ON3P SKIS Discussion

[ScrewYou]

Stoked on custom options

[tss4420]

Anyone have their kids on a pair of Charlie Murphys? Working on gettting my 10 year old on a pair of 141's.

[uglymoney]

^Brand new model. I am looking forward to reviews as well and they need a girly version.

Just ordered some of last year's Wren 102's for my growing stepson. The wife will take over his 161 Viciks.

Looking forward to more reviews of the all the new Wrens for myself...98 in particular. I want to stay off anything wider this winter to make sure my knee mends.

[TexasGortex]

I know most ON3P do not, but the Steeple 112 don't happen to ski short do they?

I think my wife would *really* like Billy Goats. I've never been on a ski I thought was better tailored towards her style/preferences. I dropped the ball on ordering 164cm when they were available (sorry!). I might be able to get a custom pair if the mold still exists, but won't find out until mid season. In the meantime I've seen seen some 174cm Steeple 112s for pretty cheap. My gut says too big, but I've never been on them. I'm also tall so I don't have much experience skiing skis over my head in the modern era.

5'3"/160cm 120lbs
Aggressive, strong, center stance, lacking traditional race form (self taught)
Would be replacing her "powder" skis
60/40 inbounds/touring
Everyday skis are 171cm Kartel 98s. Longest ski she has ever owned, but she hasn't used anything else since getting them.

[jvskinn]

I know most ON3P do not, but the Steeple 112 don't happen to ski short do they?

I think my wife would *really* like Billy Goats. I've never been on a ski I thought was better tailored towards her style/preferences. I dropped the ball on ordering 164cm when they were available (sorry!). I might be able to get a custom pair if the mold still exists, but won't find out until mid season. In the meantime I've seen seen some 174cm Steeple 112s for pretty cheap. My gut says too big, but I've never been on them. I'm also tall so I don't have much experience skiing skis over my head in the modern era.

5'2" 120lbs
Aggressive, strong, center stance, lacking traditional race form (self taught)
Would be replacing her "powder" skis
60/40 inbounds/touring
Everyday skis are 171cm Kartel 98s. Longest ski she has ever owned, but she hasn't used anything else since getting them.

In my brief experience with steeples and BG's, they are definitely maneuverable and easy to ski once you get a little used to them. I think if she's on 171 Kartels, 174 Steeples should be no problem for her, the only thing is you have to get used to seeing more ski in front of your foot (the Kartel being a little more center mounted, and the BG shape being further back). Once you get over the weird visual, and get a feel for the ski, they're great. I normally ski a 181 Jeffrey, and when I got on the 184 BG, my first reaction was "wow, this ski could almost replace the Jeffrey as a Daily Driver."

However, if she loves the Kartel so much, and you want to get her a powder ski, have you considered the Jessie 108 or Kartel 116? Similar shape to a ski she likes, but more powder oriented?

[TexasGortex]

Thanks for input. How tall are you?

She demo'd the Jessies and didn't like them, especially the widest one (which I think would be closest to the Kartel 116), but ended up loving and buying the Kartel 98.

They didn't have any goats in her size but I took a pair out and think they would be a really good fit for the way she likes to ski.

I may have taught her how to ski but we have very different tastes in gear. I want a Kartel 116 more than anything else in their lineup and she hates my daily drivers (Kästle XX). Her daily drivers don't exactly click for me either.

[jvskinn]

I'm 5'8"

[TexasGortex]

That's pretty close to the same height/length difference she is looking at. Thanks!

[PowTron]

Anyone have their kids on a pair of Charlie Murphys? Working on gettting my 10 year old on a pair of 141's.

Just saw your message..sorry for the delay as I've been on my bike pretty much every chance I can get the last few weeks.

There are no Charlie Murphy's out there yet as others have mentioned. I can tell you that it is basically a mini-Kartel with a slightly tighter radius but still built exactly like our adult skis. Strong, durable, and doesn't take any shit

I will also be putting my 10 year old on a pair this season so great minds think alike!

Email me if you have any other questions on the Charlie Murphy (or those Wren 88's I know you are thinking about). Jay@on3pskis.com

[PowTron]

^Brand new model. I am looking forward to reviews as well and they need a girly version.

Just ordered some of last year's Wren 102's for my growing stepson. The wife will take over his 161 Viciks.

Looking forward to more reviews of the all the new Wrens for myself...98 in particular. I want to stay off anything wider this winter to make sure my knee mends.

Girly graphic and variation is in development for 17/18. My daughter will not let me forget about the need for it.

[PowTron]

Reviews are great and we love it when people honestly review our skis...but I can promise all of you that ON3P will be doing more demos than ever before starting this season so many of you will get to try exactly what you want.

You CAN always just trust your gut, however and buy them now, too. We won't get angry.

[PowTron]

Stoked on custom options

So am I. We already get the requests to make things softer, stiffer, lighter, and prettier...now it can be done by our customers with all options laid out.

And not that cosmetic beauty should matter this much, but the Green sidewalls....drool.

[retirwntm]

So it won't be weird when I just keep asking to make them prettier? I am tho thoked!

[ScrewYou]

Can you guys make me skis with glitter topsheets and recycled whalebone scrimshaw bases?

[optics]

hey powtron, I emailed you a few questions.


And add me to the list of buyers for a girl's charlie murphy variant, especially if you go to a 13x for starting size.

[PowTron]

hey powtron, I emailed you a few questions.


And add me to the list of buyers for a girl's charlie murphy variant, especially if you go to a 13x for starting size.

May not be to 13X sizes this season, but perhaps the following. Let me know if I answered your questions via email and if not just hit me up again and email smack me.

[optics]

May not be to 13X sizes this season, but perhaps the following. Let me know if I answered your questions via email and if not just hit me up again and email smack me.

You did - very helpful and very painful in terms of upcoming wallet extraction.

My 8-year old's ready to help with graphics ideas for the girl-version-CM for 17/18, fyi. She's pretty badass, you might want to take her up on it.

[neck beard]

My BGs have been my workhorse this season in NZ. I've skied heaps of long alpine lines. Pow, wind effect, creamy, some very mellow terrain, some corn, some crusts, even crossed some tracks. It is ski worth skiing, and a keeper. I'm yet to ski them in deep pow and trees, and unfortunately probably won't unless I get a custom tour version as my Japan workhorse. But before that, I'll research a 98 or 108 Steeple in standard layup, or a 98 Wren, for my narrow NZ workhorse to compliment the BG.

There they are...

[ScrewYou]

Sick pic. I can't wait to ski my BGs this season!

[neck beard]

I can't wait to ski my BGs this season!

Powerful, easy skiing but still eats things up, they truck and are super smooth at speed, not too wide, camber energy but still slarves like a boat. Likes some tip pressure and doesn't require a perfectly composed neutral stance over a tiny sweet spot. It's a narrow Protest.

[ghosthop]

It's a narrow Protest.

High Praise. Anyone have time on both a BG and Protest or more appropriate the C&D and protest? Curious about thoughts comparing them on deep lift served days.

[ScrewYou]

Only have about two runs on the C&D, so take with a HUGE grain of salt. Also, I'm comparing 193 C&D to 187 Protest.

Protest is more playful and pivoty. C&D wants to be driven harder and arc bigger turns. C&D floats better. Protest likes a more centered stance than C&D, which wants you to be more forward. No time on hard snow on either ski. Overall C&D has more rage and Protest has more play.

Adrenalated answered that for me a few pages back.

I just got last years 193 C&D, they seem like a wider, Billy goat with a boatload more tip rocker and no camber. They aren't super heavy either, or at least not as heavy as I thought they'd be. Post 2015, they come with the tour layup as standard.

What's pretty cool is that you can customize the new 191 C&D with the regular layup..for those AK skiers that is.

[neck beard]

High Praise.

I think it is the pinny kind of tail and a fore ski with a set-back wide point, big radius and some camber that makes them similar. Perhaps more so when you mount the Protest back from the line. My P's were moved 1.5cm back from memory, and they became more of a shin-ski, yet still with a little arch-love getting results, like the BG feels (to me).

I have not skied the BG in deep storm snow, but I'd guess the Protest skis that with more float and pivot, because it is much wider.

I have skied both the protest and BG in boot pow, thin pow, dense 3d, chalks, thin variable etc. I prefer the BG as it gives enough of a wide ski advantage in that kind of 3d, and fewer of the even wider ski disadvantages that the Protest has. I always maintained that the Protest is a pure pow ski. The BG is more versatile away from pow. Neither are good on hard groomer kinds of snow or ice.

[sf]

I think it is the pinny kind of tail and a fore ski with a set-back wide point, big radius and some camber that makes them similar. Perhaps more so when you mount the Protest back from the line. My P's were moved 1.5cm back from memory, and they became more of a shin-ski, yet still with a little arch-love getting results, like the BG feels (to me).

I have not skied the BG in deep storm snow, but I'd guess the Protest skis that with more float and pivot, because it is much wider.

I have skied both the protest and BG in boot pow, thin pow, dense 3d, chalks, thin variable etc. I prefer the BG as it gives enough of a wide ski advantage in that kind of 3d, and fewer of the even wider ski disadvantages that the Protest has. I always maintained that the Protest is a pure pow ski. The BG is more versatile away from pow. Neither are good on hard groomer kinds of snow or ice.

I skied the 186 BG for about 10-15 days last year, and 187 protests for 4 or 5 days. BGs mounted on the line, protests at -1. I skied them back to back on a day with super heavy, deep cement, and the protests kept diving, while the bg floated like a champ.
I've also felt like the protests were diving/acting unpredictable in lighter snow and/or easy tracked out.
All in all I'm not that impressed by the Protest, while the BG is on my top 3 list.
It might be that I should have bought the Protest in 192

[ScrewYou]

First and foremost, the Billy Goats are my favorite skis. I own the last year of the 191s. I do not love them for their untouched snow performance though..

May get flamed for this, but.. I don't think the Billy Goats float as well as they're hyped up too, which is funny because I find all on3ps to float exceptionally well for their waist widths. All except the BG. They definitely are good for that, but they are not the best. I feel that they are more of a chunky, choppy 3D snow ski, and they are a little heavy for light & dry. They do the job, but more of a West Coast Resort Powder Charger, than an untouched snow ski IMO. If it's upside down snow, or super heavy untouched, than they are great, but the lighter and drier the snow gets, the less they excel. The steeple 112 floats better than the BG in cold smoke, significantly, and On3ps tour layup straight up kills it in pow.

To be honest though, I feel a little forward on the Billy Goat. I'm on the recommended mark, and didn't want to mess with that, which is probably why they're so good in bumps, trees, and tight spots for its size/weight.. However I'd like to throw a pair of marker schizos on them and test different spots.

I'm over 200lbs and in this category I found the 196 moment governor and 189 k2 obsetheds to float better. Thinner skis that float better are steeple 112s, and 4frnt Hoji. I just love the feel of the Billy Goat though, and bought the Cease and Desist for better floatation.