ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Dhiler17]

You’re Woods 92 are the ripper rocker version? I’m still skiing an old Prester, it’s old as in full camber no rocker, 86mm underfoot. Can’t find a non-race ski that’s full camber anymore so I’ll probably own these forever. I’ve been skiing VT and NH, haven’t been to Sunday River in a while but basically similar conditions. Did you guys get a lot of rain and refreeze last week? Must’ve been above average icy conditions. Was thinking of trying ripper rocker, but I have an old Wren 102 so getting a 92 is a bit too much overlap for me. I also find when I start to ski like crap it’s usually a boot adjustment or fatigue that’s my problem before the ski.


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Yes, all 92 ON3P’s come with ripper rocker. We did get rain and it was refrozen by that point, but I wouldn’t say it was abnormal conditions for Western Maine. They also did a really good job resurfacing the snow Thursday night making for a great morning. I got into some softer snow yesterday at Sugarloaf and they performed a lot better in 3D snow, but the edges didn’t grip up when bouncing between soft patches. Rocker and shape seem like they’d fit the bill, but the factory tune (and de-tune) drastically inhibit their ability to edge on anything remotely firm.


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[kid-kapow]

Going to wade into some controversial territory in the ONep fanboy thread.

ON3P builds some wonderful soft snow biased skis. They “can” be skied from anywhere but neutral is their preferred place. Limitations of their skis really show when it gets icy or when the pilot starts asking for more precise and powerful input (especially on edge).

Big example of this was yesterday: my wife has been on a pair of Jessie’s for the last four years. I noticed last year that she wasn’t getting anything out of the exists of her turn. Brought the skis in for a full base grind and tune hoping it would help (it didn’t).

Yesterday I put her on some Blizzard Shivas. Holy fuck she was fully completing her turns and not shitting them like she was on her Jessie’s.

That precision let her carry wayyyy more speed into the chop as she could trust the edge hold and stability of the ski. Truly it was beautiful to witness!!

But this family is now moving away from ON3P and going back to ski brands who understand the importance of on piste performance (dynastar, blizzard, HL).

I don't really see anything for anybody to be butt hurt about in your post.

I just sounds like she needed to be on a different ski with different characteristics and good on you for making the switch.

There is a reason that skis like Sheevas and Black Pearls sells like hot cakes, and it is not that Jessie/Jeffs are terrible at carving - something they've never claimed to be class leading at or designed to excel at. Chances are that a park rat / freestyler would be equally on the wrong ski with a Rustler/Sheeva - which again is not a criticism of those skis. Different strokes for different folks.

I am curious if the switch from 22oz to 19oz glass and from wider carbon strip to multiple stringers make for a torsionally softer ski.

I can't wait try out my J100s RRs. I do not expect them to win any carving awards, but be good enough

[Jvhowube]

Is the current generation of Billy Goat asymmetrical?
Did I ski them on the wrong feet or do I just need to detune the tails (it felt like I couldn't turn)? Or were conditions at Baker on Saturday morning just that terrible?
Also if I loved the Moment Wildcat and love my Wildcat 108's, should I be on the Jeffrey instead of the Billy Goat? Or just on another pair of Wildcats?

[TAFKALVS]

Is the current generation of Billy Goat asymmetrical?
Did I ski them on the wrong feet or do I just need to detune the tails (it felt like I couldn't turn)? Or were conditions at Baker on Saturday morning just that terrible?
Also if I loved the Moment Wildcat and love my Wildcat 108's, should I be on the Jeffrey instead of the Billy Goat?

Did you check make sure your base is true/flat, and you don’t have a weird tune (bevel) issue? Is the ski detuned?

I’ve felt similar on ON3Ps, and it’s generally tune or edge high bases unfortunately.

[Skeeze]

Sounds like lack of base edge bevel to me, a semi-common occurrence and it does indeed make turning impossible.

[Sessiøn]

Did you check make sure your base is true/flat, and you don’t have a weird tune (bevel) issue? Is the ski detuned?

I’ve felt similar on ON3Ps, and it’s generally tune or edge high bases unfortunately.

Sounds like lack of base edge bevel to me, a semi-common occurrence and it does indeed make turning impossible.

You guys still clinging on to this shit?

[TAFKALVS]

You guys still clinging on to this shit?

Looks like it’s still a problem, especially if it’s an older ski.

Or we could just say ON3P lost touch with how to design the flex pattern and shape of a directional ski around 2018 and clearly keep churning out same problematic designs and are coasting on the good will of people who owned their older skis?

OP, next time you ski on them, ditch your poles. Wear Adidas track pants, and ski with your jacket unzipped. Get boots two sizes too big. Get some shitty thin gas station sunglasses and a hat with flames on it. Ski as if you are sitting in a chair with your calves driving the rear of the boot. Flail your arms wildly.

Remember that Session says there no possibility that the tune is bad. So it’s either you or the ski, and based on how ON3P athletes ski, you just need to change your technique.

[kid-kapow]

OP, next time you ski on them, ditch your poles. Wear Adidas track pants, and ski with your jacket unzipped. Get boots two sizes too big. Get some shitty thin gas station sunglasses and a hat with flames on it. Ski as if you are sitting in a chair with your calves driving the rear of the boot. Flail your arms wildly.

lol - snake style? (this description made me laugh out loud)

it sounds like a tune issue, potentially something as easy to fix as de edges not being detuned enough past the rear contact points. If so, incredibly easy to fix and something that should make for a huge difference. Still, unfortunate for such a good product be marred by such a trivial and unneccesary mistake that still could make them practically unskiable.

My BlackOps98s felt the same, locked in, hooky and shitty in soft snow off piste. A bit of edge work later, problem fixed. For the sake of comparison, most of the tunes on my Rossis (BO118, SF110, BO98, S106ti+) and Dynastars (Factory Protos, MF 118, MF108s, MF99s) have been well short of perfect as well. Still awesome skis - and I would buy again and recommend them to others just like I am happy to recommend ON3Ps.

[Sessiøn]

Looks like it’s still a problem, especially if it’s an older ski.

Or we could just say ON3P lost touch with how to design the flex pattern and shape of a directional ski around 2018 and clearly keep churning out same problematic designs and are coasting on the good will of people who owned their older skis?

OP, next time you ski on them, ditch your poles. Wear Adidas track pants, and ski with your jacket unzipped. Get boots two sizes too big. Get some shitty thin gas station sunglasses and a hat with flames on it. Ski as if you are sitting in a chair with your calves driving the rear of the boot. Flail your arms wildly.

Remember that Session says there no possibility that the tune is bad. So it’s either you or the ski, and based on how ON3P athletes ski, you just need to change your technique.

Or you could just detune the rockered sections to meet your desires.

[pfluffenmeister]

lol - snake style? (this description made me laugh out loud)

it sounds like a tune issue, potentially something as easy to fix as de edges not being detuned enough past the rear contact points. If so, incredibly easy to fix and something that should make for a huge difference. Still, unfortunate for such a good product be marred by such a trivial and unneccesary mistake that still could make them practically unskiable.

My BlackOps98s felt the same, locked in, hooky and shitty in soft snow off piste. A bit of edge work later, problem fixed. For the sake of comparison, most of the tunes on my Rossis (BO118, SF110, BO98, S106ti+) and Dynastars (Factory Protos, MF 118, MF108s, MF99s) have been well short of perfect as well. Still awesome skis - and I would buy again and recommend them to others just like I am happy to recommend ON3Ps.

YOU CANNOT DEFEAT MY SNAKESTYLE!!!

[SkiLyft]

I’d pay to watch someone snake style on ZFs

[2FUNKY]

^ You wanna die? ‘Cause that’s how you die…



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[phatty]

Is the current generation of Billy Goat asymmetrical?
Did I ski them on the wrong feet or do I just need to detune the tails (it felt like I couldn't turn)? Or were conditions at Baker on Saturday morning just that terrible?
Also if I loved the Moment Wildcat and love my Wildcat 108's, should I be on the Jeffrey instead of the Billy Goat? Or just on another pair of Wildcats?

I had a previous one ninety two of the BG one eighteen and the tails just sucked. Wasn't a tune issue, just a design issue. When On three started designing BGs for CO vs the PNW, that's when they lost me. I bought a new pair of Jeff's to compare as no one ever complains about those. Also looking at the new HL one sixteen as a potential replacement, but still just love my old BGs. Get some pre-asym if you want the long length. If you want the one eight seven/six, I hear those are still good.

Are we ever going to figure out this number/emoji crap?

[pfluffenmeister]

I’d pay to watch someone snake style on ZFs

Hmmm ...

^ You wanna die? ‘Cause that’s how you die…

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Also, hmmm ...

[gaijin]

I swear to god there isn't a thread on TGR more dramatic than any ON3P thread about detuning.

ON3P could have been the #1 ski producer in the world... Instead, they chose to ship their skis to 14year olds who don't understand shit.

"I don't like sharp skis, and I don't know which words to use."

I genuinely feel bad for ON3P. You guys have been dealt a bad wrap for the last 20 years.

Stop catering to tik-tockers...

[Sessiøn]

I swear to god there isn't a thread on TGR more dramatic than any ON3P thread about detuning.

ON3P could have been the #1 ski producer in the world... Instead, they chose to ship their skis to 14year olds who don't understand shit.

"I don't like sharp skis, and I don't know which words to use."

I genuinely feel bad for ON3P. You guys have been dealt a bad wrap for the last 20 years.

Stop catering to tik-tockers...

Literally fucked either way. Too sharp? "I don't know how to use a gummi". Too detuned "These aaint shaap enuff for Westaan Maine Bub"

[EWG]

I think you’re right MrsSL just outgrew her Jessie’s and wanted something with a bit more stability/backbone/energy.

That said I remember when I went from skiing Salomon Rocker[emoji638]s to the Blizzard Gunsmokes back in [emoji638][emoji646][emoji637][emoji640]

Big light bulb moment for me and what metal and mass in a ski could do!

Following this a bit: I think there is just such a huge difference between what Jess/Jeffs and Sheevas are designed to do. I have Jeffs and Woods (both 108). I can carve power turns on icy hardpack on the Jeffs but the pocket I have to sit in is very small. On the Woods it's much bigger and more forgiving. To fully rip an icy carve out of the Jeffs you need to have your weight inside your foot length - think of stomping your entire footbed down into the snow, feeling pressure on ball and heel of foot. I might even have to move the weight point around a little during the turn, but I've never really thought about that before - would have to check that out on snow to tell for sure. On the Woods you can carve with your shin into the front of the boot - much larger sweet spot, though still a bit upright. I actually think the Woods carve amazingly well for a 108.

So I guess I'm saying that ON3P makes skis that can carve, but those Jessies are not really designed for that. Like, at all. It can certainly be done but it's quite touchy. Stability/backbone/energy describes Wrenagades, not Jessies. Pop/playful/buttery/surfy is more their style.

[MoeSnow]

I haven’t had issues on firm snow on Wren/Jeffs. I can’t get crazy high up on my edges on ON3Ps like I can on piste-oriented euro models. But, what I appreciate about ON3P skis is the loose yet capable feel they have off-piste.

I agree/concur that getting a clean carve out Jeffreys is a bit more nuanced than their more directional models.

[Bandit Man]

I swear to god there isn't a thread on TGR more dramatic than any ON3P thread about detuning.

ON3P could have been the #1 ski producer in the world... Instead, they chose to ship their skis to 14year olds who don't understand shit.

"I don't like sharp skis, and I don't know which words to use."

I genuinely feel bad for ON3P. You guys have been dealt a bad wrap for the last 20 years.

Stop catering to tik-tockers...

When there’s drama in the ON3P thread about base bevels and tunes and gaijin chimes in, it almost feels like the old days of TGR! [emoji6]

[banzai]

OP, next time you ski on them, ditch your poles. Wear Adidas track pants, and ski with your jacket unzipped. Get boots two sizes too big. Get some shitty thin gas station sunglasses and a hat with flames on it. Ski as if you are sitting in a chair with your calves driving the rear of the boot. Flail your arms wildly.

So, I got some Adidas terrex infinium gear this season and I am from the Balkans, so extra OG points there. Going snake style next time I ski my Wrens.

[PowTron]

Checking in for first time in months. Glad to see nothing has changed. Please let it snow.


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[AmmergauerTele]

So.....I don't think I'm the sharpest tool in the shed and mounted my 191cm 118 BG's on center. Feel like I am skiing too far in the back on them. Hence why I think I screwed up. Got Look Pivots on there - thinking of re-mouting forward. Couple questions - how forward of Centerline should I be going? Also, how much distance do you need between binding holes to retain the strength. I ain't small and push 6'3" and 235 lbs.

[BeHuWe]

So, to get this back on track.

Wrens are a great ski, great to rage on.

Stiff layup ripper rocker Jeff’s may not be for you if your goal is perfect PSIA turns on a perfectly groomed slope. That’s what quivers are for. But if variable is the name of the game and if all you care about is shralping with style these will do it for ya and help plaster a huge smile on your face for the ride up the chair.



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[MoeSnow]

Was once skiing at Mt. Bachelor during a spring weekend. Saw a race kid lugging around Jeffrey 110s. Asked him if he raced in them and he said yes. His parents would only buy him one pair of skis for the season. Asked if he ever won and he said he regularly placed in the top 10% of competitors. Can't carve on your ON3Ps? Might be a skill issue.

[Sessiøn]

Checking in for first time in months. Glad to see nothing has changed. Please let it snow.


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Same dorks who think a company can survive by catering only to their specific use case as they slowly fossilize.