Best triple to make 180mm

[grinch]

I'd like to put a 180mm triple clamp on my rune. I see there's a 180 mm shaft for boxxer team 2016-15. Will that fit in a 2017? Can that be done to a current World Cup? Preferably wc to keep it light. Any others? Dorado? zoke c2r2, suntour , and xfusion probably too heavy. That new , cheaper dvo triple has diamond internals so that would be ez to make 180 and a good option but it's not on the dvo site yet

[jm2e]

Why? Is this a 29er thing?

[Damian Sanders]

I'd say for 180mm a Fox 36mm is more reasonable. If you REALLY need a double triple clamp fork, why not just run a 200mm?

[grinch]

Why? Is this a 29er thing?

Just 27.5. This build in a 9er be cool to try though

I'd say for 180mm a Fox 36mm is more reasonable. If you REALLY need a double triple clamp fork, why not just run a 200mm?

Rune is 160 and this will be pedal everything bike and shuttle. Rune might turn into a darkside(later purchase). This bike will pedal dh trails and shuttle/park with burly wheels too. I guess I'd add fox in my og question but their maintenance schedule doesn't fit with mine generally. I have a diamond on it now that I'll lower the travel to put on a scout(possibly)

[Damian Sanders]

I'd say put on the 200mm world cup and don't worry about it too much. Set the Rune to the low/slack dropout position. You could add a couple more bottomless tokens and run slightly less pressure in the boxxer than otherwise, that would make it sag slightly lower in it's travel.

[grinch]

I'd say put on the 200mm world cup and don't worry about it too much. Set the Rune to the low/slack dropout position. You could add a couple more bottomless tokens and run slightly less pressure in the boxxer than otherwise, that would make it sag slightly lower in it's travel.

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[Damian Sanders]

I'm one of probably very few people who's raced DH on a 150mm travel frame with a 200mm fork, though it was many many years ago. It worked surprisingly well.

[kidwoo]

Grinch: Any of the old fox 40 coils can be lowered. There's crown clearance for 27.5 wheels on the 26" ones.

And yes anything that works on a 2015 boxxer will work on a 2017. They haven't changed anything. If it's a black fork with a charger damper, they're all the same.

You can shorten the travel on an air fork but the problem with that is that the dimple position within the stanchion wall for setting the negative chamber doesn't move. So it's essentially in the wrong place and you'll get a pretty small neg chamber volume. That's going to make the fork stiffer off the top, easier to top out, and generally not ride as smoothly.

[grinch]

Grinch: Any of the old fox 40 coils can be lowered. There's crown clearance for 27.5 wheels on the 26" ones.

And yes anything that works on a 2015 boxxer will work on a 2017. They haven't changed anything. If it's a black fork with a charger damper, they're all the same.

You can shorten the travel on an air fork but the problem with that is that the dimple position within the stanchion wall for setting the negative chamber doesn't move. So it's essentially in the wrong place and you'll get a pretty small neg chamber volume. That's going to make the fork stiffer off the top, easier to top out, and generally not ride as smoothly.

Thanks , I guess that's why the enduro evo was specced with the team as opposed to the wc. 26" 40 too, something to consider I wouldn't hAve thought of. I've seen a good deal on a new team and a 180 shaft for sale but that shaft ad says "up to 2016". MAybe it's an old ad that was put up before this year.
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[kidwoo]

As far as I know the only difference in boxxer team forks since they went to the black/charger setup is the drop stop bumper thing. The first year or two had a preloadable elastomer as a bottom out bumper. Newer ones just have a bumper on the inside of the damper side stanchion. But either way you could piece it together. They didn't make any chassis changes.

[grinch]

As far as I know the only difference in boxxer team forks since they went to the black/charger setup is the drop stop bumper thing. The first year or two had a preloadable elastomer as a bottom out bumper. Newer ones just have a bumper on the inside of the damper side stanchion. But either way you could piece it together. They didn't make any chassis changes.

Cool. New ones are still a reasonable weight. Thought I might be able to find that new dvo triple. Weird it's not on the website yet. Cheaper and lighter than the emerald and ez to drop the travel with just a spacer. I've been happy with my diamond. Took a bit to dial it in. A lot of adjustment options.
Leaning towards the team just because it's ez. I'd like new or next to new and light as can be

[kidwoo]

You should just find a cheap totem.

Which is an oxymoron because at this point I don't there there is such a thing as an expensive totem.

[scrublover]

You should just find a cheap totem.

Which is an oxymoron because at this point I don't there there is such a thing as an expensive totem.

^^^this.

hell, I've got one I'd let go very cheaply, but it's got a pretty short steer tube. makes it a tough sell, considering buying a new CSU for the thing will increase the price quite a bit.

[grinch]

You should just find a cheap totem.

Which is an oxymoron because at this point I don't there there is such a thing as an expensive totem.

^^^this.

hell, I've got one I'd let go very cheaply, but it's got a pretty short steer tube. makes it a tough sell, considering buying a new CSU for the thing will increase the price quite a bit.

Had a totem. Nice fork. I'd prefer to get a new lyric though in that case. Much improved damping and crazy light for a 180.The 180 lyric is still an option, just curious on the triple options. Pretty sure I'm going to go triple though. Added adjustments with the triple, can convert to 200 if I need to, and if I crash I don't rip brake lines off, and I just prefer to have an extra crown for bigger stuff or ,in particular ,when I screw up on bigger stuff .. Talked to a friend at the shop today. He has his old 180 rod from his team that was on his endo evo and a sweet deal on a team. Really has me thinking that's the way. Still might check atleast on that new dvo. Thanks for the offer scrub.

[kidwoo]

I just want to point out that a totem with a 1.5 steerer and corresponding goofy looking stem is every bit as stiff and burly as a boxxer

[forty]

fyi the a-c height on a boxxer at 200 is only 10mm more than a lyrik at 180, its actually damn near the same as my vengeance at 170, ive thought hard a few times about putting a boxxer on my sx trail and using the vengeance on a trail bike build... i vote run it at 200 and dont even worry about the small geo change

[grinch]

I just want to point out that a totem with a 1.5 steerer and corresponding goofy looking stem is every bit as stiff and burly as a boxxer

Ya they should discontinue the boxxer. Charger dampers too
To bad no one has 1.5 now

fyi the a-c height on a boxxer at 200 is only 10mm more than a lyrik at 180, its actually damn near the same as my vengeance at 170, ive thought hard a few times about putting a boxxer on my sx trail and using the vengeance on a trail bike build... i vote run it at 200 and dont even worry about the small geo change

Good to know but it'll still be a pedal bike so I'd like 180. Also not too concerned about a-c. I run my bars fairly high(20mm spacers and 40mm bar on my diamond with 105?mm ht)and the added geo change options are good w a triple(use my 20mm bar with more upright 28mm dm stem and fm stem spacers). That's the bonus. We have a lot of steep dh trails so I can slacken the bike even more on occasion. Just what I'm thinking I'd like to try. I could end up with it at 200 I suppose

[kidwoo]

To bad no one has 1.5 now

You talkin headtubes? You might

What frame?

[grinch]

You talkin headtubes? You might

What frame?

V2 rune. Tapered ht
It'll be 180 team, 180 lyric or 180 new mystery dvo triple. A little separation between my 160 diamond and what I end up with covers more(yet another reason for a possible triple)

[kidwoo]

If you're looking at single crowns, why not a 36?

As stiff or stiffer than a lyrik and way better damping.

[grinch]

If you're looking at single crowns, why not a 36?

As stiff or stiffer than a lyrik and way better damping.

I agree. It was something I noticed at world champs. That course pushed the best to their limits and I noticed that a lot of boxers blew through corners and fox riders had more control. That being said, I don't have complete faith in 180 single crowns. Fox crowns creaking/loosening are well documented and it's more of an issue when you get to 180. Rock shock is not excluded from this. I also agree with your previous stiffness comment but I also think that a catastrophic failure at the crown/steerer junction is more possible with a sc rather than a triple. It probably won't happen(sheer) but if I'm playing my best poker hand , especially looking at longevity, I'll take a triple and the 1lb difference. Not too mention all the other options I've noted a triple gives you. Thanks for your feed back , and others. Definitely respect your opinion and most definitely internal tech knowledge. Seems like I've offended people's senses considering putting a triple on a pedal bike lol. It's just a bike and some new crazy bits to try. My apologies

[kidwoo]

I've had 3 36 forks over the last 5 years and none of them creaked, even the 180 one which I beat the living shit out of.

But honestly man, your best bet is an old fox 40 RC2. Better damping, a system made to lower it without dealing with rods, and so much better constructed it's not even funny. The only thing you'll get out of a newer boxxer is weight. And you WILL get creaky crowns out of a boxxer because the crowns stretch.

[grinch]

I've had 3 36 forks over the last 5 years and none of them creaked, even the 180 one which I beat the living shit out of.

But honestly man, your best bet is an old fox 40 RC2. Better damping, a system made to lower it without dealing with rods, and so much better constructed it's not even funny. The only thing you'll get out of a newer boxxer is weight. And you WILL get creaky crowns out of a boxxer because the crowns stretch.

Hmmm compelling. 40 does sound good apart from the "old" part and I don't see many deals on 36's or fox for that matter. I'll keep them both as possibilities if something pops up. Only experience with recent rs' is a pike when I demoed a devinci spartAn. I liked it. Really like my dvo. I can make that feel even more like a coil than a solo air w charger. I should phone those guys and ask about the new triple. ATM I'm stuck on triple

[grinch]

Onyx. Not as light or cheap as I thought though. Shit. Looks sweet. Air bleeders are nice addition too

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