Chamonix Historical Snowfall

[FluffyLilKitten]

Does anyone know where the historical snowfall for Chamonix is that shows at what elevation it was recorded? The best I can find is below from onthesnow.com but it doesn't specify elevation. I knew snow in Europe was well below that of in the US but surely these numbers can't be correct. I mean you can't even ski on these numbers. Maybe they are for the town and not the mountain?

2014-15: 256"
2013-14: 140"
2012-13: 93"
2011-12: 90"
2010-11: 130"
2009-10: 27"
2008-09: 89"

[cmcrawfo]

Ski Mo cares not for Pow pow.

[FluffyLilKitten]

Ski Mo cares not for Pow pow.

I don't always need powder, but damn, 90" won't even cover the rocks. One year at Snowbird we had a horrible horrible snow year. It was like the worst drought ever and people were putting bullets in their heads left and right. All because we got a measly 400".

[Cosmic Suncloud]

I knew snow in Europe was well below that of in the US

how did you knew this?

[TAFKALVS]

I don't always need powder, but damn, 90" won't even cover the rocks. One year at Snowbird we had a horrible horrible snow year. It was like the worst drought ever and people were putting bullets in their heads left and right. All because we got a measly 400".

Wind transport, the consistency of the snow, temperatures, local expectation etc are all factors. Lots of mountains in the US get sub ~200" a season and have great skiing.

[alpinevibes]

I'm guessing in town. It seems a lot of numbers in the 600-800cm range.

200+cm average snow depth listings that are not far below the "annual snowfall" that OpenSnow listed - https://www.sno.co.uk/ski/france/chamonix/snow-history/ http://www.igluski.com/ski-resorts/f...x/snow-history

730cm (287") last year - https://www.j2ski.com/snow_forecast/...w_history.html

No reference listed, but 429" average
listed here - http://snowbrains.com/ski-chamonix-france/

[Benny Profane]

Does anyone know where the historical snowfall for Chamonix is that shows at what elevation it was recorded? The best I can find is below from onthesnow.com but it doesn't specify elevation. I knew snow in Europe was well below that of in the US but surely these numbers can't be correct. I mean you can't even ski on these numbers. Maybe they are for the town and not the mountain?

2014-15: 256"
2013-14: 140"
2012-13: 93"
2011-12: 90"
2010-11: 130"
2009-10: 27"
2008-09: 89"

Stay away from your fake news sources, shut the fuck up, and ask nicely, asshole.

[FluffyLilKitten]

Stay away from your fake news sources, shut the fuck up, and ask nicely, asshole.

http://www.onthesnow.com/northern-al...-snowfall.html

Yeah, real fucking fake.

.... And to the other guy Chamonix does not average the same amount of snow as Alta, Snowbird, Jackson Hole and Squaw Valley. Whoever told you that is completely making shit up. Chamonix does NOT average 430" a year

[FluffyLilKitten]

The numbers were taken from the Chamonix weather station at 1040m. The Aiguille du Midi tram starts at an altitude of 1035m. So the numbers posted were taken on the ski mountain but at the bottom.

Wow, Chamonix is dry as a bone ski resort. I love hard packed but damn, their snowfall is just atrocious. It may have the best scenery in the world, the biggest vertical in the world, and some of the gnarliest skiing in the world, but when there's usually no snow to ski on why does that all matter???

[cmcrawfo]

The numbers were taken from the Chamonix weather station at 1040m. The Aiguille du Midi tram starts at an altitude of 1035m. So the numbers posted were taken on the ski mountain but at the bottom.

Wow, Chamonix is dry as a bone ski resort. I love hard packed but damn, their snowfall is just atrocious. It may have the best scenery in the world, the biggest vertical in the world, and some of the gnarliest skiing in the world, but when there's usually no snow to ski on why does that all matter???

Sweet. you answered your own question and managed to flame two maggots in the process.

not to mention, you scored major bro points by letting everyone here know that you are ultra core because Chamonix is on your radar.

[FluffyLilKitten]

not to mention, you scored major bro points by letting everyone here know that you are ultra core because Chamonix is on your radar.

It WAS on my radar. I saw peds trip report on Frigor Couloir and said to myself "holy shit! I gotta go there!". Then I research it and find that the place gets almost no snow and that those lines are only in conditioned to ski a couple times a year most years and many years never. So no, it is no longer on my radar unless I just want to go look at some amazing scenery.

[TAFKALVS]

Real skiers enjoy hardpack 'n bumps.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Alpental is superior and we can talk about it in real life @17BBI.

To Chamonix? I think there may even be some Alpental habituals who would take issue with that statement.

[FluffyLilKitten]

Real skiers enjoy hardpack 'n bumps.

I grew up skiing on the East Coast. For my first 20 years all I knew and love was ice, hardpack, and moguls, but this is the first I have ever heard of Chamonix being known for their moguls. And besides, how good can the moguls get with 27" of snow for the whole year????

[huckbucket]

Hey asshole ... if you can afford to travel to ski, how about you pay your fair share for health insurance?

[Rob Stokes]

The numbers were taken from the Chamonix weather station at 1040m. The Aiguille du Midi tram starts at an altitude of 1035m. So the numbers posted were taken on the ski mountain but at the bottom.

Wow, Chamonix is dry as a bone ski resort. I love hard packed but damn, their snowfall is just atrocious. It may have the best scenery in the world, the biggest vertical in the world, and some of the gnarliest skiing in the world, but when there's usually no snow to ski on why does that all matter???

That's town elevation-the good skiing is between 1000 and 3800m higher than that elevation.

[Rob Stokes]

I suppose it's all about if you prefer skiing terrain or pow. Personally I would take skiing 10cm fresh on a 2500m ski run traversing alpine ridges, couloirs, glaciers and then some adventurous forest than 50cm of pow in some mellow US resort with 300m vert of good skiing.

[FluffyLilKitten]

Hey asshole ... if you can afford to travel to ski, how about you pay your fair share for health insurance?

Why pay for it when federal law says it must be provided to me for free???

[BFD]

I started this thread http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...=trip+planning
idea was to get info on how each place was comparing to normal. thread didn't go far but I learned its all about quantity go to Whistler.
apparently the Chamonix lines are in this year Peds and his friends are sking them.

[FluffyLilKitten]

I suppose it's all about if you prefer skiing terrain or pow. Personally I would take skiing 10cm fresh on a 2500m ski run traversing alpine ridges, couloirs, glaciers and then some adventurous forest than 50cm of pow in some mellow ass US resort with 300m vert of good skiing.

You can take your 27" on a 2500m run. I will be happy with my 500" on 3,000 to 4,000 feet..... And the resorts in Canada are a lot mellower than the US ones. I'll take Jackson Hole, Snowbird, Alyeska or Squaw over your rainy low-elevation trails-cut-through-trees Whistler.

[Rob Stokes]

You can take your 27" on a 2500m run. I will be happy with my 500" on 3,000 to 4,000 feet..... And the resorts in Canada are a lot mellower than the US ones. I'll take Jackson Hole, Snowbird, Alyeska or Squaw over your rainy low-elevation trails-cut-through-trees Whistler.

Wow you are one angry guy eh.

Once again I will point out that the 27" is at 1000m which is at TOWN, not where you would ski. Much more snow up high.

Your Whistler description is pretty spot on, but hardly relevant to Chamonix snow fall.

[huckbucket]

Why pay for it when federal law says it must be provided to me for free???

Think these nice people in this thread enjoy paying for your vacation with their hard earned dollars? Go ahead, tell em all about the fact that you sponge off the system on their dime.

[FluffyLilKitten]

Think these nice people in this thread enjoy paying for your vacation with their hard earned dollars? Go ahead, tell em all about the fact that you sponge off the system on their dime.

Me? Oh god I'm nothing. I know a girl who collects unemployment in CA, unemployment in NV, gets something like $1500 a month in disability for having "backpain", pays $1 a month for $1500 a month health insurance by way of Obamacare subsidize, and then makes a couple grand a night as a "dancer". She drives a $100k Mercedes. I know another woman in FL just like that.

You are the dumb fuck Democrats who create that system. You are the immoral one not me. I vote against that shit. You vote for it.

[abraham]

Wow you are one angry guy eh.

Once again I will point out that the 27" is at 1000m which is at TOWN, not where you would ski. Much more snow up high.

Your Whistler description is pretty spot on, but hardly relevant to Chamonix snow fall.

Yeah, a quick google would fix that problem. He's aiming 2k low.



I just drove through last spring but I'd love to ski there some time. Gotta acquire skills if I want to hang with peds though

[FluffyLilKitten]

Yeah, a quick google would fix that problem. He's aiming 2k low.

Hey that's where the Chamonix "snow observation station" is at. If you know of snow measurements higher up then let me know. It is still 10m higher than the bottom of their main tram. And the vast majority of resort's the world over report their base lodge snowfall not their summit (or even mid-mountain). In the case of Chamonix with the world's longest vertical I do see the problem of base snowfall vs top, but somehow I don't think 27" of annual snowfall at where you get on their tram is really 400" at the top of it. I mean this is not Whistler where the bottom means rain and the top means snow, this is the middle of the Alps, it's about is their any freakin precipitation and if there is then the top might have a bit more than the bottom.