The Dynastar Thread

[oetk2]

Dynastar Menace 98 in 187 skis longer than the Mfree 99. The long low rocker is more refined for firm snow and still forgiving in tight terrain, trees, and bumps. I've skied them in up to 10" of hot pow and they work there as well. Dead easy and fun, but has a reasonably high speed limit when you want to open it up. This ski was in Dynastar's lineup for over 10 years in various iterations, I think it was originally the Big Trouble followed by the Slicer 98.

190+ and under 100mm underfoot is usually a full charger

I remember reading somewhere, no clue if it's actually true, that the 185 mfree 99 is just the 182 slicer/menace with some added rocker/taper

[jackattack]

I remember reading somewhere, no clue if it's actually true, that the 185 mfree 99 is just the 182 slicer/menace with some added rocker/taper

ok, maybe, sure. but rocker profile, tip shape/taper, and layup are all different.
the 187 Menace 98 has a proper stout wood core that is heavier than the shorter lengths.
It's a grown man's ski in dayglo clothing.

[oetk2]

Yes, 187 was burlier than the 181

[jackattack]

The 187 Menace 98 skis pretty differently from the 185 M-Free 99. The Menace has a much longer turn radius and sidecut length. But, to me, they felt torsionally softer than the M-Free 99 on edge. Even though there was a lot of ski touching the ski when tipped over, the Menace felt more vague and less solid in grip than the M-Free.

It seems logical that the shorter running length yields higher edge pressure. I do think you're correct about the torsional stiffness, the mfree layup is notable in this regard. At my size and weight, I felt more stability and very good edge hold from the menace and the mfree was less stable and predictable.

[2FUNKY]

Hmm, sounds like a need to find a menace to replace my 4Frnt codys. Such a fun ski.


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[kid-kapow]

I remember reading somewhere, no clue if it's actually true, that the 185 mfree 99 is just the 182 slicer/menace with some added rocker/taper

SkiEssentials spout that jibberish in some of their videos, but it is not true. Like at all. Or rather, they say that the BlackOps98 and the slicer / menance is the same. I can't re-find the graphic for the BO98, but there are a lot of subtle differences between the two. The difference in tail splay is pretty easy to tell in this pic.

The M-Free and Slicer iare nothing alike. The M-Free 108 depicted below has the exact same rocker lines as the 99.

The section behind the binding is significantly shorter than the part in front, so there is a lot of room to move the binding before moving forward of the camber. I think Sander Hadley mentioned in some interview (as it blister?) that he has been riding his as far forward as +4.

I can't remember the actual numbers/measurements, but I have measured it. I have also thought a lot about it/camber because of the somewhat surprising find. The "imbalance" was so stark that figuring out how what is a natural imbalance between the front and rear contact points makes the skis so loose on piste made rethink camber all together. Re below - you get the general idea even if it is not accurate to the mm.

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For reference, I mount my 189/192s at +1.5, my 182/"185"s at +1 (1.5 didn't feel right for me on the 182s, nor did the line - 1 was money). Both skis ski fine on the line, but where moving +1 on the shorter length made the ski feel stronger and more capable when driving the skis, whereas the 192 felt more balance / less tip heavy for my tiny bsl at 293.

Evo's 2025 Dynastar preview is live

The M-Pro and M-Free lineups are the major story at Dynastar. Both lines feature Dyastar’s signature Hybrid Core 2.0, an evolved eco construction with wood and polyurethane in the core, along with wood grain arranged in three orientations for a stable, quiet, and powerful ride.

The M-Pro comes in 108Ti, 100Ti, 94Ti, and 85 models with unisex sizing, and 98, 92, and 85 “women’s” models with smaller sizing. Every model except the 108Ti features the updated construction. New M-Pro skis will receive a more modern tail shape and profile, a shorter turn radius that’s easier to initiate, better balance from tip to tail, and reduced weight. The overall goal is to create a ski that’s more fun and less demanding, while still providing plenty of power. You can find the 100Ti in sizes 162 - 186cm, the 94Ti in sizes 154 - 186cm, and the 85 in 154 - 185cm. You can find the M-Pro W 98 in sizes 154 - 178cm, 92 in sizes 146 - 178cm, and 85 in sizes 149 - 167cm.

We know you’re wondering about the M-Pro “women”, so here’s the lowdown. While data shows that increasingly, people see through the marketing (and especially women researching a powerful ski like the M-Pro), shops still request gendered products, and people still buy them, so for now, the “W” designation stays. The skis themselves feature the same construction as their unisex counterparts. The size ranges are developed based on market research where women buy – hence the variance from Unisex models – but their function and makeup is exactly the same.

The Updated M-Free sees fewer changes than the M-Free, based on athlete feedback. You can find the M-Free in 112, 108, 99, and 90 models. The new version has a slightly stronger tail and more pop, a bit more stiffness, overall reduced weight, and more sizing across the board. The 112 is aimed squarely at power riders and only available in a 183 - 190cm, but the 108 and down are fully unisex, with the 108 available in sizes ranging from 162 - 192cm.

Four women of different heights and ski styles switched these models amongst themselves and collectively felt they were all super solid skis. The M-Free skis more centered, is lighter, and is overall easier to ski longer, while the M-Pro is a bit more directional, chargey, heavy, and best skied at the classic ski shop length of “somewhere between your chin and forehead.” For long, hard groomers, the M-pro 94 will be a great choice for anyone looking for a sub-100 ski or who likes to go fast and hard, while the M-Free is for the friend always disappearing into the trees to find a side hit or two.

For the frontside inclined the M-Cross / E - Cross W get the Hybrid Core 2.0 construction, and for the park enthusiasts, the Menace has an all new construction, with a poplar core and cap construction sidewall.

• New M-Pro
• New M-Free
• Updated M-Cross / E - Cross W
  
• New Menace

[gwat]

^Menace’s are fun for sure, good for some casual laps but I feel undergunned when I want to open things up.

Anybody have time on the new Pros? How the heck do I decide between Mpro99 and Mpro100? 🤯

[beeeom]

So the m-free 118 is discontinued next year?

Shiiiiit. Better stock up now.

[D(C)]

Apparently, there is a 185 M-Free 108 for 2025. The ski will come in 170, 178, 185 and 192. I'll be curious to see if the new 185 is dimensionally identical to the current 182, which measures the same as the 185 M-Free 99, or if it is in fact the in-between length many of us have wished existed.

[CaliBrit]

Apparently, there is a 185 M-Free 108 for 2025. The ski will come in 170, 178, 185 and 192. I'll be curious to see if the new 185 is dimensionally identical to the current 182, which measures the same as the 185 M-Free 99, or if it is in face the in-between length many of us have wished existed.

Oh yeah this is very interesting I’d buy a 185. If it is not the 182!

[GoldMember]

185 is definitely a better length for me. I tried the 182 and felt a 186 would be about right. Apparently they listened to the their user feedback.

[waxman]

^Menace’s are fun for sure, good for some casual laps but I feel undergunned when I want to open things up.

Anybody have time on the new Pros? How the heck do I decide between Mpro99 and Mpro100? ��

I'm trying to get you some time on them.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Maybe true, but it feels less painful to agree with 2funky, so he gets the point.

I love you man


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[shroom]

menace 98 in 187 is a nice friendly ski. teaching or skiing with n00bs it would be a good pick. curious to fondle the next iteration

[scumpup]

maaaaan why couldn't they announce the 112 last year I would have bought that in an instant.

[tang]

I'm curious about the new M-Tour 100... pretty light if the 186 is <1400. Sounds like it follows the MPro shape. I'm guessing its going after the Zero G 95/105.
I really hope the M-Vert 88 comes to North America next year - that seems like a money ski mtneering ski

[Bandit Man]

maaaaan why couldn't they announce the 112 last year I would have bought that in an instant.

Because this year was the year of the Sender Free 110. Staggering the product release cycle gives Dynastar something to hype next year and makes Look/Dynastar/Rossignol more scratch.

[tgapp]

collective thoughts on the m108 182cm? sounds like the 185cm might be slightly better but i am considering getting the 182cm m108 as a travel ski and putting casts on them for YURP.

context: 155lbs, advanced skier, ~70 days on the 185cm mfree99s which I love to death, just want slightly wider



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[2FUNKY]

collective thoughts on the m108 182cm? sounds like the 185cm might be slightly better but i am considering getting the 182cm m108 as a travel ski and putting casts on them for YURP.

context: 155lbs, advanced skier, ~70 days on the 185cm mfree99s which I love to death, just want slightly wider



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NW_Skier is in the 182. He is a little heavier than you now, dudes been getting yoked on weights and loves his 182’s. He ski’s hard and has zero issues.


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[TAFKALVS]

collective thoughts on the m108 182cm? sounds like the 185cm might be slightly better but i am considering getting the 182cm m108 as a travel ski and putting casts on them for YURP.

context: 155lbs, advanced skier, ~70 days on the 185cm mfree99s which I love to death, just want slightly wider



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Do it. If you like the 99, you’ll love the 108

[GoldMember]

I'm taking my MPro 108's out this week for the inaugural run. I'm really excited to see how these do with the new snow we're getting starting Tuesday night! Forecast for Schweitzer is for 27-41" new with good temps from Tuesday through Thursday. Perfect conditions to test these out. TAFKALVS, this all is based largely on your 'scientific' review of the 182 (which I got) and how they responded. You outweigh me by about 15 lbs so I think this length should be killer! This is going to be fun!

[TAFKALVS]

Awesome. I skied my 182s this weekend and loved them. My only recommendation is a slight detune in the tips and tails around the rocker contact points… should be ready to rip after that!

[GoldMember]

Cool, thanks. I'll dull em up a bit Wednesday night.

[2FUNKY]

Awesome. I skied my 182s this weekend and loved them. My only recommendation is a slight detune in the tips and tails around the rocker contact points… should be ready to rip after that!

You detune now? What the hell is the world coming to……


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[TAFKALVS]

You detune now? What the hell is the world coming to……


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Hell yeah I detune… only after I ski something from the wrapper though.

Ask Kai about the detune I did to my billygoats sometime [emoji23]