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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    I hope the heel pattern is similar to vipec.
    Pretty sure it was mentioned that it is indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    Maybe the graphics guy doesn't know how the heel cup moves, but this illustration makes it look like the cup slides upward, vs pivoting at the silver rivet. And even if it does pivot at the rivet, why such a low pivot? All modern alpine heels pivot on the same plane as the top of the boot heel lug for maximum elasticity. Putting the pivot so low really cuts down the travel prior to release, see where the pivot is located on the Kingpin.

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    Fritschi luv....

    I'm in on this thread for the updates too. I've got a couple pairs of the Gen2 that have been flawless for the last few years, both inbounds and in the BC. I'd luv to put a set of the Tectrons on my dedicated Slackcountry set up and my wife's go to skis. Not yet had a chance to try out the Vipec Black or EVO toes yet, but they both easier to deal with than my Gen2s and that in and of its self is a huge improvement in useablity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    I hope the heel pattern is similar to vipec.

    It's the exact same base

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    More pics and stuff: https://14erskiers.com/blog/2017/02/...n-at-bindings/

    Hoping to get on them sometime this spring. Not many pairs floating around NA right now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    More pics and stuff: https://14erskiers.com/blog/2017/02/...n-at-bindings/

    Hoping to get on them sometime this spring. Not many pairs floating around NA right now...
    Thanks! Great write-up by Brittany. I love that they utilized an otherwise vestigial part (the heel plate) to engage those locating rails.

    Are we certain that the Tecton mounting holes are identical (pattern and location) to this year's Vipec? I know it was mentioned several times in this thread, but has anyone actually had their hands on the bindings and verified it?

    I'm getting ready to re-purpose some skis to Vipecs for this year, but only if I can put Tectons on them next year without re-drilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    Thanks! Great write-up by Brittany. I love that they utilized an otherwise vestigial part (the heel plate) to engage those locating rails.

    Are we certain that the Tecton mounting holes are identical (pattern and location) to this year's Vipec? I know it was mentioned several times in this thread, but has anyone actually had their hands on the bindings and verified it?

    I'm getting ready to re-purpose some skis to Vipecs for this year, but only if I can put Tectons on them next year without re-drilling.

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    On behalf of Brittany, thanks. I shot our guy an email, and once again the answer is that Fritschi bindings have the same mounting pattern- vipecs, evos, and tectons. They're trying not to be stupid. Unlike Dynafit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    Maybe the graphics guy doesn't know how the heel cup moves, but this illustration makes it look like the cup slides upward, vs pivoting at the silver rivet. And even if it does pivot at the rivet, why such a low pivot? All modern alpine heels pivot on the same plane as the top of the boot heel lug for maximum elasticity. Putting the pivot so low really cuts down the travel prior to release, see where the pivot is located on the Kingpin.
    Watch this video, it looks like there are two pivot points, like a VPP suspension-ish:

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    Cool clip. But I'm not seeing a second pivot...?
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    The visible heel cup axle appears to be located within another element that moves roughly vertically about 7mm. The VPP analogy is a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightRanger View Post
    Cool clip. But I'm not seeing a second pivot...?
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    You can see it in this pic, it's the the left of the F in Fritschi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    On behalf of Brittany, thanks. I shot our guy an email, and once again the answer is that Fritschi bindings have the same mounting pattern- vipecs, evos, and tectons. They're trying not to be stupid. Unlike Dynafit.
    Thanks! It was an ask twice (measure twice) drill once sort of thing, as I'm sure you understand ;-) That gives me enough confidence to make some new holes in my GPOs.

    Yeah, I don't know what Dynafit is thinking. Obviously, some design changes mandate a mounting pattern change, but I get the impression that many of Dynafit's drilling pattern changes result from not caring. The sad thing (for them) is that this isn't in their best interest, and certainly not in the consumer's interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyg82 View Post
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    You can see it in this pic, it's the the left of the F in Fritschi.

    OOOOH. I thought you were talking about the toe. Like an old Naxo toe. Was like, "Wait, doesn't that defeat the purpose of pins?"

    Yeah, I actually did notice that. The heel retention spring is in a separate housing from the lever. Interesting design for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest_Hemingway View Post
    I realize there is not much hope for a bullfighting forum. I understand that most of you would prefer to discuss the ingredients of jacket fabrics than the ingredients of a brave man. I know nothing of the former. But the latter is made of courage, and skill, and grace in the presence of the possibility of death. If someone could make a jacket of those three things it would no doubt be the most popular and prized item in all of your closets.

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    Ignore the music. Ouch. More about the heel from this marketing video

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTc...APiiC3bT8Lv8aw

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    Interesting that they've chosen to put quasi tech fittings made out of plastic in the heel piece. I wonder what it does to release characteristics and also it's actual effect? Feels like marketing to me but maybe it really does something?

    What says the collective? (apologies if it has been discussed in previous pages)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickel View Post
    Interesting that they've chosen to put quasi tech fittings made out of plastic in the heel piece. I wonder what it does to release characteristics and also it's actual effect? Feels like marketing to me but maybe it really does something?
    The only thing I can see from that is that it's a heel that doesn't rotate so as you where thinking it might not matter at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickel View Post
    Interesting that they've chosen to put quasi tech fittings made out of plastic in the heel piece. I wonder what it does to release characteristics and also it's actual effect? Feels like marketing to me but maybe it really does something?

    What says the collective? (apologies if it has been discussed in previous pages)
    From what I can see, they saved a bit of weight by narrowing the width of the heel cup and restored any lost lateral control with those fittings. Makes sense to me - to make use of a heel fitting that's on all tech boots.

    As far as toe release, I can't see this having any effect, any more than the Vipecs' heel pins have on their toe release. Toe release pivots about the heel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    Ignore the music. Ouch. More about the heel from this marketing video

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTc...APiiC3bT8Lv8aw
    I'll just leave this here...

    https://youtu.be/0RlokpbOSOo

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    Got to play with a Tecton sample and chat with the sales rep yesterday. Was surprised how insubstantial (size, weight and substance) the heel piece seemed, especially in direct comparison to the Kingpin. My gut feel is that I'd break something within weeks. The rep mentioned that he isn't pushing sales or allowing his demos to be skied until issues are resolved regarding setting the heel piece to boot gap (the specified gap seems to allow too much play) and transitioning the heel piece to walk mode (which seems to require removing the boot, contrary to the manufacturer's claims). Difficult to make the case why anyone would chose the Tecton over the new Evo.

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    So not ready for primetime then??
    If they were not available for ski testing at recent shows i cant imagine how they'll be at retail in the fall.

    My naive assumption is that lateral toe and vertical heel release is marginally better than lateral heel of kingpin but i could be way wrong here.
    But I'm also imagining many more issues than benefits from the lateral toe release while in walk mode that they depict in the video - (think just about any steep icy sidehill where you might use ski crampons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcpnz View Post
    So not ready for primetime then??
    If they were not available for ski testing at recent shows i cant imagine how they'll be at retail in the fall.......
    This.

    When Fritschi did their rush launch of the Vipec it was a disaster & the 2nd gen wasn't any better. Now starting to see busted Blacks this side of the pond which were supposed to have been fully sorted.

    It took Dynafit & Marker a few tweaks to get the Beasts/Rad 2's/Kingpins right & they'd had many proper working/skiing pre-production prototypes in use at least a full season earlier.

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    as^^ opposed to the Rad 1 which Dynafit tested on the consumer ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    as^^ opposed to the Rad 1 which Dynafit tested on the consumer ?
    Indeed, singling out Fritschi is a bit harsh, given Marker's and Dynafit's track records. Ultimately, we're all beta testers - the first year of any touring binding release.

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    Yeah, I'd say the Radical debacle was significantly worse (both in what the issues were and how widespread they were) than anything that's happened with Fritschi or Marker. The initial Vipec toe pin screws were bad, but fix wasn't a problem once the problem was known.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest_Hemingway View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcpnz View Post
    But I'm also imagining many more issues than benefits from the lateral toe release while in walk mode that they depict in the video - (think just about any steep icy sidehill where you might use ski crampons).
    No issues at all. It has a pretty stiff lockout mode when touring. Not a single review has raised this as an issue over the last 3 years. Sweet FUD though.

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