DPS Phantom Glide

[Andyski]

It’s too bad AlpineZone isn’t still around to put up a 1,000-page thread on this

[swissiphic]

Thanks for the link. 100 +/- bucks for a lifetime of flat bases and structuring? Sold. Good group buy for a crew of buddies. Always frustrating buying new boards and having to get em ground before leaving the shop due to railed bases. Seems like every season I'm checking a buddy's new boards' bases with a true bar and advising a flatting grind after they hate their new skis 'cause their hooky in crust and hard snow due to edge high bases; usually coinciding with lack of detune in tips and tails after pulling them out of the wrapper.

[johnnyg82]

Re: wax in the watershed: What happens to the stuff that is ground off the base? Does that just go in the garbage?

[geo039]

These whippersnappers over on NS did some nice work getting some insight. Marshall where you at?
http://www.newschoolers.com/forum/th...ax-revolution-

[TahoeJ]

^^^ "We can calculate that the amount of fluoro left on the mountain after ten million
skier/snowboarder visits will be, at most, 38 pounds.* To put this number into perspective, 38
pounds of fluoro, in the form of discarded microwave popcorn bags, are thrown into trash bins
around America every 15 minutes.** Clearly, the environmental impact of the fluoro in snow
waxes is miniscule and, in comparison with the very real hazards endangering our planet from
other sources, it is insignificant."

[jackattack]

Just as I suspected.

[#######]

^^^ "We can calculate that the amount of fluoro left on the mountain after ten million
skier/snowboarder visits will be, at most, 38 pounds.* To put this number into perspective, 38
pounds of fluoro, in the form of discarded microwave popcorn bags, are thrown into trash bins
around America every 15 minutes.** Clearly, the environmental impact of the fluoro in snow
waxes is miniscule and, in comparison with the very real hazards endangering our planet from
other sources, it is insignificant."

I never understood that "feel good" bullshit, but the real danger from fluoro is exposure during application, but you basically need to be waxing thousands of skis on a closet before your mind starts to slip. I emailed and asked for an MSDS... no reply, probably because they're rolling around in the extra $70k they picked up and don't give a fuck.

[skiitsbetter]

These whippersnappers over on NS did some nice work getting some insight. Marshall where you at?
http://www.newschoolers.com/forum/th...ax-revolution-

Got to give the footwear proofer a try!
https://www.mountainwarehouse.com/ca...er-p2719.aspx/

[Not Neil_Armstrong]

They lost me at (kickstarter) kids these days...

[summit]

nooskoolers is smarties

[homebrewd]

snake oil sauce

Im with ya there. Waxing skis is a relaxing activity that gets the juices flowing for the next session anyways. I see no need to spend a shitload on some new gimmick when the tried and true method that costs me less than $20 a season works. I’ll spend the rest on beer and greens.

Has there been any mention of how skin adhesives will react with this new compound? Just curious if that’ll fuck up the finish.


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[skibum93]

I for one was surprised they were worth so ‘little,’ relatively speaking.

It's because they had so much debt. I'm not sure if Logan Imlach (former skier with Level 1 and Armada Engineer) uses TGR forums, but he quite a lot to say about that on Newschoolers.

[BigHerm]

Im with ya there. Waxing skis is a relaxing activity that gets the juices flowing for the next session anyways. I see no need to spend a shitload on some new gimmick when the tried and true method that costs me less than $20 a season works. I’ll spend the rest on beer and greens.

Has there been any mention of how skin adhesives will react with this new compound? Just curious if that’ll fuck up the finish.


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They specifically mention a lack of skin glue contamination being a benefit. They did not mention any diminished skin adhesion.

[Adamantium]

Where exactly are we getting this info that this stuff *requires* a base grind every ~30 ski days to maintain effectiveness? It sounds like that's an interpretation based on the promo email that went around, and conflicts with everything else. Can someone just paste the email text here?

The podcast and that pdf make it sound more like a base grind doesn't diminish the effectiveness because the stuff is throughout the depth of the base. They say you will probably still want base grinds as normal for the same reasons you always did, i.e. refreshing structure.

[Self Jupiter]

It's because they had so much debt. I'm not sure if Logan Imlach (former skier with Level 1 and Armada Engineer) uses TGR forums, but he quite a lot to say about that on Newschoolers.

Ah got it thanks

[iceclimb]

So.... if this is great, will DPS and other brands ship with this factory installed in bases? I would think they could get this deeper into bases at the factory, maybe even vacuum bag them when applying the way we used to do with carbon/Kevlar kayaks.... stronger and lighter when the resin is permeated.

If it’s not worth putting into skis at the shop.... why would I think this is anything other than an add on sale?

[jondrums]

got an update from kickstarter:

Popular Question About Stonegrinding
Posted by Alex Hunt (Collaborator)
We've received a number of questions regarding the necessity of stone grinding a Phantomed base. Here's some clarification:
Your skis or snowboard will retain a glossy black appearance after a Phantom application. After thirty days or so of use, any base material, whether it’s been Phantomed or not, will begin to look “dry” as snow abrasion starts to take its toll; a stone grind will freshen the visual appearance to new. However, to clarify any prior confusion: stone grinding is NOT required on a Phantomed base at any prescribed interval. Stone grinding is generally simply a good idea, irrespective of Phantom, to remove hair and dirt, and place a fresh structure on your ski or snowboard. Our test groups in New Zealand and Chile ran entire seasons, skiing practically everyday, without new stone grinds. In both climates, after months on snow, there was no noticeable drop in Phantom performance – only the visual appearance of the base.

[skizix]

nooskoolers is smarties

Um, sure, I guess. Patent search was slick, but like half of them say they've never waxed their skis/wax is useless (one even calls it a scam). WTF, have they never skied in well-below-zero weather or warm weather, when a ski that's dry or has the wrong wax becomes basically a snowshoe?

AFA fluoro goes: anyone here use that? I thought it was pretty much only racers. I don't: it's way more $$$, the fumes are toxic (like, you really should wear a respirator when it's on the iron), and I seriously doubt I'd ever notice the ~1% increase in speed.

[skizix]

got an update from kickstarter:

Popular Question About Stonegrinding
Posted by Alex Hunt (Collaborator)
We've received a number of questions regarding the necessity of stone grinding a Phantomed base. Here's some clarification:
Your skis or snowboard will retain a glossy black appearance after a Phantom application. After thirty days or so of use, any base material, whether it’s been Phantomed or not, will begin to look “dry” as snow abrasion starts to take its toll; a stone grind will freshen the visual appearance to new. However, to clarify any prior confusion: stone grinding is NOT required on a Phantomed base at any prescribed interval. Stone grinding is generally simply a good idea, irrespective of Phantom, to remove hair and dirt, and place a fresh structure on your ski or snowboard. Our test groups in New Zealand and Chile ran entire seasons, skiing practically everyday, without new stone grinds. In both climates, after months on snow, there was no noticeable drop in Phantom performance – only the visual appearance of the base.

HAIR?!? Seriously?

If only I could stone-grind my skins

[Mofro261]

HAIR?!? Seriously?

Yeah, base hairs, snow is abrasive.

I only use fluoro on race skis, other than cheap low fluoro bulk wax.

But all of the skis I take care of get hit with a steel brush followed by several passes with a purple scotchbrite to refresh the ski structure and remove base hairs. That and the occasional pass with a burnished metal scraper, are enough to not need a base grind until more serious work to the base is needed.

If the Tx really works... yeah it'd b nice if the skis start coming pre-treated. Saturating a base with wax is a pretty inefficient process.

[bodywhomper]

I thought saturation with a warm temp wax was SOP on new skis in the nordic race world.

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[reckless toboggan]

Fuck waxing bases bitch, I don't know how.

[XXX-er]

It might be good for those fucking dentists who drops their skis off for a wax job every week but i've never done that

also many of us have multiple ski setups so its would turn out expensive

I've base ground one pair of badly railed/concave skis that really needed a base grind but other wise it just doesnt happen and its probably not needed

get a little scratch % wise its a very small amount of the base so I might fiil/smoove it out and call er good

in otherwords the focus group for this product probably ain't us

[Angle Parking]

It might be good for those fucking dentists who drops their skis off for a wax job every week but i've never done that

also many of us have multiple ski setups so its would turn out expensive

I've base ground one pair of badly railed/concave skis that really needed a base grind but other wise it just doesnt happen and its probably not needed

get a little scratch % wise its a very small amount of the base so I might fiil/smoove it out and call er good

in otherwords the focus group for this product probably ain't us

I've been waiting for you to chime in on this one.

[XXX-er]

I thought saturation with a warm temp wax was SOP on new skis in the nordic race world.

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Not many people have a pizza oven/hotbox so mostly its LOTS of waxing that does the trick you put it on a brand new xc ski, take it all off and in a 2 hr skiing sesh the bases will be white, but after you wax/ski them a doz times you can ski longer without the base looking white

I wax a new set of skis/don't scrape and just leave them to cool completely , I might do that 6 or 10 times before scraping it all off