"All weather" tires in place of winter tires

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Sexy studded up Hakka 10's delivered today for the milf mobile. Run flats so these fuckers weren't cheep.

[Name Redacted]

Sexy studded up Hakka 10's delivered today for the milf mobile. Run flats so these fuckers weren't cheep.

Just got some for my 2wd work van. Looking forward to them. Might put a set on my Sequoia too.

[CHAIR_97]

Hakka Lt3s my left lane weapon of choice on a pow day

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[XXX-er]

I been on Haks for > 20yars and they were never cheap but they are simply ze best

[Robik]

Anyone here used Wildpeak AT Trail in winter conditions? Stock summer tire on our Tiguan got sliced on the way from Moab, other 3 were due for replacement anyway so I snagged a set of new Taos rims with brand new Falken Wildpeak AT. I still have a set of Blizzaks as a dedicated snow tires but might keep AT Trail year round if they are as good as reviews say.

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[Shorty_J]

^^^ you will likely find that they do well their first winter but less so the next winter IF the sharp shoulders wear down.

I have no experience with that particular tire but what I describe above is a common observation on all weather tires after their first winter season.

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[singlesline]

Anyone here used Wildpeak AT Trail in winter conditions? Stock summer tire on our Tiguan got sliced on the way from Moab, other 3 were due for replacement anyway so I snagged a set of new Taos rims with brand new Falken Wildpeak AT. I still have a set of Blizzaks as a dedicated snow tires but might keep AT Trail year round if they are as good as reviews say.

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How's the highway feel/road noise?

Thinking about either those or the Nokian Outpost APT for the wife's orange Tiguan which will likely be due for new rubber soon (similarly also have dedicated winter wheels).

Want something a little more puncture resistant than a standard all season, but don't want to give up too much road handling/economy/noise.

[Robik]

How's the highway feel/road noise?

Thinking about either those or the Nokian Outpost APT for the wife's orange Tiguan which will likely be due for new rubber soon (similarly also have dedicated winter wheels).

Want something a little more puncture resistant than a standard all season, but don't want to give up too much road handling/economy/noise.

Honestly, I didn't notice any difference in handling or road noise. But I went from 215/60/17 to 225/55/19 so not apples to apples. Blizzaks are definitely louder and handling feels a little dull. It's my wife's car and I'm driving a truck so Tiguan will always feel more comfortable and quieter. I'll have to check the mileage after some miles but I'd expect 1-2 mpg increase

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[auvgeek]

Yokohama Geolandar G015 is also an excellent road-oriented, 3PMSF-rated AT tire.

It’s less off-road oriented than the Wildpeak AT3W, Toyo AT3, K02, etc. To meet the SUV market, those companies seem to have made toned-down versions of their big boy AT tires with aggressive looks and better on-road handling. But I still think the G015 fits that intended purpose very well, albeit without the aggressive sidewall and associated looks.

[east or bust]

G015’s will be the next summer/all season tires for my 4runner. I’ve got almost 70k out of the summer slicks that came with. If I can get close to 60k with G015’s I’ll be a happy camper. Shoulder season road trips always sketch me out with the slicks.

Hak 10s for winter, going on their 3rd season.


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[Cono Este]

Need a recco

22 wrx with Dunlop sports. Love them, car is on rails, don’t want to throw them away for all seasons, want to rotate for another summer or two. But they need to come off. Wish they came with dws06, but I get why they put summer performance tires in these cars.

I’m in st louis, don’t need dedicated winter tires, but they can’t hurt. I make about 4 trips out west to ski, and this yr hitting bc for 2 weeks and co for two separate weeks. Lots of hwy miles. Even across warmer parts.

Dws 06 and rotate the sports for another yr. ?

Pirelli winter zoto and rotate for 2 seasons with dunlops. ?

Or vredstein quad track for life after I burn out my sports?

[Toddball]

Or vredstein quad track for life after I burn out my sports?

This was my approach for PNW skiing, i.e. mostly non-snow highway driving, for the past few years. Highly recommended for that use case.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Need a recco

22 wrx with Dunlop sports. Love them, car is on rails, don’t want to throw them away for all seasons, want to rotate for another summer or two. But they need to come off. Wish they came with dws06, but I get why they put summer performance tires in these cars.

I’m in st louis, don’t need dedicated winter tires, but they can’t hurt. I make about 4 trips out west to ski, and this yr hitting bc for 2 weeks and co for two separate weeks. Lots of hwy miles. Even across warmer parts.

Dws 06 and rotate the sports for another yr. ?

Pirelli winter zoto and rotate for 2 seasons with dunlops. ?

Or vredstein quad track for life after I burn out my sports?

I had DWS for winters on my car when I lived in MD (previous generation, not 06). They were good in snow for a high performance all season, though it’s dry performance was a bit of a trade off there, but I liked them.

I can’t imagine putting on true winter tires for that use. I’d get the DWS and carry chains in case you really find yourself in a bad situation in the mountains.

[SchralphMacchio]

Can a 22 WRX clear cables? If not … I was surprised to find that Caltrans approved autosocks as traction devices a few years back. Michelin also makes a tire net product called the Easy Grip for euro markets, I’ve wondered if people have tried using them stateside yet.

[Cono Este]

Thanks everyone.

I’m mentally down grading the performance all seasons and even winter tires give a performance tire. Also, you wear off the top layer fast. Maybe 2 seasons.

I think it’s worth a second set, as someone said, to rotate is half a lift ticket price now. Or you pay that premium renting a proper SUV when flying.

I think the vredstein, being a touring tire, with snow flake, will give me the best hwy life. Seems to be the best snow rated AS and only one with a snow flake. And pieceof mind, I’m trying respect Canadien ice. The pirellis look sick, but I’m not going to be ripping corners in the winter.

[TripleT]

sorry in advance. Read through 20 min of this thread and didn’t get a consensus.

My partners 2011 rav4 needs new tires yesterday. She ran Nokian wr g3 for 60k miles and liked them. Should we just go ahead get the new g4 and be done with it, or something else to consider?

[Toadman]

Vred. Quatrac Pro will handle better in the cold and snow than the Conti DWS06+. The Conti DWS06+ will handle better in the the dry and wet.

[XXX-er]

I think it’s worth a second set, as someone said, to rotate is half a lift ticket price now. Or you pay that premium renting a proper SUV when flying.
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Kal tire used to swap nokians on rims for free, now its 68 $ twice a year, I was doing it with a bottle jack which sucked so I got a real 3 ton shop jack which is paid for in < 2 yrs also way better/ safer

[Shorty_J]

Kal tire used to swap nokians on rims for free, now its 68 $ twice a year, I was doing it with a bottle jack which sucked so I got a real 3 ton shop jack which is paid for in < 2 yrs also way better/ safer

The best part about having winters on rims is not the cost savings, it's the fact that you can change them with no appointment when it's the right time.

In Calgary your are looking at 3 to 4 weeks delay from when you make an appointment.

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[J. Barron DeJong]

The best part about having winters on rims is not the cost savings, it's the fact that you can change them with no appointment when it's the right time.

In Calgary your are looking at 3 to 4 weeks delay from when you make an appointment.

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It’s also more convenient when you need new tires. I dropped the wheels with worn out tires off at the shop the other day, and will go pick them up when they’re ready, and at a time that works for me.

And when I had a puncture earlier this year, I put one of the winter wheels on, and brought the damaged tire to the shop without a rush.

Also, you can (usually) downsize the rim diameter, giving the option to go with a narrower tread and/or taller sidewall tire for winter.

[Shorty_J]

It’s also more convenient when you need new tires. I dropped the wheels with worn out tires off at the shop the other day, and will go pick them up when they’re ready, and at a time that works for me.

And when I had a puncture earlier this year, I put one of the winter wheels on, and brought the damaged tire to the shop without a rush.

Also, you can (usually) downsize the rim diameter, giving the option to go with a narrower tread and/or taller sidewall tire for winter.

Also true... good point.

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[plugboots]

It’s also more convenient when you need new tires. I dropped the wheels with worn out tires off at the shop the other day, and will go pick them up when they’re ready, and at a time that works for me.

And when I had a puncture earlier this year, I put one of the winter wheels on, and brought the damaged tire to the shop without a rush.

Also, you can (usually) downsize the rim diameter, giving the option to go with a narrower tread and/or taller sidewall tire for winter.

I do/have done all this on the Plug family’s 3 cars. (Big fan of Conti DWS 06)

[XXX-er]

The best part about having winters on rims is not the cost savings, it's the fact that you can change them with no appointment when it's the right time.

In Calgary your are looking at 3 to 4 weeks delay from when you make an appointment.

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well have the apt. system but i have never used it, usually they have a couple of random fill-in's so if you leave your car & keys at 7am the tires have always been swapped before 3

I did it for the cost saving but also finally having a real floor jack is a good thing

also IME sometimes pulling tires off the rims multiple times the macine would damage the bead the worst seemed to be Michelens mind you this was when I was in H-school so I dunno if michy tire beads are still susceptible

I still get Kal to retorque the nuts after driving around a bit, they could say no cuz I didn't pay for a swap but they never do and besides the assitant mgrs mom lives in my basement so buddy is always around, small town life eh


edit: and I have figured out the aluminium wheel frozen-to-hub thing, even with anti-sieze they will still get stuck so just hit the rim with a ballpeen at the bottom inside, it needs the shock of metal on metal

[slcdawg]

I just picked up a new Rav4 that came with DUNLOP GRANDTREK PT20's in snow. This is my first Toyota and not sure how well it will handle in the snow. In the past, I put snow tires on our Subi but my tire guy (independent shop) thought they would be ok. Anyone have experience with this tire? They get really bad reviews on TireRack but decent reviews on Discount Tire. Like most people here, we're driving in the mountains every weekend.

[Shorty_J]

well have the apt. system but i have never used it, usually they have a couple of random fill-in's so if you leave your car & keys at 7am the tires have always been swapped before 3

I did it for the cost saving but also finally having a real floor jack is a good thing

also IME sometimes pulling tires off the rims multiple times the macine would damage the bead the worst seemed to be Michelens mind you this was when I was in H-school so I dunno if michy tire beads are still susceptible

I still get Kal to retorque the nuts after driving around a bit, they could say no cuz I didn't pay for a swap but they never do and besides the assitant mgrs mom lives in my basement so buddy is always around, small town life eh


edit: and I have figured out the aluminium wheel frozen-to-hub thing, even with anti-sieze they will still get stuck so just hit the rim with a ballpeen at the bottom inside, it needs the shock of metal on metal

I have a torque wrench so I just do it myself.

My mom's tires have aluminum hib centric rings and seem to accept the right amount of torque more than a wheel that is already hub-centric and doesn't need spacers.

Yet another reason I like to be able to do that myself that is more than the cost savings.

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