ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Marko888]

FYI - ON3P Spring sale has switched to ON!

[Bandit Man]

Figure this is a long shot, but tossing this out. Looking for a Jeffrey 102 (or similar) in a 166 or 171 length. My youngest skied his sister’s 161 Jessie 102’s last weekend and loved them. He’s a bit bigger than her. So looking for something a bit longer.

Got what I was after from Lucknau. My son is going to be stoked!


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[MoeSnow]

man, I would have picked them up immediately if I could. Alas, the pond lies in the way. Freaking great price for a dream setup - whoever gets them is really lucky.

damn, those graphics are just so increadibly amazing. Would you terribly mind posting some closeups of the complete sections fore and aft of the bindings?

Sorry, just saw this and they're already out of my hands! The graphics are awesome and the setup was pretty fun. Bummed I never jived with the Jeffs as much as I do with more directional skis...

[Joey311]

damn, those graphics are just so increadibly amazing. Would you terribly mind posting some closeups of the complete sections fore and aft of the bindings?

Here are a few pics.

[kid-kapow]

Here are a few pics.

Holy toledo! I know I should not be overly focused on "just" the graphics, but man those are sensational.

Thanks!

[Marko888]

2022 187 Billy Goat 118’s with 2021 Billy Goat Tour top sheet. 4 days on them…

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...7213122827155/

$850 Cdn is like $620 USD!

[Hood26]

Loving my 118 BGs in soft snow.

Any recommendations on tuning to make them a little better on the sketchy runouts?

Factory 1 and 1 angles or 2 and 1?

How sharp under foot? De-tune all rocker area or maybe a little more even?

[tuco]

Well, trigger pulled. Ordered new Jeffrey 118’s since they’re running the Spring deal of free custom bases (I love the SORRY! Of the eh ski? Bases) and free flex change (I like the softer flex, suits me better). Need to ping Tuco and see if he still wants the Caylors these will replace. Found a deal on some Armada blacked out SHT2 MNC 16 out of Euro and ordered those for these new sticks.

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Nice J!
Yep still WANT

[MHSP1497]

Nice J!
Yep still WANT

Sent you a text msg.

[adrenalated]

More tune issues. Look at this shit they are putting out there

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[SchralphMacchio]

Dude, having skied directly into sharp lava rocks here and knowing how tough these bases are … how are you still alive after that one? Hope you didn’t leave your ACL on the hill!!!

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[tuowtraws]

Anyone have opinions on the Woods 110 tour vs BGT 110? Emailed on3p and all they really said was that the woods is all mountain that can do well in soft snow, and bg is soft snow that can do well all mountain.

Posted a WTB in gear swap, but thinking about these for next year's midwinter touring skis. 90% of my tours are Snoqualmie Pass.

[kid-kapow]

...all they really said was that the woods is all mountain that can do well in soft snow, and bg is soft snow that can do well all mountain...

To be fair - that sentence sums it up pretty well.

If you want a more present/supportive/floatier (not stiffer, just has more volume) tail that finishes a turn more strongly across all types of snow, less angulation = unlock the looseness / more angulation more suportive and the ability to carve on hardpack -> WD110

If you want a looser tail that prefers to slash and slarve over carving, that some people might feel a bit washy in supersteeps, on a ski that provides lots of float from the front of the ski and that can pivot on a dime, but where you give up some had snow prowess due to the RES sidecut -> BG110

Both will ski soft snow better than any 110 ski ought to. Both can be driven through the front of the ski or pivoted from a more centered stance.

I have no idea what the snow is like in your location or how you prefer to ski, but my late BG108 184s were freaking magical in any kind of soft snow. I owned a pair of the current BG110 in regular layup as well, though I preferred 184 108s to 182 110s. WD110s are good in soft snow too, but I am not sure I would want the rounder flex of the tour layup (I have them in both regular and 50/50 layups) - though I prefer stiff skis.

[auvgeek]

Anyone have opinions on the Woods 110 tour vs BGT 110? Emailed on3p and all they really said was that the woods is all mountain that can do well in soft snow, and bg is soft snow that can do well all mountain.

Posted a WTB in gear swap, but thinking about these for next year's midwinter touring skis. 90% of my tours are Snoqualmie Pass.

I would get WD 110 tour and BGT 118… haha.

Keep in mind all 3 skis (WD110t, BGT 110, BGT118) have the same rocker profile.

Kid Kapow pretty much covered it, but the BGT is a pintail with a wide shovel and a rearward mount. The WD 110 has a more traditional sidecut with a moderate mount point. I dislike pin tailed skis on steep, firm snow so I prefer the WD 110tour for that. But the BG is a lot more fun in pow because the tail sinks in and the tips float. Not to mention RES magic.

The Woodsman is an incredibly moderate design. Moderate mount point, moderate sidecut, moderate stiffness. Nothing crazy. It doesn’t do any one thing particularly well. The magic lies in how well it does everything. For me, I want that in a touring ski because there might be a steep, firm entrance to a pow-filled couloir.

I didn’t have any regrets using the WDT110 as my only touring ski, but I did just buy a BGT118 because I don’t *love* the Woodsman 110 tour in deep perfect pow. In particular, everything I love about the tail on steep, firm snow is a hindrance in deep pow pillow lines, but that’s a very specific use case.

I’m not sure if this helps. I guess I would make the decision based on how much scary firm snow you ski vs just meadow skipping. The BGT110 will definitely be better in breakable crust and funky nastiness than the WDT110.

[grinch]

To me the woodsman would be better suited on hill and the bg touring. If im touring its pow unless im on a skinnier spring ski or a tour that might have a long approach. 110 is the sweet spot for a DD touring ski. I havent skied a woodsman but id be inclined to have my stock bg 116/118 and a 110 woodsman on hill and my bgt 110 for touring. Maybe a woodsman 102tour for my skinnier/lighter spring ski. My bgt 110 does everything i want exceptionally well

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[tuowtraws]

I would get WD 110 tour and BGT 118… haha.

This thought has definitely occurred to me as well...

[kid-kapow]

I am currently debating if I should mount both my wd102s and wd110s (both 50/50) with pins (some combination of Vario2s and ATK/DPS FR14s), or just the narrower woodsman. The plan is that the wd or wds will compliment a full on BGasym with pins, 102 for shallower touring, BGasym for big lines, and wd110s for... Not sure. Cast is also an option, but I am not sure I want to drag all that weight uphill - especially with the BGs (I have pre-asym BGs that I prefer to use in the resort).

And yes - to complicate things further, my main touring quiver consists of Völkl BMT94/109/122s with Vipecs, but they are not very fond of rocks... They are all freaking fantastic though.

I know - a tiny bit of overlap eh

[grinch]

Im not sure how the 50/50's are skiing but sometimes the shallower tours are not even shallow but more funk survival skiing. A nice day out where my weighty shorter steeple 102 pays dividends. The new tours are so much lighter and still fantastic in 3d snow but those steeples can get around funky tight variable conditions like nothing else.
I have casts on my asym bg's but theyre tanks. 1/2 day slackcountry along with inbounds laps or just purely inbounds is all ill use those for. Im curious on 50/50 reviews. I cant remember seeing many comparisons

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[auvgeek]

Keep in mind the new 50/50 is the same tour core with a thicker (standard) base. Something I didn’t fully appreciate is that the wider the ski, the higher the ratio of paulownia to bamboo, and the lower the “weight per surface area” ratio is.

[grinch]

Thats how i understood it. Im not sure what to think on that. I may want the extra weight to go to dampness. Especially if the base and edges on the 50/50 are as thick as the big players in the industry. The bases atleast already are more scratch/gouge resistant than the big players. I wonder what on3p's thoughts were on that option?

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[PeachesNCream]

Keep in mind the new 50/50 is the same tour core with a thicker (standard) base.

I'm kind of surprised they did it this way. I would of assumed a standard core with a tour base would result in better performance.

[grinch]

Should be ez to offer that option in the customs. Call them the 60/40 and the 40/60

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[Joey311]

I'm kind of surprised they did it this way. I would of assumed a standard core with a tour base would result in better performance.

I remember Scott saying they tried many options and found the only way to get the weight down to what would reasonably be considered a tour ski was to change the core composition.

[kid-kapow]

A 50/50 consisting of a regular core and thinner base/edge would "just" be an industry standard ski (outside of Faction, J-Skis and some others? who also offers wider edges/thicker bases). Most brands use thinner bases and edges for their touring lineups, while ON3P slims them down to what most other brands run for their resort skis.

For me the current 50/50 layup makes the most sense -> lower weight, while retaining most of the damp feeling of bamboo+extra thick bases + ON3P base indestructability (even if the pawlonia parts of the core is less dense so can take less abuse / direct impacts than the bamboo).

As for 50/50 vs regular construction - I have not skied my regular wd110s and wd110s back to back to any significant degree, but thus far the differences are as you'd expect -> very similar flex pattern, slightly more stability / damp ride from regular vs slightly lower swing weight with 50/50.

I always planned to use my 50/50 skis for touring over in the resort, so I went 50/50 over tour to get more of ON3P's legendary ability to shrug off ski killing blows for most other skis and the stiffer 50/50 flex pattern as compared to slightly softer tour layup. I would do the same over again, though I would probably have asked very nicely if they could have made me 50/50 version of a first year wd108 over a 50/50 wd110 (the wd110 flex pattern would have fit me better when I got my wd108s, and the 108 flex pattern fits me better now - oh the irony).

[phatty]

Has anyone done a 50/50 Jeffrey 118 for inbounds with some side country and smaller laps?