angulation turns on pure ice (like most 108mm skis) imho. You do not need to be particularly jibby to enjoy them as long as you have a more modern/centered stance. It is a reason it is ON3P's most popular ski - it is great.

    And just to specify where I come from - directional skier, more enthusiasm than correct technique. I am also willing to bet that most of the mags who love MF108s are stronger skiers than me who are simply able to get more out of them, whereas I prefer stiffer skis since I can get them to do more of the work / can lean into them harder

    sorry to derail the thread somewhat.

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    No derail at all. I think its helpful to get more in depth comparisons as many of us have either some version of Kartel/Jeffry, Wildcat, Woodsman, or MFree.
    As you know I picked up a pair of last years J108, but wouldn't exclude the MFree 108 as a more chargy option while still maintaining a playful feel.

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    i am not sure I would label MF108s in 182 as more chargy than J108s as such from my experience, it is more of how you want to ski/drive them. Jeffrey108s should have a plenty high enough speed limit for the kind of ski that they are, but one that favors popping off stuff from a more centered stance, not hatefuck the mountain through being driven to submission (if that makes sense).

    I have honestly not pushed the limits on 182 MF108s enough to say that they will be more conducive to hatefucking stuff, rather - I would think that their softer shovels would be pretty similar in variable to jeff108s, even if they are more drivable on harder snow.

    I dunno, this is the point somebody who is a stronger skier than me who have really pushed the limits of 182 MF108s should chime in - I have not. 182 MF108s are probably more capable than I give them credit for as long as you are willing to just let them run.

    From my perspective one could choose to swap to MF108s from Jeff108s to get a ski that is equally smooth (if in a different way), still forgiving and with a high speed limit that is happy to be driven through the shovels, not that is some charger.

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    yeah youre probably right.. i have the 176 Jeffs because theyll be my all mountain jib/park ski, for a more "chargy" feel (even if people wouldnt label them as chargers) I would go 181 Jeffs or a 182 Mfree and probably find them very similar, but knowing the MFree handles better hard snow would also be another reason to potentially grab them over the Jeffs even if stability and variable skiing is similar

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    I think you kinda need to define to yourself what you mean by chargy -

    longer ee / more stability (which would give a higher speed limit too) -> go up in lenght in either design
    being able to drive them more through the front part of the ski / shovels (and intrinsically have a high speed limit) -> what I mean with chargy (the three aforementioned skis will be superior to j108s)

    in other words, seperate a higher speed limit from driving a ski through a more aggressive stance (the latter being chargy).

    182 MF108s skis short for their straight pull length and are too loose to be chargy imho, but they do have a high speed limit in most conditions other than dense variable (where it more comes down to skier ability - if you are a strong skier they will do fine, if not you could probably benefit from a stiffer ski that you can lean more into).

    (edited my previous reply for clarity)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    The 192 is no slouch, especially when used by your not so average shredder aka the Mayor of Stomptown



    I have to admit that I would opt for both ON3P Woodsman110s and Wildcat108s over 182 MF108s (192 is way too much ski for me), but that being said - I still think that the MF108 is one of the best skis to have been released in this segment in forever, it is a freaking great ski.
    Jeeeez. It just moved up a few spots on my "to demo" list. The 190cm true length, -9ish mount point does sound pretty money.

    I want a 192 Woodsman 110, but I'm afraid it won't perform on hard snow like a Dynastar does.

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    He would have landed the back flip with some 192 billy goats and the improved tail shape...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post

    From my perspective one could choose to swap to MF108s from Jeff108s to get a ski that is equally smooth (if in a different way), still forgiving and with a high speed limit that is happy to be driven through the shovels, not that is some charger.
    This is interesting to me because the main thing I get from my 192MF vs 186 Jeff 108 is more stability at speed on hardpack.

    But I miss a lot of other things about the Jeff so just snagged a new pair and now the question is: if the MF is mostly about speed on 2d snow with the ability to deal with mixed conditions as needed, would I be happier on something like a 102 woodsman…

    I do really like the energy you get from that heavy camber on the MF, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    i prefer ON3P’s cuz I’m a fanboi.
    FIFY

    Should have left it at this..

    Sorry the MFree 108 is still superior in all conditions to the WD… and I’ve got back on the WD again just to confirm that statement.

    If I recall you like the C&D better than the BG/SG which likely has to do a lot with how you ski. The C&D will go up and over stuff vs through stuff like that BG/SG. Having never skied with you I imagine this is could be due to lower cruising speeds.

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