Rossignol Black Ops?

[XavierD]

They made a 188 RC 112 and still discontinued it within a year or two.

[noslow]

Too bad they are so intent on “showing off” the Air Tip through the top sheet as extending the rubber damping into the tip you would get a much quieter feel in those skis. Still would have lower swing weight with the lighter, perforated tip spacer.
Less “tech” on these skis with a normal tip spacer and full extended rubber sheet would result in a more “Blackops feel” I bet.

Found it odd that the Sender Free 110 is $50 more retail than the BO 118 too.

[Bandit Man]

Finally got out on my 187 BO Sender Ti’s today. Pretty interesting soft-snow biased ski. Not as damp or heavy as the BO118, but now understand the broad appeal. Only real complaint was that nearly flat tail. That ski needs a tail like the Sender Squad. It’s a little too locked in for dense PNW conditions. Makes me excited to try the Sender 110.

[SWskier]

Finally got out on my 187 BO Sender Ti’s today. Pretty interesting soft-snow biased ski. Not as damp or heavy as the BO118, but now understand the broad appeal. Only real complaint was that nearly flat tail. That ski needs a tail like the Sender Squad. It’s a little too locked in for dense PNW conditions. Makes me excited to try the Sender 110.

Where did you mount these? Any thought on moving back beyond recommended? I have a pair of the newer 194 106 TI plus. The mount point has me puzzled. The ski has a strong flat tail and the rear line is at -10. I’m inclined to go -11 or even -11.5. Just looks right to me for my preferences. Main concern would be getting too far back in the sidecut?

I was sent these as warranty replacement for sender squads which I just didn’t jive with that tail. 191 M102 and I get along real well on the rear line.

[XtrPickels]

Has anyone had good luck with mounting far behind the line?
I picked a pair of BO118s for cheap locally. Ideally, I like skis in the -7 to -9 range which would put me 5 to 7cm behind the line.

Ended up mounting at -4 behind the line.
skied 3 runs on hardpack and didn't die.

Will update if and when I get these in some worthwhile snow.

[Bushwacka]

Hand fucked a pair today. They is nice!

Stiff underfoot and more flexible toward tip and tail. Blister just reviewed the ski, but only had preliminary info.

IMO - Would be great Pow ski for someone who doesn't weigh 195 pounds like I do. Why not make a 192 or the like? 186 is a bit limiting...

I'm 200lb

the 186 118 will flaot well just mount -3 no on the progressive line. I skied it at Stowe though so no really high speed stuff.

[noslow]

Spent a few more days on my 186 BO 118 mounted -2.5/-5cm total back and still really liking them. Amazing carvers, great over tracked out snow and fun in Revelstoke trees. Not as quick or agile as my 184cm 21 CT 3.0 which is VERY similar specs to the Sender Free 110 so that’s expected.

Brought them on a trip with my 183cm 21 CT 2.0 so it’s a seamless swap when there’s no new snow. Same mount point, similar builds and turn radius so feels like more of a “narrow” BO 118 than the BO 98 as it’s 300gr heavier than that ski(2300gr in the 183cn).

Saw a Sender Free 110 in the Revelstoke lift line the other day and was going to ask how he liked them till I noticed he was a team rider with other pros along with a cameraman so I didn’t bother. Lol

[RadSkier_]

Spent a few more days on my 186 BO 118 mounted -2.5/-5cm total back and still really liking them. Amazing carvers, great over tracked out snow and fun in Revelstoke trees. Not as quick or agile as my 184cm 21 CT 3.0 which is VERY similar specs to the Sender Free 110 so that’s expected.

Brought them on a trip with my 183cm 21 CT 2.0 so it’s a seamless swap when there’s no new snow. Same mount point, similar builds and turn radius so feels like more of a “narrow” BO 118 than the BO 98 as it’s 300gr heavier than that ski(2300gr in the 183cn).

Saw a Sender Free 110 in the Revelstoke lift line the other day and was going to ask how he liked them till I noticed he was a team rider with other pros along with a cameraman so I didn’t bother. Lol

How does the ski compare to the moment wildcat? The Bo118 that is? I'm taking a hard look at one on sale and thinking of unloading my WC118 that I love but I'm kindof itching to try something new.

[rfconroy]

How does the ski compare to the moment wildcat? The Bo118 that is? I'm taking a hard look at one on sale and thinking of unloading my WC118 that I love but I'm kindof itching to try something new.

Ive been preparing a formal review on the BO118 in the link below, so i've been A-B ing them quite a bit.

The Bibby/Wildcat is surfier, and easier to slash, and a little more stable/easier to land when the conditions are more consistent, also better in chalky/breakable crust. While the BO118 is more stable in mixed/chop, has a bit more float, and generally a softer/more playful ski.

Honestly - if the bibby/wildcat had the layup of the BO118, that would be my perfect ski.

[ntblanks]

Ive been preparing a formal review on the BO118 in the link below, so i've been A-B ing them quite a bit.

The Bibby/Wildcat is surfier, and easier to slash, and a little more stable/easier to land when the conditions are more consistent, also better in chalky/breakable crust. While the BO118 is more stable in mixed/chop, has a bit more float, and generally a softer/more playful ski.

Honestly - if the bibby/wildcat had the layup of the BO118, that would be my perfect ski.

what length WC are you using for comparison?

[Get.Kronk]

what length WC are you using for comparison?

I would agree with everything said there, had years on a 190 bibby and now have a 186 BO118.

That said, my bibby was mounted a bit forward and my BO is -2.

BlackOps is better in untracked and even going fast in soft chop, bibby is quicker in tight. BlackOps can be slashed, bibby wants to be slashed. BlackOps feels like a good versatile pow ski, bibby always felt like a giant park ski to me in a great way

Both carve above their pay grade

[rfconroy]

what length WC are you using for comparison?

184 bibby to the 186 BO118

Bibby is on the line with Pivots, BO118 has been -2 form rec with Pivots and -1 from rec with Jesters - 307BSL

[noslow]

Had the 184cm Bibby mounted -1cm due to a previous mount, currently have the 21 190cm Wildcat mounted on the line (-6cm) and the BO 118 mounted -5cm total.

Again agree with what’s been said about the Bibby Vs BO 118. Definitely feel the longer radius on the Bibby/Wildcat so more stable at speed but needs more speed to “come alive” on groomers. Edge grip is excellent on the BO 118 even on firmer snow.
The measured turn radius on the BO 118 is 21m Vs 27m on the 190cm Wildcat/Bibby and it feels like it. The 190cm Wildcat stiffer/less forgiving but lighter and less damp. More surfy on the Moments, more like a wide carver on the BO 118.

Wouldn’t say they are replacements for each other but could definitely see someone owning both as I do depending on what your mood or conditions are.

[rfconroy]

I would say that the BO118 is more versatile with high water content snow, like you'd find maritime/coastal zones . While the 184 Bibby/Wildcat is better when the snow is dryer or smoother, like you'd find in transitional/continental snowpacks simply due to the weight difference between the two skis.

[noslow]

For anyone on the fence, Corbetts has the Blackops 118(both sizes) on for 40% Canadian retail, so $569.99 CAN/$420 US right now.
Was pondering a backup pair at these prices and had my Corbetts contact weigh the 2 pairs of 186cm they had in the warehouse and both were around 5100gr a pair.
Ended up getting a price match with lower sales tax on the last pair at a Banff shop just now. This pair is a bit lighter at 4950gr for the pair which I wanted anyway.

[Bushwacka]

For anyone on the fence, Corbetts has the Blackops 118(both sizes) on for 40% Canadian retail, so $569.99 CAN/$420 US right now.
Was pondering a backup pair at these prices and had my Corbetts contact weigh the 2 pairs of 186cm they had in the warehouse and both were around 5100gr a pair.
Ended up getting a price match with lower sales tax on the last pair at a Banff shop just now. This pair is a bit lighter at 4950gr for the pair which I wanted anyway.

are you sure the price is CAD and its not being converted to USD automatically?

[Bandit Man]

This crazy thing is posted on their splash page. It has this red and white flag with a maple leaf followed by the cryptic letters “CAD$”. See below:

[Velomayniac]

I want a pair of 186s to be the center mounted match to my 186 Bodacious. Similar weights!

[noslow]

I’m in Canada so Corbetts site is always listed in Canadian dollars. I just added the US $ for comparison.
Their eBay division, Asogear lists prices in US $ off eBay.
Like many skis, the US Vs Canadian retail prices are very close, so with the exchange, it’s an insane deal. Blackops 98 on similar deals too.

[SacTo]

are you sure the price is CAD and it’s not being converted to USD automatically?

I m loaded them into my cart and it is indeed in CA dollars, so yes $420 US dollars.

[rfconroy]

I m loaded them into my cart and it is indeed in CA dollars, so yes $420 US dollars.

[Crystal Skier]

I’m in Canada so Corbetts site is always listed in Canadian dollars. I just added the US $ for comparison.
Their eBay division, Asogear lists prices in US $ off eBay.
Like many skis, the US Vs Canadian retail prices are very close, so with the exchange, it’s an insane deal. Blackops 98 on similar deals too.

OMG the secret is out! [emoji38] never buy from ASO off eBay buy online direct from Corbetts.


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[Bandit Man]

I think people forget, part of the allure of buying from Corbetts is the favorable exchange rate for US buyers. If that changes, it becomes less of a “steal of a deal”.

Still crazy cheap BO 118’s if you acted quickly enough.

[rfconroy]

I dont know what yall are talking about, price for the 118 comes in at $520 USD when I add it to my cart.

[Bandit Man]

I dont know what yall are talking about, price for the 118 comes in at $520 USD when I add it to my cart.

Yeah…price went up. They were cheaper a few days ago.