Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[rideit]

I mean, is it any different for *most* us to skiing Tele?
(There are certainly shredders on both)

[toast2266]

I mean, is it any different for *most* us to skiing Tele?
(There are certainly shredders on both)

I've seen plenty of guys shred on tele's. I've never seen anyone shred on a gravel bike.

And before someone posts that video of the guy doing dirt merchant on the gravel bike, no, he's not shredding. He's surviving better than most people would given the circumstances, but he's not shredding.

[rideit]

Fair assessment.

[scrublover]

It's a fun alternative to mtb on relatively boring "flow" trails. Swell>Bitter Route>Evo1/2>Rev and back. Really helps with hand/eye coordination and I have never impeded anyones ride, head on a swivel watching for followers. Always ask nicely if I can pass slow climbers.
I like a nice rate of climb per mile, keeps me honest


ps I'm an old fuck

This. I have a good time on mine. Ride road to some of the mellower trails close to the house, ride some dirt, ride the pavement home again.
Not my preferred way to ride off-road, but still fun.

[Bunion 2020]

Decades ago a college friend of mine switched to a gravel bike to slow him down to be 'safe' as his kids grew up. He rode Amasa Back, Porcupine, and anything else we rode, just slower. When his son got old enough, maybe 10 or 12, they rode Amasa on a custom tandem together he built. And also rode all their local trails together and who knows what else. Make mountain biking hard again!

Not for me though, ha. But I'm not gonna making fun of underbikers.

Point of order, there were no "Gravel Bikes" decades ago.

[rideit]

In 2001 or thereabouts, I road my cyclocross bike on one of our kind of technical trails.
It was ‘fun’ I guess, but I never, ever did that again.

[beaterdit]

Posted this in the Gravel thread but since this has become that, underbiking done properly.

We just brought our 'aggressive hardtails' to Croatia for riding of all sorts including mostly gnar hiking trails and mixed touring. We were never underbiked and they tour fine.

[jdadour]

Why do most mountain bike shorts not have normal pockets? Is it because they look cooler? Better performance? I could care fucking less, give me some god damn pockets.

[rideit]

Have you looked at Club Ride?

[homemadesalsa]

Why do most mountain bike shorts not have normal pockets? Is it because they look cooler? Better performance? I could care fucking less, give me some god damn pockets.

And my favorites, the Zoics, have good pockets and the classic double velcro waist adjustments.

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[Jtlange]

I really want to buy a DSD Runt, but I cant find one. Please make more

End of rant.

[jdadour]

I really want to buy a DSD Runt, but I cant find one. Please make more

End of rant.

He said he's going to be making more soon. Scour pinkbike as well. I bought one from a guy selling it with his fork, and he sold me just the Runt.

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[mcski]

And my favorites, the Zoics, have good pockets and the classic double velcro waist adjustments.

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Value wise -esp w the REI sale discount - they are hard to beat. Pretty satisfied with them. Not perfect but good enough

[mmmm...pow!]

I really want to buy a DSD Runt, but I cant find one. Please make more

End of rant.

What fork do you have? I got one for a 36 just sitting around.

[Roxtar]

Oh for fucks sake. Entitled mountain bikers are the fucking worst. If you don’t want to yield (which usually just involves slowing, demonstrating control, allowing the other user to scoot out of the way) when on a multi-use trail- then ride directional mtb only trails or bike parks.
It’s just a fucking bike ride, quit taking your “flow” so seriously, lol.

The only change that should be made is downhill trail runners should yield to climbing Mtn bikers.


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Dude, WTF? Are you still pissed about the the ebikes?
What you described isn't yielding. Yielding is that WE get off our bikes, move over, and wait for THEM to walk past.
That's a stupid rule and it's what the yield triangle currently expects us to do.

What you described was what I proposed. Hikers should move off the trail and let bikers go past. Hence, "yielding" to us.
It's about efficiency, not entitlement.
Yes we should slow down to allow this to occur safely. That's not yielding. That's called not being a dick .
I'd be cool with adding "Above all, DON'T BE A DICK" to the bottom of the sign.

[Roxtar]

I disagree. The spectrum of bipedal trail users is far broader in body size and age than that of bikers, and some can't so easily step off the trail out of my way, or are intimidated by a bike at speed. What's the harm in yielding? In comparison to most places, we have near zero on-trail user conflicts here, and I'd rather keep it that way. But then again, I don't use Strava.

I understand what you're saying but I've ridden with you when you've attempted to do that.
It ends up in an awkward Mexican standoff.
You stop and tell the walkers to come. They step off the trail and tell you to come. This goes on until one side finally just goes.
Pretty much all hikers understand the reality of how much easier and timely it is for them to move over and let us pass vs the opposite.
That's how it almost always goes and it works fine for every one concerned.
All I'm suggesting is that the rules should make that official to avoid confusion.

I'm not advocating stravassholing; blowing by and scaring the bejesus out of them.
Be courtious, slow down, announce yourself, stop if necessary, and especially, SAY "THANK YOU, HAVE A GREAT HIKE/WALK/RUN".
The above sentence would pretty much remove all user conflicts.

[joetron]

Dude, WTF? Are you still pissed the the ebikes?
What you described isn't yielding. Yielding is that WE get off our bikes, move over, and wait for THEM to walk past.
That's a stupid rule.
That's what the yield triangle currently expects us to do.
What you described was what I proposed. Hikers should move off the trail and let bikers go past. Hence, "yielding" to us.
It's about efficiency, not entitlement.
Yes we should slow down to allow this to occur safely. That's not yielding. That's called not being a dick .
I'd be cool with adding "Above all, DON'T BE A DICK" to the bottom of the sign.

Face palm. Why is this so hard?
If I see a hiker ahead and slow down to yield and they stay in the trail, then yeah, I stop, put a foot down and say hello. Big deal.
A lot of the time, the hiker will step out of the way. Sweet. I’ll say hello and thank you and slowly roll by.
The important thing is that I’ve demonstrated control of my bike at that given spot(terrain, slight lines, etc) on a trail with other users. That’s yielding.
How do you handle Yield signs in your car? Complete stop every time? Or slow down to assess the intersection and proceed accordingly? What happens if we remove the Yield sign?
If the expectation is that hikers must get out of the way of bikes because it’s more “efficient” and the onus is on the old lady out looking at birds to be constantly on point for oncoming riders rather than the elbow pad clad, sunnies and a full face shuttle hero looking for hikers, it won’t take long before some Jerry smacks the shit out of a hiker who didn’t jump out of the way ‘like they were supposed to.’
“Don’t be a dick” is great advice for everyone, but we can’t even talk about gravel bikes or chain wax on this forum without being dicks to each other - so god help the family out for a hike on a multi-use trail on sunny Saturday when the North Shore Rack Limp Bizkit Raptor unloads at the upper trailhead.
The yield triangle exists because of shitty human nature. It’s seems kind of irrelevant for nice, rational folks that live that “don’t be a dick” lifestyle; but if it didn’t exist or was scrapped we’d have a lot more user conflict and land managers would take the easy route and say “Look, we’ve paid $500k to build you this flow trail and paved pump track over here at the bike park, so this is where you ride bikes now. That was a hiking trail before bikes were on it and Braeydin and Camdyn put Mildred in the hospital, but they blew it for everyone. Enjoy your flow trail, everyone loves flow trails right?”

Addendum: Braeydin and Camdyn quit riding soon after because flow trails are boring and now they are super into exhaust tuning their Subarus and making fart noises all over town.


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[skaredshtles]

Face palm. Why is this so hard?
If I see a hiker ahead and slow down to yield and they stay in the trail, then yeah, I stop, put a foot down and say hello. Big deal.
A lot of the time, the hiker will step out of the way. Sweet. I’ll say hello and thank you and slowly roll by.
The important thing is that I’ve demonstrated control of my bike at that given spot(terrain, slight lines, etc) on a trail with other users. That’s yielding.
How do you handle Yield signs in your car? Complete stop every time? Or slow down to assess the intersection and proceed accordingly? What happens if we remove the Yield sign?
If the expectation is that hikers must get out of the way of bikes because it’s more “efficient” and the onus is on the old lady out looking at birds to be constantly on point for oncoming riders rather than the elbow pad clad, sunnies and a full face shuttle hero looking for hikers, it won’t take long before some Jerry smacks the shit out of a hiker who didn’t jump out of the way ‘like they were supposed to.’
“Don’t be a dick” is great advice for everyone, but we can’t even talk about gravel bikes or chain wax on this forum without being dicks to each other - so god help the family out for a hike on a multi-use trail on sunny Saturday when the North Shore Rack Limp Bizkit Raptor unloads at the upper trailhead.
The yield triangle exists because of shitty human nature. It’s seems kind of irrelevant for nice, rational folks that live that “don’t be a dick” lifestyle; but if it didn’t exist or was scrapped we’d have a lot more user conflict and land managers would take the easy route and say “Look, we’ve paid $500k to build you this flow trail and paved pump track over here at the bike park, so this is where you ride bikes now. That was a hiking trail before bikes were on it and Braeydin and Camdyn put Mildred in the hospital, but they blew it for everyone. Enjoy your flow trail, everyone loves flow trails right?”

Addendum: Braeydin and Camdyn quit riding soon after because flow trails are boring and now they are super into exhaust tuning their Subarus and making fart noises all over town.


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Quality fuckin' rant. 8/10 - would recommend.

[Roxtar]

How do you handle Yield signs in your car? Complete stop every time? Or slow down to assess the intersection and proceed accordingly? What happens if we remove the Yield sign?

It's hard because you have it wrong. Sorry.
When you come to a yield sign and someone else is there you have to STOP and let them past. That's the definition of yielding.
You're describing what to do when no one is there which isn't applicable to this.

A yield sign determines who has to stop when two users meet. Not who has to slow down.

Same with the yield triangle. It states when a biker meets a hiker, the biker must stop and allow the hiker to walk past.
It doesn't mean the biker slows down and waits for the hiker to let HIM pass.

[skaredshtles]

Sorry but I think you have it wrong.
When you come to a yield sign and someone else is there you have to STOP and let them past. That's the definition of yielding.

I'm not sure this is technically true - you do need to modify your travel such that you defer to the vehicle at the intersection before you, but you *probably* don't need to come to a stop. The important point is that the onus is on the person with the yield sign.

[joetron]

Lol. People don’t even come to a complete stop at stop signs. Not saying that’s right, it’s just entitled human behavior. But they do acknowledge the sign, and usually other people at the intersection.
What happens if we remove the signs and tell everyone that there is this hierarchy of vehicles to yield to that everyone should inherently just know?
“The biggest fastest bro-dozers, yeah man, sorry about your Leaf, but you gotta always be on the lookout for those things. They always have the right of way” Mad Max shit.


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[skaredshtles]

Lol. People don’t even come to a complete stop at stop signs. Not saying that’s right, it’s just entitled human behavior.
What happens if we remove the signs and tell everyone that there is this hierarchy of vehicles to yield to? Mad Max shit.


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I treat pretty much all the stop signs in my neighborhood as yield signs.

[Roxtar]

Lol. People don’t even come to a complete stop at stop signs. Not saying that’s right, it’s just entitled human behavior. But they do acknowledge the sign, and usually other people at the intersection.
What happens if we remove the signs and tell everyone that there is this hierarchy of vehicles to yield to that everyone should inherently just know?
“The biggest fastest bro-dozers, yeah man, sorry about your Leaf, but you gotta always be on the lookout for those things. They always have the right of way” Mad Max shit.


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The point is you have to wait for the other person to go past you, whether that takes a complete stop or a slow down.
You are not allowed to pass in front of them.
In our world, due to the time it takes for a hiker to walk past, it would most likely be a complete stop.

[grskier]

S pin
T ires
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P avement

STOP... it's why it's all Caps.

*this is of course untrue and I don't condone not stopping

[jackstraw]

I treat pretty much all the stop signs in my neighborhood as yield signs.

Yielding at stop signs is environmentally friendly.