The new -2017- CAST touring system thread

[NW_SKIER]

Honestly… what happened to that damn cascade component toe mount plate. That would have fixed this “issue”.


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Had to be a cease and desist

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There has to be some amount of tolerance in the pedestal/post dimensions so that these can be mounted by actual humans with imperfect tools, top sheets, etc. The more exact the mount, the more you are going to be right in the middle of those tolerances and you'll have some play, mostly in the x-y directions. If the tolerances were tighter it would become very difficult to mount these successfully, or swap toe pieces when there is any amount of snow/ice in the interface.

Top sheet not flat, post(s) not vertical, post(s) not located correctly, you'll have an interference fit without play if you can even get the toe pieces on.

Like others have said, when actually skiing I cannot feel the play. I can feel it while walking with the tech toes.

[mildbill.]

The more exact the mount, the more you are going to be right in the middle of those tolerances and you'll have some play, mostly in the x-y directions.

So it's not that I fucked the mount up, but that it is too good.

[kid-kapow]

Honestly… what happened to that damn cascade component toe mount plate. That would have fixed this “issue”.

Mags being less than impressed with the plate's need to drill an additional set of holes, and Cascade prob thinking "oh well, I offered it". If enough mags reach out they'll prob make em.

All my Cast setups have some play, but I do not notice it while skiing aka when then they are tensioned. I do not tour a lot with them, so them coming loose has not been much of an issue for me - hence no need for the plates on my end.

[Judo Chop!]

..The more exact the mount, the more you are going to be right in the middle of those tolerances and you'll have some play, ...

huh. good point. I have a bunch of cast. a couple of them have some wiggle without boots in. goes away when clicked in.

mildbill.... sounds like you might be driving yourself crazy about something that's not there. sounds like you had a bunch of unlucky fuckery in your mount, but should come out in the wash.

post some vid or something of the wiggle you feel. if you can't get video of it, it's probably in your head.

Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned tightening the screws with the toe-piece on. I did that on all of mine and it was super easy to mount clean. I helped a buddy who was reusing janky holes and had a bad fit; and doing this + some epoxy did the job there too.

[banzai]

Mags being less than impressed with the plate's need to drill an additional set of holes, and Cascade prob thinking "oh well, I offered it". If enough mags reach out they'll prob make em.

All my Cast setups have some play, but I do not notice it while skiing aka when then they are tensioned. I do not tour a lot with them, so them coming loose has not been much of an issue for me - hence no need for the plates on my end.

I reached out and Cascade made me a pair. Will play with them soonish.

[mildbill.]

Just skied them for a couple of days (friday w my kids, saturday sidecountry laps). Seemed ok. definite play in tour mode - felt a little "click" a couple of times coming off the lip of side hits with my kids, even after cranking the forward pressure a bit. skied some plenty firm steeps and they were solid.

will call this resolved (and probably also purchase some plates from cascade...)

Also had my hardest crash of the season leading a pack of 9 year olds into a gully before their ski team dropoff, bloodying my face with my goggles.

I did not pull the toepieces out, although my firstborn child did tell me "it was really satisfying to see you crash," so...great.

[altacoup]

I’ve been skiing the cast system for 2 weeks in bounds. Absolute bomber mount, no play at all. Today was the first time touring in the system and the transition was beyond horrible. I’m in Dobermans that were modified by CAST. System was clear of ice and snow. But it was beyond difficult to get the tech toe to lock into my boots. Totally unable to simply just step into tech toe. I’ve been skiing on pins for along time, so I’m not a stranger to the toe piece. Needed to be perfectly balanced then exert a ridiculous amount of force on the toe locking lever. Does the break in over time? As of today i give the uphill function an F-.

[SkiLyft]

Can you get it to lock in when carpet skiing?


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[waveshello]

I’ve been skiing the cast system for 2 weeks in bounds. Absolute bomber mount, no play at all. Today was the first time touring in the system and the transition was beyond horrible. I’m in Dobermans that were modified by CAST. System was clear of ice and snow. But it was beyond difficult to get the tech toe to lock into my boots. Totally unable to simply just step into tech toe. I’ve been skiing on pins for along time, so I’m not a stranger to the toe piece. Needed to be perfectly balanced then exert a ridiculous amount of force on the toe locking lever. Does the break in over time? As of today i give the uphill function an F-.

That's not right. Is the toe piece slid all the way on to the plate/posts so that it is locked in place? If no, the posts can interfere with the wings on the toe piece. If yes...

Can you get your boot in the tech toe pieces when they not on the ski? If no, it's possible the spacing of the tech inserts isn't correct on your boot?

Do you have access to another boot with tech inserts that you can you can step in to the tech toes with?

[mr_pretzel]

I’ve been skiing the cast system for 2 weeks in bounds. Absolute bomber mount, no play at all. Today was the first time touring in the system and the transition was beyond horrible. I’m in Dobermans that were modified by CAST. System was clear of ice and snow. But it was beyond difficult to get the tech toe to lock into my boots. Totally unable to simply just step into tech toe. I’ve been skiing on pins for along time, so I’m not a stranger to the toe piece. Needed to be perfectly balanced then exert a ridiculous amount of force on the toe locking lever. Does the break in over time? As of today i give the uphill function an F-.

Sounds like the toe wasnt seated far enough back for the wings to easily go down, I have to whack my tech toe with my pole on some of my mounts, it’s annoying.

[CHAIR_97]

I’ve been skiing the cast system for 2 weeks in bounds. Absolute bomber mount, no play at all. Today was the first time touring in the system and the transition was beyond horrible. I’m in Dobermans that were modified by CAST. System was clear of ice and snow. But it was beyond difficult to get the tech toe to lock into my boots. Totally unable to simply just step into tech toe. I’ve been skiing on pins for along time, so I’m not a stranger to the toe piece. Needed to be perfectly balanced then exert a ridiculous amount of force on the toe locking lever. Does the break in over time? As of today i give the uphill function an F-.

Your mount is off.

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[toast2266]

I’ve been skiing the cast system for 2 weeks in bounds. Absolute bomber mount, no play at all. Today was the first time touring in the system and the transition was beyond horrible. I’m in Dobermans that were modified by CAST. System was clear of ice and snow. But it was beyond difficult to get the tech toe to lock into my boots. Totally unable to simply just step into tech toe. I’ve been skiing on pins for along time, so I’m not a stranger to the toe piece. Needed to be perfectly balanced then exert a ridiculous amount of force on the toe locking lever. Does the break in over time? As of today i give the uphill function an F-.

If the mount isn't 100% perfect, that'll happen. It's because the tech toe isn't seated far enough back. It'll usually get better over time. In the meantime, I usually use the pivot toe to tap the the tech toe back a bit. Then I'll flip the lock mechanism up to make sure it's working (if it's not, it's because the toes still aren't far enough back and seated properly on the posts. Tap on them some more).

Separate from all of that, I find that my cast converted boots don't interface quite right with the tech toes. If I just step into the pins, the pins line up too high above the holes in the boots. I ended up gluing some plastic bits onto the middle of the tech toes so the boot actuates the pins a little sooner.

[altacoup]

^^^

I found that the pins were lining up way too high compared to the boot. I’ll do some carpet testing today, with other boots. I was hammering the tech toe on to the plate.

[toast2266]

^^^

I found that the pins were lining up way too high compared to the boot. I’ll do some carpet testing today, with other boots. I was hammering the tech toe on to the plate.

I just epoxied on a little piece of plastic. Worked great.

[CHAIR_97]

^^^

I found that the pins were lining up way too high compared to the boot. I’ll do some carpet testing today, with other boots. I was hammering the tech toe on to the plate.

No hammering please

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[altacoup]

I just epoxied on a little piece of plastic. Worked great.

I’m definitely going to do that.

Did some carpet testing and the mount isn’t the issue. One tech toe works great on both skis . The other tech tech toe won’t clear the posts of the mounting plate, coincidently this toe piece was the one I grabbed first in the field yesterday and caused me issues. Seems like I could bend it back with some needle nose. But I’ll email CAST and see what they say. Boots with grip walk soles click into the functioning tech toe much better as the pins align perfectly with the tech fittings. Too bad I got this set up specifically so I can ski my Dobermans.

[lucknau]

I’m definitely going to do that.

Did some carpet testing and the mount isn’t the issue. One tech toe works great on both skis . The other tech tech toe won’t clear the posts of the mounting plate, coincidently this toe piece was the one I grabbed first in the field yesterday and caused me issues. Seems like I could bend it back with some needle nose. But I’ll email CAST and see what they say. Boots with grip walk soles click into the functioning tech toe much better as the pins align perfectly with the tech fittings. Too bad I got this set up specifically so I can ski my Dobermans.

One of my tech toes was cast too thick, and was only possible to seat properly with and inordinate amount of force, while the other one was perfect and easy. They weren’t very receptive to my issue when I emailed them, and said to just keep using them and eventually the pins would fit. Both downhill toe pieces fit well, and I didn’t want to create any play in the pins that would affect the downhill. I ended up shaving down the contact surface around the pins to match the thickness of the other toe and it works fine now. For what it’s worth, mine are the purple toes, like yours. Here’s some photo evidence of what I’m talking about. I colored the bare aluminum with black sharpie after grinding it down.






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[justo8484]

I’ve been skiing the cast system for 2 weeks in bounds. Absolute bomber mount, no play at all. Today was the first time touring in the system and the transition was beyond horrible. I’m in Dobermans that were modified by CAST. System was clear of ice and snow. But it was beyond difficult to get the tech toe to lock into my boots. Totally unable to simply just step into tech toe. I’ve been skiing on pins for along time, so I’m not a stranger to the toe piece. Needed to be perfectly balanced then exert a ridiculous amount of force on the toe locking lever. Does the break in over time? As of today i give the uphill function an F-.

This sounds kind of similar to my experience, and I think it has to do with the alpine sole vs GW. If I try and just step into the tech toe like you would with a normal touring boot/binding combo, I get what happened to you, where the pins from the toe contact the boot too high up. It really is a pain to have to perfectly line your boots up in the binding and then pull up on the lever to get them locked in place, especially if you're in steep terrain, off camper, fresh snow, etc. I also really miss the little shoulder nubs that kind of align your boot in the toe that the Dynafit tech toe from the v1 cast setup used. Really wish they included that feature on their own tech toe, but I'm guessing there were patent issues at play there.

[altacoup]

After talking with cast they said to just bend out the silver piece that’s catching on the post. This was what I figured I’d have to do, after examining it inside.

Toast, how thick is the piece of plastic you epoxied on your tech toe and what epoxy did you use?

[toast2266]

Toast, how thick is the piece of plastic you epoxied on your tech toe and what epoxy did you use?

It's maybe 3mm or so. It's actually a chunk of an old ski boot cuff that I dremelled out. Once it was glued on, I just dremelled it down until it cleared the toe of the boot when the boot is all the way forward (like knee fall position).

Just used shitty hardware store epoxy. 1 year in and it's still attached.

[CHAIR_97]

It's your mount.

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[toast2266]

It's your mount.

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I mean, yeah, it's always the mount. But the mount being off .1mm makes the tech toes shitty to install. And no rational person is going to remount -1 or +1 just to fix a micro error. So we figure out ways to force it to work.

[altacoup]

It's your mount.

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It’s not the mount at all. 1 tech toe works perfectly. The other has the left hand side silver tab come in contact with the top of the post. CAST told me this can be an issue and to install the tech toe and gently lever the silver piece back so that our clears the post. All toe pieces slide in and lock perfectly. They even sent me a photo of other systems with the same problem. SFB did the mount and it’s dead nuts perfect. Checked with calipers. Bent the silver piece out and now it works great. I’m still going to do the modification that Toast did as I never really plan to use this set up with touring boots. The whole point of buying the system was to get to shred Doberman plug boots beyond the ropes.

[AlpiNord]

Anyone have insights as to why Cast doesn't make P12 or 14 compatible kits?

Seems like there would be a lot of interest from a lighter weight perspective and the fact lots of us own P12s (or 14s) and do not see the need for more DIN for performance or extra cost. I was looking into this to throw on a pair on my favorite BC skis for the option to use them for BC & resort powder days vs G3 IONs.

Is it simply because they can't keep up with demand or is there some philosophical or practical reason?