Style versus substance

**GeezerSteve** · 10-23-2017, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by that dude who did that thing

. . . and every last one of you attacked the form of the message (including its messenger) rather than its substance.

You don't get it. You really don't.

I didn't bother commenting on the substance of your marriage thread because it's obviously pop psychology self-help book palaver that we've all heard before, again and again and again.

**Mofro261** · 10-23-2017, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Art Shirk

Whether his opinion is "spot-on" or not isn't the point. Here's a friend's study. If you don't read it all and weigh in with approval, I don't know what to tell you dude.

If your friend is the corresponding author on that one.... there is enough substance to question his style.

**::: :::** · 10-23-2017, 12:23 PM

see Kaepernick, Colin

**digitaldeath** · 10-23-2017, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by that dude who did that thing

I really thought this was going to take longer than 40 inutes. But it didn't.

I actually TOLD YOU that I thought you guys were more about style than substance, and every last one of you attacked the form of the message (including its messenger) rather than its substance.

this is too heady

keep digging, i think you are on the brink of real stardom

**plugboots** · 10-23-2017, 12:29 PM

OK, it's definitely TL;DR, but I went back and read your post, and:
Well duh.

**My Pet Powder Goat** · 10-23-2017, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by that dude who did that thing

And I both entertain and distract you. Deny it all you want, your actions prove it true.

I managed to read about 2 sentences...

You lack both substance, and style

**digitaldeath** · 10-23-2017, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by My Pet Powder Goat

I managed to read about 2 sentences...

You lack both substance, and style

stylish

**My Pet Powder Goat** · 10-23-2017, 12:42 PM

Haha seriously, I have to scroll through pages and pages of these idiots arguing about the dumbest sanctimonious bullshit.
Nobody cares. Stop ruining great threads.

**LegoSkier** · 10-23-2017, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by that dude who did that thing

I really thought this was going to take longer than 40 inutes. But it didn't.

I actually TOLD YOU that I thought you guys were more about style than substance, and every last one of you attacked the form of the message (including its messenger) rather than its substance.

They aren't more about style vs substance, they are just being human. Humans are an inherently emotional species after all. Content and logic are fine and all but style is just as important in that that is the emotional part of any message. And while you and mtngirl are essentially correct in your content, the style is the entire issue here. Sometimes in rhetoric condescension can be a useful tool but it also must be expected to be met with defensiveness and derision.

**that dude who did that thing** · 10-23-2017, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dromontana

I think there are several good points you make here. Modern culture is in the process of pivoting in a few areas as you note & it's important that all of us put some thought into how we interact with that change. Are we agents of progress or division? Do the activities we support and the ideology we espouse help or hinder progress? These are all great questions that each of us should be able to relay without much forethought as the topics should be familiar. What concerns me is the way you deliver the message. It's not so much about the underlying point as much as the way it's structured. It's much more effective to develop rapport and rely on the generosity and reasonable nature of others to help push an agenda forward. Nobody likes someone that 'rocks the boat' more than the crowd is comfortable with. So, how about a little less aggressive, nicer approach to things? Tone it down a little & reap the bennys.

Nicely played.

**XXX-er** · 10-23-2017, 01:59 PM

So if everyone disses you cuz they think you are acting like an idiot ... whose fault would that be ?

**that dude who did that thing** · 10-23-2017, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dromontana

Except for the furry shit.

I didn't mention this in the other thread, but my marriage is also strong because we have three big dogs in the house.

**NW_SKIER** · 10-23-2017, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by that dude who did that thing

I didn't mention this in the other thread, but my marriage is also strong because we have three big dogs in the house.

Well we already know your name. What do you call the other two?

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 10-23-2017, 03:06 PM

Dear Pio,

My work is very much connected to what you are talking trying to describe. I'm lucky to spend time with people who are among the most powerful voices in the world for equity in education. The biggest difference between them and you is that they have a fundamental respect for the intellect and experiences of their audience, whether that audience is made up of supporters or those whose beliefs and practices function to sustain the White supremacy. They possess a great deal of humility and capacity for empathy, as well as great self confidence.

You, on the other hand, have an air of someone who would like to believe he possesses special knowledge. I've seen no evidence of this special knowledge. You act as if you have a monopoly on Truth. There is no such thing.

Perhaps spending time with people who constantly reject your message reifies, for you, the illusion that you are special? Or maybe you're just a masochist who's too shy to ask his wife to tie him up and paddle him on the ass.

**GeezerSteve** · 10-23-2017, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!

reifies

Whoa bro, pullin' out Guy Debord lexicon. Well played

**that dude who did that thing** · 10-23-2017, 03:12 PM

I always love it when someone accuses me of arrogance while pretending they can diagnose me over the internet. Talk about some fucking style over substance.