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Thread: Campaign: Hey, Look! Bring back the Pivot 15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flexon Phil View Post
    PX's and now SPX's are no longer available higher than a 14 either.
    is that true? Why did they discontinue them?

    Dynastar's website still shows px18s.
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    Hey Phill, why don't you post your tax returns, here on TGR, asshole. And your birth certificate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phill View Post
    is that true? Why did they discontinue them?

    Dynastar's website still shows px18s.
    For the race skis, narrow brakes. There is an SPX15 Rockerflex which shares the toe with the 18, so they still have the 15 springs. This binding uses the plastic heel from the 14. Then the PX18 Rockerflex again for the race skis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    Would be super easy for Look, they currently sell DIN 14 turntable heels and DIN 15 metal pivot toes (race bindings), all they need to do is box 'em together on the production line.
    Good point, although I always wondered why the newer PX 15s started at a DIN of 8 instead of 6 like the old FKS/Pivots. Figured it had something to do with the spring on the PX racing heel, since the PX 18s started at 10 instead of 8 like the turntables did/do. Makes you wonder if the current 8-15 PX toepieces are still using the same spring as the 6-15 version.

    Add my name to the petition to bring back the 15s. And keep the fixed AFD for these as well (or at least maintain compatibility with replacement P18 AFDs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    As for the market: some of us ski right on an 8, like a metal binding but don't like skiing a binding at the lowest possible setting (whether that actually matters or not.)
    This is me, but I'm a big fan of the Solly heel 'thunk' so am in STH 14 Drivers.

    When I've had Looks the 15 was my jam, and if it comes back I'll seriously consider it.

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    I am an STH 16 fan and own a couple of Rossi 18s... I am floored that many Jesters are sold... I can see the piece of shit Schizo because of the price, but am floored the Jester is popular...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undertow View Post
    I am an STH 16 fan and own a couple of Rossi 18s... I am floored that many Jesters are sold... I can see the piece of shit Schizo because of the price, but am floored the Jester is popular...
    Really? I'd put good money that the jester outsells the sth 16, sth2 16, pivot 18, etc, by a decent margin. And the griffon outsells the fks 140, sth2 13, sth14, etc.

    I'd be curious what guys who own shops say, though the masses buy their bindings and skis from the huge stores, a la Colorado Ski and Golf, Sports Authority (RIP), etc, which would have the real data.

    Not because they're better, but because they're marketed well, cheaper, easy to setup, and lightweight. And to be honest I never had any problems whatsoever with my jesters, schizos, and even griffins and squires within my family's gear for years past.

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    Probably did not make my point all that clear... No doubt Jesters sell and no doubt in greater quantities than Sollie and Rossi... I put a pair of Jesters on my 186 Viciks because i got a good deal on them and are an absolute piece of shit... Sollies for me first and 18s a really close second...

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    Really like my FKS180s but run them at the low end of the DIN range as well. Would have bought a 15 if available even if only a few bucks cheaper. Bring'em back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flexon Phil View Post
    For the race skis, narrow brakes. There is an SPX15 Rockerflex which shares the toe with the 18, so they still have the 15 springs. This binding uses the plastic heel from the 14. Then the PX18 Rockerflex again for the race skis.
    Talked to a shop buddy, he said you can still order the px18 flat with a 130mm brake.
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    Hey Phill, why don't you post your tax returns, here on TGR, asshole. And your birth certificate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phill View Post
    Talked to a shop buddy, he said you can still order the px18 flat with a 130mm brake.
    There might be some left in the warehouse but they are not in the 2017 catalog and I don't recall them being lt years either.
    Click. Point. Chute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phill View Post
    Talked to a shop buddy, he said you can still order the px18 flat with a 130mm brake.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flexon Phil View Post
    There might be some left in the warehouse but they are not in the 2017 catalog and I don't recall them being lt years either.
    The Pivot 18 B130 White was available last season & is in Looks 16/17 price list. The model number is FCFA001.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyderjon View Post
    The Pivot 18 B130 White was available last season & is in Looks 16/17 price list. The model number is FCFA001.
    He is talking PX18, not Pivot 18, that we know is available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flexon Phil View Post
    He is talking PX18, not Pivot 18, that we know is available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post
    This is me, but I'm a big fan of the Solly heel 'thunk' so am in STH 14 Drivers.

    When I've had Looks the 15 was my jam, and if it comes back I'll seriously consider it.
    I am a also a huge fan of the Sally heel but we in into the same isses with an all metal Salomon, the binding has even more limitations than the Pivot18, the all metal Salomons start as a 9 (916), I don't think we will see another Sth Steel, Salomon is putting all of their eggs in the Sth2/Warden design.
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    Bottom line for me is that anyone that runs less than an 8 din doesn't need an all metal binding. And it is fine to run an 8-18 at 8. So essentially all you are asking for is a price drop in the 18.

    Or just a vanity binding for someone that runs 6 din.

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    Exactly, there is so mucho of this middle of the range myth that gets recycled. People who ski with their bindings at 9 and think that for some reason that an 8-18 binding won't work.

    I have some 997 14-20 that I run at 14 toe and 15 heel and they've released when they should and never prereleased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    Bottom line for me is that anyone that runs less than an 8 din doesn't need an all metal binding. And it is fine to run an 8-18 at 8. So essentially all you are asking for is a price drop in the 18.

    Or just a vanity binding for someone that runs 6 din.
    I don't see how wanting something more durable: from throwing it in you car, to kicking snow off your boot on the toe piece, to lasting longer than composites which inherently degrade over time--is "vanity." If bindings were still going through significant technological changes than maybe it would be vanity to want something that last 10 years vs 5 years of hard, regular skiing, even at a 6-7DIN. But we haven't seen much true innovation in the binding space for the last decade for standard alpine bindings. (Sure, lots of refinements, and the whole transverse-spring thing is cool. But nothing revolutionary.) Which is why so many mags still love the old 9XX series sollys or decade-old Pivots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flexon Phil View Post
    I am a also a huge fan of the Sally heel but we in into the same isses with an all metal Salomon, the binding has even more limitations than the Pivot18, the all metal Salomons start as a 9 (916), I don't think we will see another Sth Steel, Salomon is putting all of their eggs in the Sth2/Warden design.
    For lighter guys, the 916/Steel can start at 8 if the toe screw is set at 9 and then backed off 1/2 turn, and the heel is set at 9 and then backed off one full turn. The springs are linear, so it's the same amount of turn per 1 DIN increase or decrease.

    Given all the love for FKS' low stack height, it's surprising that nobody complains about the STH2 stack being 5mm higher than STH. That's a pretty big increase.
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    The only real issue with running an 8-18 din binding at 8-8.5 or even 9 is you have no where to go if the spring or binding is slightly out of spec, or doesn't age perfectly. These are not exactly scientific instruments with regards to precision or accuracy.

    As for the if you ride an 8-10 you don't need metal argument: maybe not, but the single pivot toe is a simpler design and will likely last longer than the plastic full drive toe. It also doesn't offer vertical release, which some of us like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    For lighter guys, the 916/Steel starts at 8 if the toe screw is set at 9 and then backed off 1/2 turn, and the heel is set at 9 and then backed off one full turn. The springs are linear, so it's the same amount of turn per 1 DIN increase or decrease.
    People do that? I don't think I'd be comfortable running that kind of setup. I like metal bindings because I hate the feeling of a binding falling apart during use and don't mind the weight increase. I typically start around 9 and work my way up during the course of a season to 11-13

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    Another one of the things that is grear about the 15 is that you don't have to ski it as if you are a Type IV+, there is a ton of elasticity in the toe and heel that you can run it at a mortal setting and it will still hold you in but if you get in that slow twisting fall, when the bindign does not know you are not 6'8" 285lb with a 284BSL, it will still release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flexon Phil View Post
    No problem with the shape although the Y toe was lighter. I have some metal Y toes that are down to a 13 DIN.
    Buyer here when ready still rockin some red and silver fades and tombas. Amazing I still ride this stuff after 20 years.
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    So the sth2 wtr16 is not all steel and the old sth16 is?

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    There was an all steel version of the old one, and a regular version with more plastic.

    Now there is just a regular version. It has a little metal framing inside of it, but it's nothing like the old sth 16 steel

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    Bottom line for me is that anyone that runs less than an 8 din doesn't need an all metal binding. And it is fine to run an 8-18 at 8. So essentially all you are asking for is a price drop in the 18.

    Or just a vanity binding for someone that runs 6 din.

    I'm curious how many people here run their P18s in the 15-18 range?
    6-15 really does sound like a range that has a bigger market.
    Telling someone they don't need a metal binding is just plain stupid.
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