ON3P SKIS Discussion

[SupreChicken]

These limited editions have been pretty sick, especially those Wrens.

I wonder if they have anything in the pipe for the BG lineup.

I mean. Isn’t this a swan song for the wren? And doesn’t the BG sell way too well to swan song it?

[SchralphMacchio]

You guys think the Woods has cannibalized enough of the already-small “no speed limit freeride charger” category to force the Wren retirement?
Seems odd to me, as the current Woods was made so much more accessible than the Gen 1 Woods that it seems like it really stands apart in personality from the Jeff and Wren … but I haven’t been on a Wren since Gen 1, which was burly AF.

[Going Coastal]

I mean. Isn’t this a swan song for the wren? And doesn’t the BG sell way too well to swan song it?

Sorry, didn't mean to suggest that. Just seeing the limited edition top sheets for Jeffs, Mangos, now Wrens, so curious if they will do something similar for the BG.

I've made up my mind on a BGT110 for next season, just waiting to see if i need to go custom if something eye catching doesn't release.

[kid-kapow]

I am guessing there will be some slight tweaks wrt flex pattern vs camber profile vs mount point with the RES skis, especially the 192 lengths. I would very surprised if Iggy do not drum up yet another banger of a BG graphic too, hopefully both for the tour versions and the regular versions.

I would be surprised if a limited edition BG is released prior to the 24/24 lineup. The jeff/mango ltds are really "only" limited runs of existing graphics (with the exception of the doobski) probably slotted in to fill the production line, buy some time to finalize 23/24 designs while still selling skis/mangos or because somebody at the factory wanted to make the point break wood veneers (fantastic idea). The wren swan song release has probably been planned for some time.

But still impressive to release multiple limited run skis, while also having to make graphics for the entire line for the 23/24 season. As such it will be interesting to see what other tweaks the various skis get - or most notably the woods. Iggy must have been working his socks off, like always. Can't wait for more new designs to be released

[auvgeek]

You guys think the Woods has cannibalized enough of the already-small “no speed limit freeride charger” category to force the Wren retirement?
Seems odd to me, as the current Woods was made so much more accessible than the Gen 1 Woods that it seems like it really stands apart in personality from the Jeff and Wren … but I haven’t been on a Wren since Gen 1, which was burly AF.

No, I just don’t think they sell enough Wrens to justify production.

Before they made the Woodsman, you had the option of Wren line (charger AM) or Jeffrey line (progressive AM) or park skis. Many people were torn between the Jeff and the Wren. What about the vast majority of people who don’t charge (don’t want to charge all the time, don’t charge anymore, etc) and also don’t love progressive mounts? That’s why you had people buying a Jeff and mounting -2/-3. Or other people buying a Wren when they would have been happier on a Salamon QST or whatever.

Also, some of those people were super focused on widths, and ended up on the wrong ski simply because one came in a 98 underfoot and the other came in a 102 underfoot. Which Scott mentioned he realized and fixed by standardizing widths. At the end of the day, Scott has to sell skis, and he gets more business by putting people on the right ski. I recall that has commented here that he got a lot of people calling to about Wren vs Jeffrey, and he was frustrated that sometimes people would disregard his advice because they wanted something under 100 underfoot or over 100 underfoot (before he standardized widths).

The Woodsman solved that conundrum of Wren or Jeffrey for a bunch of people, but it stole from the Wren’s already-shrinking sales.

[kid-kapow]

New hotness has arrived. Jeffrey 118, 191cm.

Did you get any time on them before the lifts closed for the season MHSP1497?

[MHSP1497]

Did you get any time on them before the lifts closed for the season MHSP1497?

Unfortunately, no… will report 1st thing next season tho!

[kid-kapow]

Unfortunately, no… will report 1st thing next season tho!

ah - I see. Thanks for the swift reply though

[SchralphMacchio]

The Woodsman solved that conundrum of Wren or Jeffrey for a bunch of people, but it stole from the Wren’s already-shrinking sales.

We’re saying the same thing. That’s called market segment cannibalization.

[auvgeek]

We’re saying the same thing. That’s called market segment cannibalization.

I know. I was trying to address your “seems odd to me” statement.

My point was that 10+ years ago, I think there were enough people who wanted a Wrenegade that ON3P could have sold the Wren and Woods and Jeff without a problem. I don’t think the Woods would have cannibalism the Wren market.

Just like there were enough people buying pow skis to justify a BG, C&D, and Caylor. It was the era of the pow ski.

But times have changed. People want to ski light boots and light skis. They want the option to go uphill on any setup. People don’t want dedicated chargers anymore.

[tuco]

I do

[phatty]

People don’t want dedicated chargers anymore.

Speak for yourself, Bro [emoji28] I have a couple and always on the lookout.

That said, most people are looking for the elusive "playful charger" which is more on the Woods side.

[Orthoski]

I wish the Wren got more traction on the east coast. I love my Jeffrey 108s out west with its loose tail, especially in deep snow or steep technical terrain, and the bamboo core gives it enough stability for my needs. Obviously the BGs kill it in 3D snow. But on any given day on the east coast I just kept coming back to the Wren 102ti. In anything but absolute ice it's got a perfect combination of looseness and bite, even bumps are easy because of the front rocker, the turning radius is dialed, the manky man made snow is easy, etc. I'm considering getting a back up pair because I just kept coming back to them. I may be wrong, but out east the main folks who buy ON3P are those doing laps in the park, but the Wren 102ti is perfect. I should add that the tail of the Wren is actually incredibly easy to release, especially when the snow isn't super deep.

[tuco]

Speak for yourself, Bro [emoji28] I have a couple and always on the lookout.

That said, most people are looking for the elusive "playful charger" which is more on the Woods side.

Caylors slay!

[jackattack]

. People don’t want dedicated chargers anymore.

Edit to add: I will beat this dead horse forever.

Maybe, but not in this crowd. We like chargers that can rip a firm groomer as well as charge variable. No matter the layup, the wrens deep rocker and stiff layup did not engage well in firm conditions (and I owned the wren 88.) Powder charger, sure, but I have goats for pow.

On3p is a park ski company. They know their market and must capitalize on that. I get it and I hope they’re successful.

[Bandit Man]

Edit to add: I will beat this dead horse forever.

Maybe, but not in this crowd. We like chargers that can rip a firm groomer as well as charge variable. No matter the layup, the wrens deep rocker and stiff layup did not engage well in firm conditions (and I owned the wren 88.) Powder charger, sure, but I have goats for pow.

On3p is a park ski company. They know their market and must capitalize on that. I get it and I hope they’re successful.

+1

Also wanted to say, everyone chiming in with their “dedicated charger” comments should state their age. [emoji6]


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[auvgeek]

To be clear, I’m not speaking for this crowd or myself.

I meant it more as a “the masses” no longer want a charger ski.

I was gonna edit my post, but then Tuco’s response wouldn’t make sense.

[shroom]

Edit to add: I will beat this dead horse forever.

Maybe, but not in this crowd. We like chargers that can rip a firm groomer as well as charge variable. No matter the layup, the wrens deep rocker and stiff layup did not engage well in firm conditions (and I owned the wren 88.) Powder charger, sure, but I have goats for pow.

On3p is a park ski company. They know their market and must capitalize on that. I get it and I hope they’re successful.

+1

i do miss my 108 189 down the fall line in soft chop, but don’t miss saucering

fun ski for big turns but not in a unique way

[phatty]

+1

Also wanted to say, everyone chiming in with their “dedicated charger” comments should state their age. [emoji6]


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I knew this +1 was coming [emoji23]

I also agree that the masses don't want dedicated chargers. At least we have Marshall looking out for us freaks. Especially now that Moment got rid of the Commanders. [emoji22]

[scmartin69]

+1

i do miss my 108 189 down the fall line in soft chop, but don’t miss saucering

fun ski for big turns but not in a unique way

I have a pair I'm looking to sell if you're nostalgic...

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[adrenalated]

Raises hand.
I spent more time on my "dedicated chargers" this year than I have in a long time. 186 Wren 113 (from when they were quite stout and had pretty flat tails) and OG 182 Moment Belafonte (from before they started doing fucked up camber) got most of my inbounds ski days this year. Thing is, I'm pushing 40 and pretty much nobody younger than me want this kind of ski anymore. Everyone my age and older is slowing down and won't be able to ski a ski like this forever. Yeah, I definitely want a ski or two like this in my quiver, but I've got a couple pairs and they're both 10+ years old and still going strong because they're indestructible, so as is said above... ain't nobody buying Wrens. I'm sad they're leaving but not at all surprised.
I'd love to hoard but have too much other adult shit to spend money on right now.

[jacob_dbu]

I just think that forward mount points give you more tail which are more forgiving on backseat airs. And with freeriding taking over Instagram, that’s what sells.

[Doremite]

Heritage Lab exists since the greats inevitably retire. Another example of the market moving away from demanding/rewarding builds. I, for one, am glad my quiver is Wren deep. 96/102/108. All in great shape. Have some Woods too but the Wren has always been my jam. 48 going on 28 (in my mind). I will probably be too old to ski these by the time they all die.

[gaijin]

I will probably be too old to ski these by the time they all die.

Which is exactly why we’re not buying them anymore.

HL basically exists as a pre-order business model. It’s genius and sustainable.

I agree— ON3P is a park ski company. And I wish them success. Jibbers need their cult, too.

[Doremite]

Which is exactly why we’re not buying them anymore.

HL basically exists as a pre-order business model. It’s genius and sustainable.

I agree— ON3P is a park ski company. And I wish them success. Jibbers need their cult, too.

The BG tribe is sharpening their pitch forks. Lock your doors.