What? I’m 75 kg and think the 192 LP 105 skis great
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What? I’m 75 kg and think the 192 LP 105 skis great
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I rip the groomed on tele gear
I am 77kg and the 192 LP 105 is definitely a little big for me. I can ski them if I drive them super hard, but it really takes a lot of speed to get them to come to life. I think I could charge 90% as hard on the 186 and have way more maneuverability. Granted I am a tele skier, if I were locked down maybe I could own them a little better. The 192s are still super fun in the right conditions and terrain, and if nothing else they are a cool novelty. No speed limit whatsoever. I gotta get them up on the cirque at snowbird one of these days..
Skied my 192 MFree 108’s at Blackcomb today and I have a confession…I believe they are a better soft snow ski than my K108’s. As many others have said, they make the whole mountain a playground. Also, they were pleasantly manageable in the tight chutes and couliors Blackcomb is know for.
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the LP105s on the Cirque are amazing. Thats exactly what they're built for. It's what ill miss most about my pair.
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I love big dumps.
hm, day two on le 99s.
They are as easy to ski as you'd expect. The rocker lines / contact points / flex pattern actually feel really dialed. They are actually quite fun on groomers when you get used to how they feel. I am not sure if what I am feeling is "just" the camber being decompressed / making it feel like there is some give in the ski, or if there is a stiffer section underfoot that kinda hinges/pivots on the softer tips tails (eh, that might seem like the same thing as the camber being decompressed, but I am trying to describe something different), but regardless - they kinda feel like they are going to fold, but do not, at all. They just remain loose and do what you tell them to (without being a charger by any stretch of the imagination). So kinda similar to MF108s in that regard - where you feel the softer (relatively speaking) shovels, but where they continue to be more supportive than they feel (if that makes sense). I can't say that the softer shovels have provided any unwanted actions / surprises yet.
I speculate that that is why some people get on the 108 182s and feel like they are supportive enough ( aka people with good technique and a more upright stance), whereas others - me included, that are used to stiffer shovels - feel like they are too soft up front, but where they perhaps are not, it just feels like it (if that makes sense). So the shovels flexing / not feeling as supportive is perhaps as much down to their more pointed shape / taper lines and lots of camber than them being "too soft" as such.
Perhaps I will have to pick up a second pair to find out. Still, I would love a 182 pair with the same flex pattern as 192s.
Kid Kapow, what flex are your boots?
I guess I had a few moments early in the season where I felt the shovels were too soft after almost going over the handlebars while wearing a heavy pack and having one of the t-bolts out of my Tecnica Cochise 140 boots.
I lightened my pack, stiffened up my boots to where they should be, and worked on my balance and I have now not any too soft shovel moments.
. Sounds more like a technique thing than all that other junk. Most ski’s like to be driven differently. Some want tip pressure while some want ball of the foot with mild cuff pressure while some want almost no cuff pressure and steered from the mid foot. Sounds like you guys are just figuring that out with that ski. Focus on what the ski wants rather than less pack weight, boot stiffness/lack of etc.
Took me a good few days to really click with my 99's coming from my 3 other skis 102,108 steeple and a bg. Mf99 was fun straight away but to be intuitive i had to adapt a bit from my others. Mfree is definitely a keeper though. Ill ski it till it dies most likely
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I loved my M-Free 99s right away. Everywhere.
Whereas I didn’t like the Volkl M102 everywhere (was good on groomers, not in tight stuff).
But I also ski centered, pressing into my shins and like “easy” feeling skis (Eg most recently been spending time on Nordica Enforcer 104, Blizzard Rustler 11, Icelantic Nomad, Salomon Blank, 4FRNT Ravens, Atomic Bentchetlers, Faction Candides etc).
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I love big dumps.
Took these beauties out for a rip. 194. Great in the chalk and chop. Not so great through the trees exits. They don't exactly flex and slide through bobsled exits.![]()
I use Lange XT3 130 LVs most of the time. The sensation I am trying to describe is not down to boot flex, or my (lack of) skiing technique.
Figuring out how to ski a ski is always my starting point, not expecting it instantly fit with how I prefer to ski. I have learned a lot about skiing technique by working through different ski designs and copying ski techniques that other skiers use. So the goal is always to find a ski that compliments how I like to ski most of the time, or have something that is really niche.
The interesting thing with MF99s is just how many subtle differences they have to say ON3P Woodsman96s - to name another ski that is in my quiver. The flex pattern is quite different - woods are stiffer throughout, and MF99s seem to have this stiffer section underfoot together with softer tips/tails (that feels different to anything else that I have been on (perhaps it is the titanal binding thing I am feeling, dunno)). The taper points are different, but where I kinda feel like the tapering is actually what makes the softer tips work well in the conditions I have used them in - that is, they only engange and take you through a turn if you tell them to (but where it is easy to change the arc as you go along). Also, where the woods' mount point is pretty close to being in the center of the cambered section, that is not the case with MFs that have a very noticeable rear bias (was it 4/3 relatively? Can't remember and I am not where they are now).
It just makes sense to me that they ski like they do when taking these things into consideration. Like, no wonder the back ski is loose in soft snow if the ski both have a front ski volume bias, is tapered front to back, have lots of tail taper and have pretty soft tails - especially aft of the contact points. It makes perfect sense that they will be loose in soft snow even if they have a fair bit of camber. The same holds true on groomers - their behaviour makes sense when taking their shape and flex pattern into consideration. It also makes sense to me that wood96s feel very different and like more ski. Yeah, not rocket science or radical insights here I know, but still.
I just find it interesting to figure out why something behaves they way it behaves. More so than "just" stating that something is good or not, or predicate a review / thoughts on a ski by how well it fits to how I like to ski.
Such a timeless classic. Would love a retro re-issue of that top sheet on an Mfree108 or the new MPro108.
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Is that the pair you got off me?
If so, I’m glad to see them getting use.
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Yeah it is. I've had a few days on them..mostly when it's chalky and springish. Good times.its a fun ski but it really highlights how far skis have come. It is definitely an OG pow smasher but here are better options for sure. I'll often take those or my XXL out for a rip but my cham 107 is still a hard favorite of any of my skis and it's a quiver of many shapes and brands. Like the above two but carves and floats better.
Anyone with MF99’s interested in moving on from them? Or even possibly a trade for On3p Wren 98s? Really interested in that ski.
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Anyone done a SxS comparo of the M Pro 90s and the Brahma 88s?
Looking for a firm snow / crap snow ski, to use off piste on the west coast, and I'm M-Pro 90 curious.
Would be replacing 10 year old OG Enforcer 98s (flat tail lightning bolt double titanal heavy and damp AF ski, forgiving initial flex and then good support deep in the flex). Basically I really like my E98s but as the skinniest ski in my quiver I want more bite on windscraped boilerplate groom, and I also want a little more modern tip/tail so I don't have to work too hard once the snow starts softening or getting into thick/variable spots. I tried the current E94s and jived with the flex and versatility overall but found them too turny / wanting to pull me into a fixed turn shape (which I don't like). I tried the current Brahma 88s and really liked them, but ran out of time during the demo and didn't get to test on nasty dust on crust w/ lurking death cookies or other crap conditions where I want this ski to do as well as my E98s do. The concept of the M-Pro shape has me more excited than the Brahma shape. Note that I have my E98 tail heavily detuned so that I can still get it around when I get bucked backwards - I'm not obsessed with flat tail skis at all, just ones that immediately settle in crap conditions.
In the warmer midday/afternoon periods or on more forgiving snow, the crap snow ski would go back to the truck/RV and my ON3P Woods 108s would come out, just to give you a sense of the quiver jump there. I'm not a charger, ripper, spinner or flipper. Just an out of shape dad with bogus form who gets to ski 30-90 minutes at a time, and during that time looking for fun on the hill where non-masochistic skiers aren't.
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Not what you're asking for, but after being very impressed with the Mantra 102 this year, I'm looking at the Kendo 88 or 92 for the same use you're describing.
As I understand it both will be revised with the 3d-sidecut design next year
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