I'm gonna flat out say that Yetimang has more experience of what goes down on Reservations than any SJW on here, and that includes you, TriU.
It may sound harsh or callous to hear someone not lauding the Noble Native American at every fucking opportunity, but a lot of that stereotype is based on reality.
I spent some quality time on the Pine Ridge and other Reservations. The tribal leaders will be the first to tell you that it's not "all the White Man's fault" why the crime rate is sky high and the labor participation is laughable. Why work when you can pull Unemployment. medicaid, and still get a stipend if your tribe makes money off resources or gambling (which by law has to be shared within the tribe.)
No different than the folks in AK trying to eke a living off the Oil stipend, and yes there are a shitload of them. No different, if you listen to African American community leaders, to what's going on in many inner cities in the US.
Why the fuck are you going off on a guy who has very first hand experience and is sharing it? He didn't claim ALL are this way, nor even that a majority are, just that it's what he experienced. NOBODY is in a position to tell him he is wrong, since we weren't there. For you to claim it's just racism is fucking ridiculous, and I know you're smarter than that.
Zone Controller
"He wants to be a pro, bro, not some schmuck." - Hugh Conway
"DigitalDeath would kick my ass. He has the reach of a polar bear." - Crass3000
Pretty sure he had no stance on the OP. I'm not 100% sure I do either. Then again I'm a Redskins fan, so probably not germane to that discussion. I'll simply not buy Tomahawk's product like I didn't buy any other company's shit that I don't care about.
I think you would be wrong on #2, but that's just my opinion. I met, hung out, and even skied with Yeti on several occasions. He was a seemingly good guy who made me laugh. I don't do background checks and hold people accountable for my reading of their internet posts. Some posters on here who know him far better than I do hold him in high regard, others do not, but those reasons are their own. Perhaps TriU is one of them.
I do know that if you spend any time on Reservations at all (or in Ghettos) you come away frustrated with the status quo but it's still reality. It's really easy to sit behind a keyboard and say "the only reason you feel that way is because you're a racist white fuck whose fault this is in the first place." That's the epitome of bullshit IMHO.
This Reservations are shitty places banter is all well and good, but can we all admit that it's at least a little strange, if not disrespectful for some seemingly white guys (I don't know their background) to appropriate a bunch of Native American symbols, call themselves a "tribe" and sell gear with the images I posted earlier on it?
"These are crazy times Mr Hatter, crazy times. Crazy like Buddha! Muwahaha!"
Sure, Pine Ridge is a tough place, and yes, it's not all the white man's fault, not by a long shot. I worked with many Indian clients in the welfare system, so yeah, I get it. And if it's Indian e-dick swinging time here, I have my own years of experience with tribes and tribal members.
Jesus christ dude, what kind of apologist are you? Why is Tri-U or me or anyone going off on the guy? Let me refresh, here's the very first thing he said on the subject
Does someone really have to explain to you why that is not ok, even if he's had boatloads of bad experiences? Really? Then, when challenged NOT to paint with such a broad brush, to not implicate all Indians, he said this next:
Then he started backtracking. I don't give a shit what his experiences were, talking the way he did about any race or ethnic group (not to mention a huge variety of races/tribes, many of which he has no personal experience with) is simply not ok. It's not.
one could say the same about you.
"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
Tipp, the problem is the first small pox infested blanket statement made by Yeti:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath View Post
they are trading off of the slaughtering of a great people...
Sure he dug himself out a bit, but come on, ^ that's pretty fucking racist statement.
DD, you're an annoying, trolling fuck, but this is a good cause, props to you for it.
I'm not surprized at all that some random dude would think this was a good idea for free pr but amazed at all of the athletes that signed on.
You'll get a lot more mileage by dragging the athletes and their sponsors into it than the name itself.
Here's a few keywords.
the partners of the company include
Shaun Palmer,
Nate Holland,
Ross Powers,
Parker White
Jon Hartman
X Games
POWDER magazine
Tomahawk
Tomahawk International
Morgan.
shit
Morgan shits
Palmer, 46
Level 1’s Superunknown XI.
Emeryville, California
you can find guys like Ian Compton,
Max Hill, and
Hartman
working closely with designers to put out their own gear. This year, Compton, Hill, and Hartman released their Totem Jacket and Pants.
POWDER October 2014 cover boy, Parker White, launched his own line of outerwear this season with Tomahawk. PHOTO: Tomahawk International
White is debuting his own signature outerwear combo this season: the P-White Jacket and Pants, $420.
White joined Tomahawk five years ago and he is one of Tomahawk’s original partners. He is also responsible for putting together the team of athletes to represent Tomahawk’s tribe.
Newest additions to the tribe include
Lucas Stål Madison
Sweden
film Finess
Tomahawk International
TomahawkInternational.com
Ok, missed that one. I only read the last page.
Ah well. Have at it. I'm not Yeti's SJW either. He's a big boy.
Holy shit a fucking P-white jacket
How much more obvious can the get?
File the injunction. Contacts. List them. Let's blow these Kkk goons out.
Zone Controller
"He wants to be a pro, bro, not some schmuck." - Hugh Conway
"DigitalDeath would kick my ass. He has the reach of a polar bear." - Crass3000
And they call it a tribe?? What a bunch of spacefaggots
Zone Controller
"He wants to be a pro, bro, not some schmuck." - Hugh Conway
"DigitalDeath would kick my ass. He has the reach of a polar bear." - Crass3000
We talking dot or feather here?
some of my best friends are Indians so it's cool.
Got my Levitation Project sticker on my Taco so I'm down with the brown.
I wonder why the company hasn't responded to us?
Thats disrespectful.
Zone Controller
"He wants to be a pro, bro, not some schmuck." - Hugh Conway
"DigitalDeath would kick my ass. He has the reach of a polar bear." - Crass3000
Not sure if any of you maggots use instagram, but they do have a page. This would be one of the quickest ways to publicly call out their shit and get them to respond to you. Seems all comments on various pictures are of individuals who are psyched on the clothes and there is a bit of a following.
Exactly. It doesn't matter how many clicks on tgr there are, it needs to go viral.
Kinda sucks that it will get him free pr, but that's the only chance you have.
And frankly tgr doesn't want to see this at the top of the padded room for the next month.
Call the guy and get an interview, record it. Start out nice, then work your way into doesn't he feel bad.
Hopefully he tells you to fuck off.
post it on youtube.
Put all of those keywords in.
Get it to reddit
hope it goes viral.
How can somebody start a business like this without someone involved saying it's not a good image to portray?
www.apriliaforum.com
"If the road You followed brought you to this,of what use was the road"?
"I have no idea what I am talking about but would be happy to share my biased opinions as fact on the matter. "
Ottime
Because its the plan and DD is feeding the marketing strategy with fuel. You and I would never even know about it, but you get one person like DD who is so outraged they start a campaign, and now you and I know about it. Someone in the news picks up the cause, the company gets free publicity, they do a mea culpa, tone things down and go on their merry way, enjoying the kickstart.
DD is playing into their hand. Bootlicking without even knowing he's bootlicking.
"timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
Who cares? Some small shitty stupid company that no one cares about until some native american romanticizing fool starts freaking out.
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Don't be so sure about relative experience Tipp. I don't even need to justify my pissed-offness by dick-swinging about how much “experience” I can muster in re: rez life, though I can, in spades. The fact remains Yeti is painting a broad brush based on his fucked-up personal experiences which he doesn't even realize are completely one-sided. "Not lauding” is a polite euphemism for what Yeti was going on about how, in his opinion and based on his experience, all natives are lazy, shiftless, wife-, child- and pet- beating drunkard slags who'll pull a gun on you and rob you when they aren't slacking off at work.
Well good on ya. Is life on the rez sweetness and light? Hell no, I never said that it was. That's what you get from centuries of disenfranchisement, rural poverty and discrimination, both of the personal kind (like Yeti is spewing) and systemic. It's fucking desperate on many, if not all of them , even larger, relatively better run ones like the Dine Nation.
Am I saying Natives all Noble Savages and it's all Whitey's fault? Never said the former, and I'll be the first to admit it's not entirely the latter, though it plays a significant role. As for your characterization of “why work” that's the laughable mischaracterization that's all too prevalent amongst people who don't actually have to live there.
Look, I mentioned earlier I used to think Yeti was a cool dude, and perhaps he is IRL, I dunno we've never met - but this isn't the first time he's popped off on this topic. He's much more demeaning this time around and that flipped my bullshit detection meter to 11. He came pretty damn close to claiming they ALL were “that way”, then dug himself deeper in subsequent posts. At the very least, he made the broad implication that they're all that way, including urban natives he's worked with. That's fucking bullshit, and if he can only imagine what it's like being native and having to put up with that kind of attitude ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
Privilege, the 2014 ad hominem for white guys calling other white guys racist.
Did you sell yours yet Pio?
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I still call it The Jake.
The tribes profits are up.
This is fucked up.
This guy yeti gives his opinion of a group of people based on his experience. (100% human thing to do)
The righteous wolves pounce on him. (Also 100% human thing to do)
The problem is now people like Yeti who feel certain ways have to hide those feelings because they get demolished if they are expressed. This breeds more prejudice by keeping those thoughts inside, sharing them only with other like minded people who further perpetuate the problem.
If the righteous wolves were actually helpful as they think they are protecting this group, they would open up a dialogue to dispel some of the misconceptions.
Being a dick to a dick just makes more dicks, lord knows this world has enough dicks.
Zone Controller
"He wants to be a pro, bro, not some schmuck." - Hugh Conway
"DigitalDeath would kick my ass. He has the reach of a polar bear." - Crass3000
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