The Dynastar Thread

[gwat]

[waxman]

dude should pay us to take them away as punishment for putting a plate and Tyrolias on them, fuckin savage

edited to add, they rang a bell so i called around, that pair was stolen from Banff a couple of years ago, owned by store owner that had no taste in bindings obviously
the pole were his too if any mags can help in the track down i can't find the ad.

[gwat]

Craziness! Check your FB messenger.

[Caucasian Asian]

They’re still on fb marketplace




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[ZomblibulaX]

[detrusor]

Fuckin joey


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[waxman]

i sent a message saying i was interested

[DarthMarkus]

This should be interesting...

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[kc_7777]

glad that you chimed in KC - I was planning to ask you for thoughts on how R11s and MPs compare, so can't wait for your thoughts

My last two ski days at Whistler I did one day on my 2019 180cm Rustler 11s (mounted at +1cm = -6.7cm) then today on my new (last years 2020) 180cm Dynastar Protos (mounted at +3cm = -6.1cm).

Me 5’7”, 165 lbs.

One caveat. I’ve had quite a few days on the R11s. They make bad snow skiable. They make me ski better. Everywhere. Only one full day so far on the Protos....today was some windblown fresh, some deeper stuff that was pretty nice...this is the Dynastar thread so here’s my initial thoughts on them.

Fuck do the Protos turn/pivot?! It seems crazy for a ski with that much camber to be able to pivot like they do. After today all I can say is that Protos really excel (so so easy to turn) in really steep terrain and in untracked pow. Eg we were pretty close to first into Saudan when 7th opened with fresh snow that hadn’t been skied. The Protos loved the steep pitch. Haven’t felt a ski that felt better when you’re mid turn in steep untracked pow, pole pointing downhill for the next turn and you just hold hold hold the turn as the pow blows up over your downhill ski into your face. They have something? And they look f’ing cool. So ya they are magic in steep untouched pow.

They were also great in sketchy stuff that requires you to be nimble and not fuck up, or you will hit rocks, fall where you shouldn’t fall....ie high entrance to Ruby Bowl, where there was some ice and it’s really steep with rocks. These felt very easy to manage in tight steep, sketchy stuff. Maneuverability is high.

The Protos did not feel as good (to me) at high speed on lower angle bumps, or on groomer runs. The groomers were not that icy today, were pretty soft snow with little piles/bumps everywhere. Don’t know what it was but something was “off”. The Protos wouldn’t lock into a groomer turn. Or let me ski fast in tracked out bumps. I had to watch what I was doing. I had to force the skis to slide/hold in turns (cause they wouldn’t carve). If I aired off a pile of snow they needed input to land them. It was weird. I was confused. I couldn’t just let them run like the R11s do. My buddy’s even asked me why I was so slow (on groomers) today? The Protos just didn’t feel right...not balanced? Maybe I think I need to move the mount back, eg to -7 to 7.5? Which is a shock to me as I always like -6. Haha ya never know.

Whereas by R11s feel perfect in all conditions. Pow to steeps to groomers to ice. Balanced, fast , quick, strong, agile,. Whatever I’m doing they do it well. And I don’t have to think. The Protos confused me at times.

I think maybe at Whistler where you have to ski groomers and ice and mank and bumps, even on good days, the R11 would win easily. The R11 is more of an allround ski.

Will think on the Protos and maybe move them back...to +1cm or +2cm? Haha Right now they’re a quiver ski.. for steep and deep.....stay tuned.

[mr_pretzel]

Your weird groomer performance is definitely from them being mounted -6cm or they have a tune issue, re-mount them back 1.5cm and give them a go again, mine have no issues in whistler groomers and bumps at +1cm

[noslow]

My last two ski days at Whistler I did one day on my 180cm Rustler 11s (mounted at +1cm = -6.7cm) then today on my new (last years) 180cm Dynastar Menace Protos (mounted at +3cm = -6.1cm). Me 5’7”, 165 lbs.

One caveat. I’ve had quite a few days on the R11s. They make bad snow skiable. They make me ski better. Everywhere. Only one full day so far on the Protos....today was some windblown fresh, some deeper stuff that was pretty nice...this is the Dynastar thread so here’s my initial thoughts on them.

Fuck do the Protos turn/pivot?! It seems crazy for a ski with that much camber to be able to pivot like they do. After today all I can say is that Protos really excel (so so easy to turn) in really steep terrain and in untracked pow. Eg we were pretty close to first into Saudan when 7th opened with fresh snow that hadn’t been skied. The Protos loved the steep pitch. Haven’t felt a ski that felt better when you’re mid turn in steep untracked pow, pole pointing downhill for the next turn and you just hold hold hold the turn as the pow blows up over your downhill ski into your face. They have something? And they look f’ing cool. So ya they are magic in steep untouched pow.

They were also great in sketchy stuff that requires you to . Ie high entrance to Ruby Bowl, some ice and really steep and rocks and you don’t want to fall. These felt very easy to manage in tight sketchy stuff. Maneuverability is high.

The Protos did not feel as good at high speed on lower angle bumps, packed pow or on groomer runs. The Groomers were not icy today, but were pretty soft snow with little piles/bumps everywhere. Don’t know what it was but something was “off”. The Protos wouldn’t lock into a groomer turn. Or let me ski fast in tracked out bumps. I had to watch what I was doing. I had to force the skis to slide into turns (cause they wouldn’t carve). If I aired off a pile of snow they needed input to land them. It was weird. I was confused. I couldn’t just let them run like the R11s do. My buddy’s even asked me why I was so slow (on groomers) today? The Protos just didn’t feel right...not balanced? Maybe I think I need to move the mount back, eg -7 to 7.5? Which is a shock to me as I always like -6. Haha ya never know.

Whereas by R11s feel perfect in all conditions. Pow to steeps to groomers to ice. Balanced, fast , quick, strong, agile,. Whatever I’m doing they do it well. And I don’t have to think. The Protos confused me at times.

I think maybe at Whistler where you have to hit groomers and ice and mank and bumps, even on good days, the R11 wins easily. It’s way more an allround ski.

Will think on the Protos and maybe move them back...to +1.5 or +2? Right now they’re a quiver ski.. for steep and deep. Not all
Around. And they are way back in line behind the R11s...stay tuned.

Your description of a ski that’s super surfy in soft snow yet unstable in hard is almost always due to a “base high” ski and just needs a stone grind to flatten the bases and reset the edges. Base high is the “marbles under your skis” feeling.

Much more common to have “edge high” bases on new skis where the ski doesn’t like pivot easily. Anytime someone feels the need to “detune” a modern ski, it’s usually edge high and again a stone grind and edge reset would allow them to run a ski sharp tip/tail.

My Menace 98s, Slicers etc were all edge high and super locked into a turn before stone grinding and my Rustler 9s and a few park skis have base high and felt super unstable and sketchy like your Protos.

[TAFKALVS]

It's your mount point and the fact you are on the 180cm, you're really far forward. I skied my 189s 2/3 of the day yesterday and did not feel the same way.

This ski has a very aggressive tapered tip, pulling the sidecut backwards. Going nearly 4cm forwards of recommended is going to make for some weird hardsnow performance.

[Eluder]

I have my 180 protos on the line, I have other skis at -6 or -7 and like that fine but feel the proto at this length probably wouldnt work more than +1 or so for me. The tips are just too soft. I am a directional skier that doesn't mind traditional mount points for what its worth. It is a much easier ski than I anticipated.

[kc_7777]

Ya I think my theory that I will always like mounts at -6cm (which is why I went +3cm from -9.1cm recommended) is suspect.

I'll likely remount back 2cm at +1cm. And maybe a base grind for good measure.

Thanks!

KC

[noslow]

Ya I think my theory that I will always like mounts at -6cm (which is why I went +3cm from -9.1cm recommended) is suspect.

I'll likely remount back 2cm at +1cm. And maybe a base grind for good measure.

Thanks!

KC

A base high ski will still feel unstable still at -12cm and an edge high ski will still be “hard to pivot” still at -3cm.

Try Stone grinding the bases flat first, reset the edge angles and I’m sure it will be a totally different ski.

Only change mounts after you’ve re-tuned the ski and still feel the need to(although I doubt you will).

[forty]

ive got some first gen protos i snagged on covid clearance sitting here with fks to slap on, thinking about mount points after seeing some comments and reviews

any more feedback from those with more time, difference between first gen and newer enough to change mount?

for an old school drive the tips skier who loves their xxls and doesnt do flippy spinny shit, whats the consensus, on the line?

[TAFKALVS]

Mount them on the line.

Why does everyone think they need to mount these forward?

Stop reading blister.

[GoldMember]

Mount them on the line.

Why does everyone think they need to mount these forward?

Stop reading blister.

Agreed. I always have mounted on the line and have never been disappointed. Too much thinking going on....

[Bandit Man]

Mount them on the line.

Why does everyone think they need to mount these forward?

Stop reading blister.

🤣🤣🤣 Woody speaks truth!!

[ticketchecker]

Agreed. I always have mounted on the line and have never been disappointed. Too much thinking going on....

Marshal taught me years ago to do +1 with my 24.5 micro boots. Usually when I veer from that and go on the line I wish I was forward a bit, that’s about all the thinking I can handle


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[The Tortoise]

24.5??

Do you fall down a lot?

[forty]

Mount them on the line.

Why does everyone think they need to mount these forward?

Stop reading blister.

Agreed. I always have mounted on the line and have never been disappointed. Too much thinking going on....

🤣🤣🤣 Woody speaks truth!!

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im hoping these have the dynastar dna i know and love with a little more playfulness for slow speed casual skiing and friendlier to my knees

[TAFKALVS]

Yup, spot on, they have the DNA, they like to go fast like your xxl, just can go sideways fast too, not just straight and fast.

Don't expect them to be some mellow pow noodle, they are a Dynastar.

[mr_pretzel]

Mount them on the line.

Why does everyone think they need to mount these forward?

Stop reading blister.

I don’t think I need to and they would ski great on the line, just trying to make the ski feel a little bit more balanced in the air and on take offs. It has a playful shape and basically a twinned tail, but I agree it is stupid and you should probably mount on the line

[DarthMarkus]

I don’t think I need to and they would ski great on the line, just trying to make the ski feel a little bit more balanced in the air and on take offs. It has a playful shape and basically a twinned tail, but I agree it is stupid and you should probably mount on the line

I think the argument regarding the mount point on the PROTO/m-free 118 isn't really an argument on the ski. It's a difference in skiing styles. I can understand why some people like it forward (like me) as well as why people like it further back.

If you're in the air a lot (i.e. richard Permin) then go forward. If not, go rec. Regardless of what you choose, the ski can actually adapt to either. Can't say the same about the prorider, personally; that ski is meant to be on the rec. line, imo. So props to dynastar for making the PROTO as versatile as it is.

The last thing I'd add about the ski is that it does have a break in period. Don't make too many assumptions about the ski until you get 5+ days on it.