Police Behaving Badly

[altacoup]

Social workers? That was the whole idea behind defund the police - hire more social workers to deal with the mentally ill, etc. and devote police to the tasks they are more suited to. But that kind of complex thing doesn’t play in the USA

It certainly doesn’t work with a slogan like “defund the police”. There’s a program like that in Eugene Oregon that’s been hugely successful. But Eugene is very liberal. Getting centrists on board is going to be tough.

[Cono Este]

It's hard to fault fully dressed and equipped police officers from trying to rescue a drowning man. Plenty of untrained rescuers drown themselves. It's not the same as, for example, failing to confront a mass shooter which is something cops are trained and expected to do.

I disagree. As a former beach guard I know the danger you speak of. The guy could drown you.

Still, You can drop your gun belt, lose your shoes and dive in. If you can’t swim, you shouldn’t be a cop. But then again half of them could not jog a mile without oxygen.


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[Peruvian]

I was riding my bike down the street this afternoon. 2 cop cars, a fire truck, and an ambulance were blocking the road. I expected the worst.

Nope - they were harassing the guy who has been sleeping on a stoop of a closed YMCA for the last few weeks. At least 6 cops, two EMTs and 2 FF mostly standing around while this guy had to turn out his entire life’s belongings. Motherfucker just needed a place to lay his head.

I feel much safer.

[SumJongGuy]

It certainly doesn’t work with a slogan like “defund the police”. There’s a program like that in Eugene Oregon that’s been hugely successful. But Eugene is very liberal. Getting centrists on board is going to be tough.

That's more of the stupid messaging that kills noble efforts for progressive change. It should be "DeMilitarize the Police" or "ReHumanize the Police". Also, anything that uses the word "socialism" will never succeed in this sociopolitical climate.

[schuss]

I wonder how much is paid by an insurance company though....

Likely very little unless there's some Lloyd's syndicates out there. Massive potential liability, bad optics if you try to contest rulings and little to no ability to predict risk with the basically non-existent oversight that exists for most departments

[zion zig zag]

I was riding my bike down the street this afternoon. 2 cop cars, a fire truck, and an ambulance were blocking the road. I expected the worst.

Nope - they were harassing the guy who has been sleeping on a stoop of a closed YMCA for the last few weeks. At least 6 cops, two EMTs and 2 FF mostly standing around while this guy had to turn out his entire life’s belongings. Motherfucker just needed a place to lay his head.

I feel much safer.

Did you offer for him to stay at your place? At least on your porch? I mean, he just needs a place to sleep. He’s probably not a third strike offender refugee from Cali. Or a convicted sex criminal. Or probably hardly ever flies into a violent rage from his untreated (except for heroin) schizophrenia.

But yeah, the cops should have totally just let him keep trespassing in that neighborhood, around those families and their children.

You can fuck right off with “harassing.”


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[dunfree]

Oh noes! A poor person! The children might be confronted with humanity! Call the pigs!

but make sure the shitheel yuppies camping on the street in their #vanlife sprinters ripping bong hits don’t get tased.

[dunfree]

Likely very little unless there's some Lloyd's syndicates out there. Massive potential liability, bad optics if you try to contest rulings and little to no ability to predict risk with the basically non-existent oversight that exists for most departments

Most are self insured. It’s a deflection not a question.

[J. Barron DeJong]

That's more of the stupid messaging that kills noble efforts for progressive change. It should be "DeMilitarize the Police" or "ReHumanize the Police". Also, anything that uses the word "socialism" will never succeed in this sociopolitical climate.

The stupid slogan came from the original stupid idea of actually eliminating all funding for the police:

”Yes, at first, “defund the police” denoted what “defund” usually means in budget-speak: the zeroing out of public money. The point was to eliminate police departments. But that is no longer what it means to most progressives, at least publicly and in the present tense. To miss this is to miss how policing is being denuded, to the growing detriment of American security and prosperity.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal...he-police/amp/

The policy proposals changed, but the stupid slogan stuck around.

[AdironRider]

Oh noes! A poor person! The children might be confronted with humanity! Call the pigs!

but make sure the shitheel yuppies camping on the street in their #vanlife sprinters ripping bong hits don’t get tased.

Vanlifers get told to scram all the fucking time and you know this.

[dunfree]

Vanlifers get told to scram all the fucking time and you know this.

You know there’s a double standard in us life, you are just showing your ass as some type of attempted burn. Parking, public use of drugs, public intoxication, the question is always on whom and how the laws are enforced because it’s never equal

[TBS]

Did you offer for him to stay at your place? At least on your porch? I mean, he just needs a place to sleep. He’s probably not a third strike offender refugee from Cali. Or a convicted sex criminal. Or probably hardly ever flies into a violent rage from his untreated (except for heroin) schizophrenia.

But yeah, the cops should have totally just let him keep trespassing in that neighborhood, around those families and their children.

You can fuck right off with “harassing.”


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Where should homeless people go when there’s no shelter space available?

[zion zig zag]

Where should homeless people go when there’s no shelter space available?

I can’t speak to other places but, even on the coldest day of winter, shelter occupancy rate never climbed above 60% here. But you have to follow rules at the shelter so…..

You and I both know the solution and it’s not allowing camping wherever people please. The results of that policy is a failure and easy to see.

[riser4]

I can’t speak to other places but, even on the coldest day of winter, shelter occupancy rate never climbed above 60% here. But you have to follow rules at the shelter so…..

You and I both know the solution and it’s not allowing camping wherever people please. The results of that policy is a failure and easy to see.

Let me get this straight. If we crack down on "camping" then the homelessness problem will be solved? Sorta like outlawing homelessness and everything is magically fixed?

[AdironRider]

You know there’s a double standard in us life, you are just showing your ass as some type of attempted burn. Parking, public use of drugs, public intoxication, the question is always on whom and how the laws are enforced because it’s never equal

Yeah, and the vanlifer who just moves the fuck along is totally the same exact scenario as a mentally challenged homeless guy that has refused to leave for weeks.

What's equal is they are both told to fucking leave. When one does without issue and one doesn't without creating a problem for weeks that is on the perpetrator and not the cops. They were treated equally until the parties decide to act differently.

[summit]

San Francisco votes over 60% in favor of recalling anti-prosecution progressive DA Chesa Boudin over his catch and release and non-prosecutorial policies.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/election...t-17226641.php

[schuss]

San Francisco votes over 60% in favor of recalling anti-prosecution progressive DA Chesa Boudin over his catch and release and non-prosecutorial policies.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/election...t-17226641.php

The more I see of the details of his run - the more it appears he was utter shit at his job. Sounds like it's good all around that he's out.
That said - not like police hands are clean on this either - https://missionlocal.org/2022/03/sfp...-beating-case/

[jono]

They were treated equally until the parties decide to act differently.

[zion zig zag]

Let me get this straight. If we crack down on "camping" then the homelessness problem will be solved? Sorta like outlawing homelessness and everything is magically fixed?

Because that’s what I said? I guess I need a comma after ‘solution?’


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[Toadman]

Let me get this straight. If we crack down on "camping" then the homelessness problem will be solved? Sorta like outlawing homelessness and everything is magically fixed?

I thought TN was looking to ban homeless camping, making it illegal. So, now the homeless in TN can be housed in prisons on TN taxpayer dime. Win-win. I guess that's one way to solve the problem.

[dunfree]

Yeah, and the vanlifer who just moves the fuck along is totally the same exact scenario as a mentally challenged homeless guy that has refused to leave for weeks.

What's equal is they are both told to fucking leave. When one does without issue and one doesn't without creating a problem for weeks that is on the perpetrator and not the cops. They were treated equally until the parties decide to act differently.

An impressive amount of bullshit and cop love for someone who claims to be a libertarian

[dunfree]

The more I see of the details of his run - the more it appears he was utter shit at his job. Sounds like it's good all around that he's out.
That said - not like police hands are clean on this either - https://missionlocal.org/2022/03/sfp...-beating-case/

he got a lot of hate nationally for shit that wasn’t his fault (including the reduction in prosecutions during a fucking pandemic), and dumb motherfuckers lap it up nationally. In the end though - people in the us like their shitty system of rights removal and state violence, as long as directed at someone they don’t like, and they are willing to pay big money to continue this systemic failure

[AdironRider]

An impressive amount of bullshit and cop love for someone who claims to be a libertarian

Enforcement of property rights and Libertarianism are not mutually exclusive but you do you.

[schuss]

he got a lot of hate nationally for shit that wasn’t his fault (including the reduction in prosecutions during a fucking pandemic), and dumb motherfuckers lap it up nationally. In the end though - people in the us like their shitty system of rights removal and state violence, as long as directed at someone they don’t like, and they are willing to pay big money to continue this systemic failure

Eh, if you dig into it, there were some fairly negligent bits of just bad prosecution/lawyer practice and multiple instances of letting violent offenders go when caught with "ghost guns", or no serial guns constructed from 80% kits and the like. Also he apparently did little to address violence against Asians.
I don't think it necessarily means that "prosecute certain crimes less" is invalid as a practice, it was just not the right person or PD to implement it.

[dunfree]

And if you dig into it many if the people who hate Boudin, don’t have a fucking problem with ghost guns and the like. People in the US like the image of tough on crime no matter the reality. And that’s politics in the us. Policy doesn’t matter, image does.