ON3P SKIS Discussion

[mfa81]

Some Billy stoke

sweet combo!

[gepmeow]

Hey @PowTron ! What kind of demo bindings are you folks using this year? Can I squeeze a WTR boot into them if I sign a waver (Lange XT-130 Freetour)?

I see a Steeple 108 in my future.

Thanks,
Thom

The demo pair of Steeple 108 which I tried last season had G3 Ion demo bindings

[galibier_numero_un]

The demo pair of Steeple 108 which I tried last season had G3 Ion demo bindings

Thanks, between the AAAtacks and the Ions, it sounds as if I'm covered.

I didn't realize that the AAAtacks had a height adjustable AFD.

I expected to see a slow move to embrace a WTR "standard" and it looks as if it's happening sooner rather than later.

My boot guy says there's a big push from rental operations (for WTR) - gapers walking on plastic soles and falling on their butts in the parking lot ... not that it's ever happened to me ;-)

Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

... Thom

[N1CK.]

I scored a minty pair of last year's BG. After demoing I knew I wanted 'em.

I was going to mount with sth2 but that didn't jive with previous tele mount. The warden toe spacing worked so I pulled a pair off other skis.

(Bnib sth2 13s for sale/trade)

[mr_pretzel]

Also anyone have any 186 viciks they want to sell me?

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[ScrewYou]

So quick update for those of you who already saw the 193 BG prototypes...

They are not a pro model and also not available yet. Friflyt posted something that was passed on from our Norwegian distributor and should not have been at this time.

Also the first time anyone has gotten to see that green topsheet in the finished state.

All I will say is that it is a 193cm, VERY stiff ski with some updates from any BG ever made.

If it does become available to the public it will be direct from factory only and in extremely limited quantities.

Glad people like the peek at it, but just wanted to clarify some stuff on that

Great... why cant big guy chargers ever get a ski from you guys? Youre just downsizing everything and leaving out all the stiff skis. Then you come out with this beast, and its just for him??? I think im done for a while..

Peace out.

[Lindahl]

Great... why cant big guy chargers ever get a ski from you guys? Youre just downsizing everything and leaving out all the stiff skis. Then you come out with this beast, and its just for him??? I think im done for a while..

Peace out.

[nyskirat]

He just sold his whole quiver too because he needs the funds.

But now he's complaining about skis he likely can't afford at the current time.

[Sessiøn]

Great... why cant big guy chargers ever get a ski from you guys? Youre just downsizing everything and leaving out all the stiff skis. Then you come out with this beast, and its just for him??? I think im done for a while..

Peace out.

A company has never made a special ski for a team member.....ever. You are wise to move on.

[auvgeek]

The thing I don't really understand is that the expensive part is the molds—once ON3P creates them, it shouldn't be too hard for them to press a few more pair for those interested in buying the ski, right? Or am I confused?

[galibier_numero_un]

The thing I don't really understand is that the expensive part is the molds—once ON3P creates them, it shouldn't be too hard for them to press a few more pair for those interested in buying the ski, right? Or am I confused?

Like any manufacturing process, interrupting a production flow involves setup time and this costs a company time and money. I realize this may sound trivial, but it's not.

Picture yourself performing a complex task, and someone interrupting your train of thought to have you tackle another task. The effect of the interruption is orders of magnitude greater than the time spent on the interruption.

If you're talking about building an extra pair or ten for inventory (while the setup is "active"), then the considerations are purely financial: is there enough predicted demand to carry the items in inventory - that sort of thing.

... Thom

[zartagen]

Great... why cant big guy chargers ever get a ski from you guys? Youre just downsizing everything and leaving out all the stiff skis. Then you come out with this beast, and its just for him??? I think im done for a while..

Peace out.

Bye bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass

[Sessiøn]

The thing I don't really understand is that the expensive part is the molds—once ON3P creates them, it shouldn't be too hard for them to press a few more pair for those interested in buying the ski, right? Or am I confused?

Those interested generally have to put their money where their mouth is to make it worth while. If that were the case then they would be making full production runs. There are custom options, and I believe Scott has said many times that just about anything is possible. For a price.

[auvgeek]

Like any manufacturing process, interrupting a production flow involves setup time and this costs a company time and money. I realize this may sound trivial, but it's not.

Picture yourself performing a complex task, and someone interrupting your train of thought to have you tackle another task. The effect of the interruption is orders of magnitude greater than the time spent on the interruption.

If you're talking about building an extra pair or ten for inventory (while the setup is "active"), then the considerations are purely financial: is there enough predicted demand to carry the items in inventory - that sort of thing.

... Thom

Right, but I'm saying they could easily do a "pre-sale" if they already have the molds. I mean, their woodgrain topsheets are incredibly labor-intensive—I highly doubt the cost justifies the amount of labor that goes into each one, but they still make them because ON3P loves what they do.

There are custom options, and I believe Scott has said many times that just about anything is possible. For a price.

I hear you, but paying extra for the prototyping and the molds is beyond what many people are willing to spend. If they already have the molds, it would make sense to me that they'd be available for not much more than any other of their custom skis, provided you're willing to wait for a time that it's convenient for ON3P to actually build them.

Just sayin'.

[jackattack]

Great... why cant big guy chargers ever get a ski from you guys? Youre just downsizing everything and leaving out all the stiff skis. Then you come out with this beast, and its just for him??? I think im done for a while..

Peace out.

STFU JONG

I think it's time you provide some empirical evidence of stated charging ability. I personally think you're full of shit. (Not in this thread, you've already cunted it up enough with your whining.)

Side note...
When you sell gear to a mag "minty fresh" means not a scratch -- not on the bases, not on the topsheet, indistinguishable from new (minus, presumably one set of holes.) So, eat a bag of dicks on the Steeples you sold me last Spring.
...carry on.

[galibier_numero_un]

Right, but I'm saying they could easily do a "pre-sale" if they already have the molds. I mean, their woodgrain topsheets are incredibly labor-intensive—I highly doubt the cost justifies the amount of labor that goes into each one, but they still make them because ON3P loves what they do.

It's probably not worth the effort for them. It's hard to say. My sense is that their volume is quite a bit higher than Praxis (for example), so they may not have as much flexibility.

I think these things have a way of cascading out of control, and as always, it becomes a question of how you want to allocate your resources.

... Thom

[auvgeek]

Fair point.

I'm just stoked ON3P is still around to make awesome skis, and that doesn't seem like it'll cease to happen anytime soon.

[galibier_numero_un]

These are good times (as far as gear choices) ;-)

... Thom

[Gman]

This topic has been beat like a dead horse. It's been stated many times that if you want something On3p doesn't offer, organize a group buy or pay the premium for them to make it. Whining about not being able to get what you want while showing no initiative to make it happen is just tiring.

[TahoeJ]

Way too much bitching in this thread about an indie ski company that makes killer skis and have proven to go out of their way to hook people up with custom requests.

I bet if you put a group buy together for that 193 custom BG and got enough people to commit they'd be happy to find a slot in the production schedule at some point down the line. Why not try that instead of just whining?

[iggyskier]

Great... why cant big guy chargers ever get a ski from you guys? Youre just downsizing everything and leaving out all the stiff skis. Then you come out with this beast, and its just for him??? I think im done for a while..

Peace out.

This is an untested ski in a brand new mold (sort of a BG/Wren hybrid). Let's hold off on the woe is me attitude. The ski might suck. We'll try it out, see what needs to be tweaked, ski it again, see what needs to be tweaked, ski it again....and if it is good decide to bring it to market. If you want to be the one testing prototype freeride skis, go out and win some WFT events. In the meantime, I think we should hold off on taking preorders on a ski that hasn't even been skied yet.

The thing I don't really understand is that the expensive part is the molds—once ON3P creates them, it shouldn't be too hard for them to press a few more pair for those interested in buying the ski, right? Or am I confused?

You aren't confused. We built the mold. Read into that how you may.

Right, but I'm saying they could easily do a "pre-sale" if they already have the molds. I mean, their woodgrain topsheets are incredibly labor-intensive—I highly doubt the cost justifies the amount of labor that goes into each one, but they still make them because ON3P loves what they do.

I hear you, but paying extra for the prototyping and the molds is beyond what many people are willing to spend. If they already have the molds, it would make sense to me that they'd be available for not much more than any other of their custom skis, provided you're willing to wait for a time that it's convenient for ON3P to actually build them.

Just sayin'.

Wood Veneers definitely cost more than we charge, but are good marketing and we love keeping that option alive (as most here know, I am a huge Igneous fan).

Like any manufacturing process, interrupting a production flow involves setup time and this costs a company time and money. I realize this may sound trivial, but it's not.

It isn't just the cost of the mold. It is the cost of the time I am pulling from building other skis. We can build a lot of skis in the time it takes to design and build a mold and then swap a mold in and out. So on low volume skis, we are starting considerably behind on the financial end.

We obviously aren't in this for the money, as it pays shit, but there are financial decisions we have to make to ensure we do the best thing for the company.

[TahoeJ]

BG / Wren hybrid sounds very interesting! Good luck with the experimenting...

[undertow2]

These are good times (as far as gear choices) ;-)

... Thom

Well said and I could not agree with this more... Between ON3P and another indie all of mys ski needs are met and than some...

[Bruce Springskiin]

Wood veneers are good marketing. I get more comments on those on the lift than any of the other skis. Always share who you all are and how much I am digging the skis.
On the other hand The "thanks Obama" top sheets in Canada not as many comments, more "what are you doing up here?"
I appreciate the customer service over the past few years. Really looking forward to the Steeple 108s on the way.

[XavierD]

Great... why cant big guy chargers ever get a ski from you guys? Youre just downsizing everything and leaving out all the stiff skis. Then you come out with this beast, and its just for him??? I think im done for a while..

Peace out.

Put your money where your mouth is:
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