ON3P SKIS Discussion

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Oooo Cocoapuff is probably the best for this one.

Less drive. Less fall line. More play. Better on hardpack.

[cocoapuff]

I think the only areas BlackOps beats Jeffrey is it is a better carver, and more accepting of driving the shovels. At least at -3 where I skied them.

BG vs Jeff are way too different to sum up in one sentence. I agree with what Kim said and biggest difference being balance point/mount and stance imho. Both destroy chop and both are super loose but they are skied in totally different ways.

[Muggydude]

PSA: Selling a set of pristine 184cm Steeple 116’s.

Basically last year before asym Billy Goats, but with a slightly lighter layup (2200g/ski) and a little rounder flex profile. Tail is also skin clip friendly.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...80#post7210880

[CouloirInTheLines]

Oooo Cocoapuff is probably the best for this one.

Less drive. Less fall line. More play. Better on hardpack.

These comparisons are great, KJT. Can you do J124 vs J118?


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[SchralphMacchio]

BG vs Jeff are way too different to sum up in one sentence. I agree with what Kim said and biggest difference being balance point/mount and stance imho. Both destroy chop and both are super loose but they are skied in totally different ways.

Thanks.

What about cake batter snow? Seems like BG would be superior based on pintail and elongated tail taper?

My BG journey started when I realized that my heavily cambered Armada Tracer 118s (-9 mount) that mostly love GS turns was not ideal for tight steep trees in heavy thick Western Oregon snow. I wanted something that didn’t necessarily want energy thrown into every turn and could take quicker line corrections and pivots but could still blast through wind effect features and stomp airs when runouts are more forgiving. Something as fun and playful as a Rustler 11 (I ski mine at -7) but with a 118-122mm waist and a core better suited to high density deep snow.

I go back and forth about what kind of skier I am and what kind I want to be. Loving my 182 Woods 110s (currently at -7) so much I kept thinking that would put me squarely in the BG category. They feel like they have the perfect balance of smash and play for me.

I appreciate aspects of the 179 BG116s and 182 BG118s that I’ve acquired but I’m not yet at Nirvana status on either, I think mostly due to flex pattern and mount point on each. My options seem like they are to keep dialing in tune and mount point on these BGs or maybe start pursuing J118 if those skis are adept in cake batter. I’d consider a custom soft J124 too, but I also recently acquired excellent condition 179 Hellbent 132s on which I will put demo bindings at -3 cm … (for the sake of science of course)

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Flex is more round on the 124. Float is insane and it’s unreal in double overhead but comes at the cost of chop performance. The 118 floats really well but is a lot better as a resort pow ski unless you have a spot like Alta where swapping skis is really easy. Both are equally easy to pivot. 124 is more surfy 118 is more smashy.

[Eastside]

Where does the Ghost Train fit in that 118 v 124 conversation? Based on what you said, I’d get the 118 over the 124

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

J124 and the GT are super close. Operate in the same slot on the quiver. The J124 is a lot better on roughed up groomers though.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I haven’t taken out the GT once this year.

[gillplease@gmail.com]

similar to an earlier question, so sorry if redudant, but maybe helpful for those guys too but also kind of a rossi slash on3p comparison.

I currently ride the black ops 98 (new model of holyshred, old model of super blackops i think....) and I think for a prog mounted twin that can do some park it rails groomers. Has a ton of edge grip so I've been loving it on east coast. Not sure about the wider models, but if they share a similar shape to the 98 they will carve really well. Maybe also due to their weight, this ski feels wicked solid but a bit heavy too.
I was looking to add a more playful, more agile ski to my setup and thought the jeffrey 92 would be sweet. Similar mount point, i like it forward, but lighter and quicker than the BO98
talked to the guys at on3p they said 176 or 181 would work for my size im 178cm 170 lbs. they said theyve seen some guys size down from 186 to 181 with the new ripper profile.
think ill get a 176 to avoid too much overlap with my BO98 unless someone here is going to tell me the ripper profile still feels wicked short and sizing up is necessary.

[mr_pretzel]

J124s look so sweet. What length do you have? I really want to order a tour layup pair for deep surfing

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

FWIW I find that my 187 Jeffery 110 ripper skis a touch longer but not an inasne amount. I think If I was trying to bridge the gap to 191 I would go with and extra stiff layup. You definitly are tweenered but I would probably opt for the 181 as its not super heavy or unforgiving.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I have the 191 that split time between a buddy and I (Same BSL) I actually want to see if I can make it a pair a touch ligher than my pair (2525). I think a 50/50 core would be awesome for extreme surf.

[mr_pretzel]

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Oooo Cocoapuff is probably the best for this one. Less drive. Less fall line. More play. Better on hardpack.

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[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I think this ski with the flex is a bit more sensitive to how much you weigh. I&#39;m 225 now but think it will be even better when I shed some fat lol.

a 186 would be a sick tree ski. I had a 186 118 full layup and never felt I was lacking float.

[Going Coastal]

My 186 J118T came in around 2000g if I remember correctly.

[eSock]

Weekend storms call for Billy goats playing clean up crew

[Going Coastal]

Just looked, weight with Tecton 13s and 120 brake is 2560g. That would put them right around 2k, plus or minus a dozen maybe.

[Eastside]

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I haven&rsquo;t taken out the GT once this year.

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[HukuTa_KydecHuk]

how is the 2025 BG as a big mountain charger? like near warp speed charging in different snow conditions on different elevation levels

[SchralphMacchio]

Near warp speed from top to bottom (especially meaning a variety of snow densities), excluding firm cat tracks and groomers, is pretty much the main claim to fame of the BG, especially if you size up or go custom stiff.

I’m still trying to figure out the two pairs that I own, but speed limit is not nor has it ever been even a remote concern.

Think about this, at -10 cm, the BG is now the most rearward mount ski that is in regular stock inventory from ON3P. When you stand on those big RES tips, they light up afterburners down the fall line, at least that was the case on my BG118s.

I will say that if true firm snow, like wind hardened rime crusts, is thrown into the mix, I personally would prefer a WD116 but that’s only because I know how to ski the WD108/110 edges on those surfaces. The RES tip is very different on true firm snow, but on “firmish but still 3D” snow like sastrugi the BG is completely at home. On my 179 BG116s (I weigh 140 lbs) I found myself actually *seeking* sastrugi to rip through it!

[beeeom]

how is the 2025 BG as a big mountain charger? like near warp speed charging in different snow conditions on different elevation levels

Youll be stoked on the mang-goats. They definitely charge. The tail is a bit more stout than older BGs so you can just stand on them and blast, but they still have that BG hovercraft magic. The only reason I sold them is because another set of minty 2014 BGs fell into my lap and they work better for me in the outrageous trees that were lucky enough to have here.

[IceBumps]

The 118 BG definitely charge and absolutely crush wide open terrain with chop at blistering speed. My utilization of these has been limited to cold Colorado pow (as opposed to PNW) and once I figured them out in tighter quarters they snaked through trees at a speed that was a bit hair raising but trusting.

[IceBumps]

A member sent me a PM about my BG experience but I don&#39;t think my response is going through, so I will post it here.
I am on the current BG 118. For reference, I am 5ft 10 in 205lbs, so my weight probably helps bending the ski. I ski the east so mostly hard snow. When I first got into tighter terrain, and deep powder in the trees, I would get the over the bars feeling. I shifted my balance to a more neutral, relaxed, but athletic stance. I also started actively pulling my legs up when initiating the turns like mogul skiing which helped to pivot and slash the skis. Also I was skiing more defensively at first in those tight scenarios but had to get comfortable with letting the skis flow. It took me about 2 and a half days to figure out. There is no doubt BG is a charging type of ski. I later saw a YouTube video from Ski Dad TV. The title is Skiing Powder Without the Burning Legs. This is ultimately the technique that I feel that I was employing.

[lrn2swim]

Got out for the first time on these new BG118s this morning at Hyak in a fresh 8-12 inches of the most delicious cream cheese cake batter imaginable. You can forget about any concerns about these not being as good in PNW hot pow as older models. Easily the best ski I've ever been on in these conditions. Also, they ski perfect out of the wrapper. No tune issues whatsoever.

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