ON3P SKIS Discussion

[kid-kapow]

Gahhh I’m checking GS and Factory Finds page every day for 177 WD110s! Hah! Good luck with sale.

Anyone who is thinking about upsizing 177 WD110s to the 182s, hit me up first!

What is your weight/height again?

ON3P branded base bevel guide.

lol, shots fired! Made me laugh really loud

Haven't seen much in the way of 23/24 rumors for ON3P. Curious what they're cooking...

well, there is usually a two year cycle, so there could be a fair few tweaks - and new graphics!

A new CD has been talked about since last year. I would imagine it going back to being less BG shaped and even more pow specific.

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ON3P branded base bevel guide.

[SchralphMacchio]

What is your weight/height again?

5’ 8” 140 lbs … pre pandemic was 135 though, not sure if I’ll get back there again.

The 177 108s feel like a great length for me, sometimes on 2D snow I struggle with the balance point and feeling too forward but I think the updated flex pattern and mount point will address that. But yeah I’m hesitant to go 182 knowing that’s the real tip to tail length, especially with the tight ass steep trees we have at Willamette Pass.

I did reach out to ON3P about some of my issues on the gen 1 108s and they said, like you did, that the new ones should fix that. They said I could probably go either way on stock vs soft flex, stock for more charging and soft for more soft snow. New one actually is stiffer between tip and toe, softer behind heel, tail rocker shape refined, mount point moved back -1.25 cm … so more driveable but also more forgiving tail.

My thinking is see if I can find a used stock 177 and try that, then if I still want to go soft put in a custom summer order. I really like the ski and feel like I’m a few tweaks away from having it be my perfect every day PNW all terrain ski for not too garbage firm, not too ultra deep conditions.

[kid-kapow]

I would buy 182 wd110s if I were you. Just get some used ones, see if they are you jam and then get 177s during the custom sale if the used 182s did not suit you - and then sell the 182s off at little to no loss. #winning

WD110s' flex pattern / the ski is a lot more accesible than WD108. The tips do not feel stiff due to the softer tails. They also have very long rockered zones with a shit ton of splay, so I would recommend going up in length. Thee 182 is not a some burly playful charger like the wd108 was, but an accesible all mountain ski that should fit a lot more skiers - especially directional skiers.

As for mount point - my understanding is that these things mainly happen in the rockered zones, not within the camber. So the balance within the cambered section will be more similar than different, regardless of generation. Meaning, I would not overly sweat the mount point, especially on hard snow. I could be wrong, but the flex pattern changes matter a lot more than thee mount point difference.

[SchralphMacchio]

Thanks man, that is really helpful feedback! Not a bad idea at all.

On the mount point, I guess I wanted to add that I’m eager for the slightly more rearward mount because I was even toying with the idea of remounting my 108s -1.5. But yeah if I get some 182s I’ll have a good feel for how it all works out.

[ls13]

We're down to a 1/4 sandwich. Now or never.
The lint ball is up to medium/large though.

Do you use scented dry fabric softener sheets?

[kid-kapow]

On the mount point, I guess I wanted to add that I’m eager for the slightly more rearward mount because I was even toying with the idea of remounting my 108s -1.5. But yeah if I get some 182s I’ll have a good feel for how it all works out.

I remounted both my wd116s and wd108s to -1. WD116s were great there, while the 108s just turned meh. For me, 108s are def best on the line - in fact, I am in the process of remounting mine there and will do so tomorrow.

I've skied WD110s both on the line and at +1, and the line sounds like the ticket for you.

[Going Coastal]

Anybody have experience on the BG110 in both tour and stock layup? Have the stock layup and love how much control it has in heavy maritime snow, so Im wondering how much performance you actually lose by shaving weight outside of what I would expect to lose in chop.

I'm a pretty simple guy, so just getting the same ski I already like but saving 400g for touring is pretty intriguing.

[cocoapuff]

[MoeSnow]

Trying to put together the ideal 2-ski PNW backcountry quiver in my head. I think I'm going to be touring a lot more in the coming years.

I have a pair of J118s that I put CAST on that I enjoy for short little excursions, definitely too heavy for bigger days though. Also, the long tails give me problems when kick-turning.

I'm thinking that a 2-ski quiver of:

110 Billy Goats
low-tide skinny spring touring ski

is the way to go?

[RudyGarmisch]

Trying to put together the ideal 2-ski PNW backcountry quiver in my head. I think I'm going to be touring a lot more in the coming years.

I have a pair of J118s that I put CAST on that I enjoy for short little excursions, definitely too heavy for bigger days though. Also, the long tails give me problems when kick-turning.

I'm thinking that a 2-ski quiver of:

110 Billy Goats
low-tide skinny spring touring ski

is the way to go?

Woodsman 102 for the spring ski

[Backward_Banana]

Trying to put together the ideal 2-ski PNW backcountry quiver in my head. I think I'm going to be touring a lot more in the coming years.

I have a pair of J118s that I put CAST on that I enjoy for short little excursions, definitely too heavy for bigger days though. Also, the long tails give me problems when kick-turning.

I'm thinking that a 2-ski quiver of:

110 Billy Goats
low-tide skinny spring touring ski

is the way to go?

IMO go with the fat goats - if your touring for pow you want the right tool for the job, and lots of mid-winter touring days in the NW are <4000ft of vert. Spring ski in the ~100s and get a shape that doesnt suck in pow for the days you want to do lots of vert and still ski pow.

[Chunter]

^^ Giving my J118's their first go on Sunday. So excited and should even have a decent bit of fluff to enjoy them in. The top sheets are amazing in person.

[MoeSnow]

I think I should just hold onto the J118s with CAST since they double as my power-day setup in the resort and in the backcountry. They'll keep me in shape too, right?

Woodsman 102 for the spring ski

Spring ski in the ~100s and get a shape that doesnt suck in pow for the days you want to do lots of vert and still ski pow.

Considering some WD102 tours for the spring. The rocker profile will keep me happy in deeper stuff too, I think.

[MoeSnow]

^^ Giving my J118's their first go on Sunday. So excited and should even have a decent bit of fluff to enjoy them in. The top sheets are amazing in person.

Love mine, awesome skis. I wasn't very impressed by the top sheets until I saw them in person. Made me read up on the oxcart program, super cool bit of history.

[awh311]

I think I should just hold onto the J118s with CAST since they double as my power-day setup in the resort and in the backcountry. They'll keep me in shape too, right?

If you are planning to mostly tour that weight might get old kinda quick. Especially if your friends are zipping along on lighter kits. For a soft snow ski the full fat BG tour with some atk pin bindings would be my call. Cy Whitling did a pretty good write up in his Jeff 116 Tours. When I’m touring in soft snow I don’t really notice any downside to the light ski light binding combo. And having the legs for the extra laps on a powder day is a huge benefit. I’d bet if you go with the woods 102 tour they’ll end up seeing 95% of your touring days just because their easier on the up.

[kid-kapow]

Considering some WD102 tours for the spring. The rocker profile will keep me happy in deeper stuff too, I think.

I'm with Rudy - WD102s are great in hot pow, slush and corn - and in regular season soft snow too. I've only skied the 50/50 layup, but they are a lot of fun late season - I had one especially memorable day skiing them in those conditions last spring.

As for the wider ski, sure j118+cast will keep you in shape, but running very heavy gear is a good recipe for not going touring a lot too. If the effort > the reward or leaves you too tired to enjoy the down, then you'll stop doing it. Sure, j118+cast will tour just fine and ski very well indeed, but if you can bankroll it then a dedicated fatter touring ski + tech binding is going to make it a lot more enjoyable (especially for bbig missions / long days out) while still being plenty good on the down.

Like a custom stiffer j118tour (to have a more similar flex to the stock version) + tech bindings sounds just about perfect + wd102 + tech bindings (for instance ATK/Moment/Dps FR14s with the toe spacer + freeride spacer).

I wasn't very impressed by the top sheets until I saw them in person.

Man, I love the current J110 and J118 graphics, especially the latter which seems like one of ON3P's best graphics ever imho. I would love to see both in person, hell - I would love to try both those skis.

[MoeSnow]

You guys are not very good influences on my wallet... but you're also giving pretty good advice haha

I think I'm gonna roll with a Billy Goat 118 tour over a Jeffrey 118 tour, just because the long tails are kind of annoying to deal with on the skin track. I'll shell out my $ when the website restocks in my size.

Are we due for another refresh in the layups/top sheets/etc this year? Maybe I should be patient...

[grinch]

For a dd fat touring ski i like the 110. 116/118 can be a pain on sidehill skintracks. Ive had light 116's and they work a lot of the time but some days its a struggle. Like climbing southfaces before dropping into deep north faces.I went with a bg 110 tour for this reason. Glad i did. Its very versatile. I really have to need my spring ski to not bring my bgt 110. I feel bad having my 102 steeple sit unused

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[beeeom]

Moar goat stoke!

[Norseman]

hot skiing, beeeom!

[CascadeLuke]

Reunited with a lost love. 2 years ago I sent these boards off in an effort to consolidate. Ltd 189 Asym BGv. Been loving the 187 BG110s but missed the regular girl - for those occasional knee deep type days..
After a couple months of working on the stranger I sold em to, he agreed to sell. Hats off to a true gent 🤙🏼
Today was ecstasy

[lrn2swim]

Today was ecstasy

Troof

[ApexSkua]

Got my 189 Asyms out in 6 inches of soft chop at Alpy yesterday. Finally got the hype. Absolute cruise missiles but can still shut them down easily. Need to work on my slarving technique lol

[lrn2swim]

Btw, these things are incredible in pow, chop, etc, but on groomers the tips of the downhill ski tend to want to grab or hook uphill. Heavily detuning helped but it's still happening. I'm assuming this is likely the now famous base bevel issue?