Trolling Vegan Facebook group

[AK47bp]

It's merely an attention seeking fad, just like deciding to be gay or "trans gendered." Veganism is nothing more than another empty hobby to brag about in the whole foods line, right along with crossfit, trekking poles and running marathons.

Don't forget the racism

#nolivesmatter

[utagonian]

A lot of people believe we are reaching "peak population" where world population will begin to decline.

The main indicator or fertility among women is education, not religion or resources. The more educated women are, the fewer kids they have, worldwide. And the world has gotten dramatically more educated and wealthier in recent years. Fertility is highest among the starving where children are seen as an old-age pension.

Fertility is also highest in countries that have little economic freedom and little respect for the rule of law. The only reliable institution in these places is the family so might as well have a big one.

Trends toward education and affluence mean the population growth should slow but if it does not, it will be ok.

[old goat]

No worries-by 2100 the human population is predicted to be 150 million, all living above the arctic circle.

Uhh where are you getting this information?


The UN high estimate is 16 billion low is 6 billion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

I got it from a properly credentialed but probably crackpot scientist whose name I can't remember and I can't find the reference, so take it for what it's worth. Still, one can hope it's true.

in the 70s there were many scare "science" articles saying in 30 years we would be more than fucked....


look it up.

Old Goat's generation has heard it all before........

Future generations are always to be considered, but people take many different paths to get hat level of higher consciousness.

It's been going on a lot longer than my generation--at least since the end of the 18th Century when Malthus predicted that the rising population would eventually be unable to sustain itself. Time and again technology has forestalled the disaster--will it continue to do so indefinitely or will we reach a point where it no longer can? Who knows? I am very confident however that the human species will not last as long as the dinosaurs (about 40 million years).

[stfu&gbtw]

This just in...





















WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iceman]

I am very confident however that the human species will not last as long as the dinosaurs (about 40 million years).

Hard to know.

[DasBlunt]

It's merely an attention seeking fad, just like deciding to be gay or "trans gendered." Veganism is nothing more than another empty hobby to brag about in the whole foods line, right along with crossfit, trekking poles and running marathons.

Why the fuck would you care what someone else eats? Unless it's someone you love. God dascunt really is das cunt.

Dude, Vegans believe no one should eat any animal produced food or clothes. Honey too. I don't care, I think some of their answers are Jay Leno worthy.

[NmbrdDays]

As by Webster

veg·an
\ˈvē-gən also ˈvā- also ˈve-jən or -ˌjan\
noun
: a person who does not eat any food that comes from animals and who often also does not use animal products (such as leather)

: native word for bad hunter


Fuck them! More bacon and steak for me!!!!!!!'

[berko]

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Dude, Vegans believe no one should eat any animal produced food or clothes. Honey too. I don't care, I think some of their answers are Jay Leno worthy.

So are you saying that comically misinformed and sanctimonious is a bad thing?

[Ottime]

Not exactly true. Because of improved technology and farming methods we produce more food now than ever before in history and we use less land to do it.

Also just look at the instances of famine and how it is much less common in today's world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines

Also keep in mind that most of the world lags way behind in applying modern farming techniques that would drastically improve yields (U.S. Farms yield 10 times more per acre than African farms)... So in reality 7 billion is very much sustainable- the worry is feeding the 9.6 billion in 2050 coupled with increased warming.

But the industrial farming method used in the US has been destroying our soils since before the dust bowl. It is hard to believe that the technologies will stay ahead of dead ground. Not to mention the phosphates clogging our waterways. Sure, we can crank out a crop, but do you really think this method is sustainable for even the next century?

Despite this thread being about Das cunt being some sort of toll, there are some good points in here. And there is also a whole lot of that typical TGR assumption making portrayed as researched fact.

How and what we eat is a whole lot more important than if you are a vegan or not. Eating locally produced foods is perhaps the single biggest thing that you can do to lower your food CF. That would basically not allow for processed foods in almost every case, so no need to mention those as the second thing to be done. Going organic gets second place then. And third would to be to avoid the industrial organic producers, such as Persue Organic. As while these operations are technically following organic production rules, they tend to create a lot of waste to maintain profit levels. Not to mention their carbon use.

[Ottime]

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So are you saying that comically misinformed and sanctimonious is a bad thing?

That funnez

[Tippster]

How and what we eat is a whole lot more important than if you are a vegan or not. Eating locally produced foods is perhaps the single biggest thing that you can do to lower your food CF. That would basically not allow for processed foods in almost every case, so no need to mention those as the second thing to be done. Going organic gets second place then. And third would to be to avoid the industrial organic producers, such as Persue Organic. As while these operations are technically following organic production rules, they tend to create a lot of waste to maintain profit levels. Not to mention their carbon use.

24,000,000 people live in the NYC Metropolitan area. How do you expect them to "eat locally?"

[Game Over]

But the industrial farming method used in the US has been destroying our soils since before the dust bowl. It is hard to believe that the technologies will stay ahead of dead ground. Not to mention the phosphates clogging our waterways. Sure, we can crank out a crop, but do you really think this method is sustainable for even the next century?

Despite this thread being about Das cunt being some sort of toll, there are some good points in here. And there is also a whole lot of that typical TGR assumption making portrayed as researched fact.

How and what we eat is a whole lot more important than if you are a vegan or not. Eating locally produced foods is perhaps the single biggest thing that you can do to lower your food CF. That would basically not allow for processed foods in almost every case, so no need to mention those as the second thing to be done. Going organic gets second place then. And third would to be to avoid the industrial organic producers, such as Persue Organic. As while these operations are technically following organic production rules, they tend to create a lot of waste to maintain profit levels. Not to mention their carbon use.

I am a organic farmer. We sell a majority of what we grow locally. Now with that in mind I have to say this post is false and full of baseless information.

First and foremost organic is not a efficient system. It uses archaic methods that require more inputs and generally yields 20-50% less than conventional. That means we have to farm more land to produce the same amount. Cutting trees and filling wetlands...

http://www.science20.com/agricultura...ay_farm-110209

And like you said industrial agriculture can still be local and organic. In fact more organic farms (10%) are owned by corporations than conventional (3%).

And second-- the "eating local reduces footprint" mantra has been debunked over and over. In reality it is so inefficient that eating local increases the CF quite a bit.

http://freakonomics.com/2011/11/14/t...of-local-food/

Like I said I am a organic farmer who relies on selling local. This reality is not good for my conscience as many people who buy from me think they are doing the world a favor by buying overpriced food. But in reality eating local organic has no benefits other than knowing exactly where your food was grown and by whom.

[Game Over]

24,000,000 people live in the NYC Metropolitan area. How do you expect them to "eat locally?"

Just saw Ted Koppel in a interview last week. He has been looking into exactly this and said the STATE of NY would run out of food in two days in a major power outage.

[DBdude]

Just saw Ted Koppel in a interview last week. He has been looking into exactly this and said the STATE of NY would run out of food in two days in a major power outage.

charlie rose? saw that

[Game Over]

charlie rose? saw that

Yup

[utagonian]

"...But implicit in the argument that local farming is better for the environment than industrial agriculture is an assumption that a “relocalized” food system can be just as efficient as today’s modern farming. That assumption is simply wrong. Today’s high crop yields and low costs reflect gains from specialization and trade, as well as scale and scope economies that would be forsaken under the food system that locavores endorse...Forsaking comparative advantage in agriculture by localizing means it will take more inputs to grow a given quantity of food, including more land and more chemicals—all of which come at a cost of carbon emissions...In order to maintain current output levels for 40 major field crops and vegetables, a locavore-like production system would require an additional 60 million acres of cropland, 2.7 million tons more fertilizer, and 50 million pounds more chemicals. The land-use changes and increases in demand for carbon-intensive inputs would have profound impacts on the carbon footprint of our food, destroy habitat and worsen environmental pollution..."

http://freakonomics.com/2011/11/14/t...of-local-food/

[Game Over]

^^lol I just posted that piece several posts back^^

[Game Over]

The thing is people like myself want to farm - I don't give a fuck about growing the most efficient crop--> I care about not having a 9-5. I grow what pays.

OTOH many people like to drive into the country and buy food or wine. I simply fill this need and it works for me. More or less Im providing a product for the elite who can afford it.

[iceman]

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Pass the brie please.

[Game Over]

And I don't think anybody in this thread is denigrating that.

However, the current large scale patterns of food consumption in the USA are no more sustainable than would be a purely "local" diet, if they were expanded to other populations. The fact is that a meat-based diet has a large ecological footprint. It doesn't mean that other diets could not, potentially, be just as bad. It just means we could probably all do better. But when some folks try to do better (even if they are misguided, at least they are trying), they get trolled by assholes like dascunt.

We're still deforesting the amazon, in large part to raise meat and drugs. That's going to bite us in the ass, and is actually already doing so. So, every person who chooses not to eat meat, is a tree saved. Every hippy who finds a way to wear hemp rather than leather, is one more tree tying up carbon. And if that hippy is dumb enough to eat tofurkey, well, hell, at least I don't have to eat that crap, so he can do what he wants.

Well it's not all bad-> The soy that was processed into tofu created a lot of soy meal byproduct that without cattle would go to waste. Corn from ethanol, whey from cheese... The list is endless. We simply create a lot of food waste that animals eat and produce food from. To nix them compleat would be inefficient.

[Bobcat Sig]

This just in: how do you know if someone is a vegan?









Don't worry, they'll tell you.


Ok, I'll see myself out.

[utagonian]

Where per capita GDP exceeds $4600 per year, the forest area of that country is stable or growing.

[DougW]

I am a organic farmer.....

Like I said I am a organic farmer who relies on selling local. This reality is not good for my conscience as many people who buy from me think they are doing the world a favor by buying overpriced food. But in reality eating local organic has no benefits other than knowing exactly where your food was grown and by whom.

ssssshhhhhhhhh!!!! we haven't sold all our quarters for this fall yet!

But yes and no. We are told by our customers that our meat is way better than store bought. Though that could be the butcher hanging time or that they are lightly grained who knows. We buy organic grain mix which I don't think does a thing but its part of the market. Though it hurt this year when a griz ate a couple hundred pounds.

[Big Snowballs]

Why the fuck would you care what someone else eats? Unless it's someone you love. God dascunt really is das cunt.

Cannibals prefer Vegans
its good to know this when flying over the Andes

[PB]

.... I am very confident however that the human species will not last as long as the dinosaurs (about 40 million years).

Apples and kumquats: can't compare the staying power of one species vs tens of thousands.

.... and then there's the whole quality vs quantity thing.