What's Blizzard up to?

[Velomayniac]

It’s not that it’s neutured, it’s just not as fun or has the same feeling as the old ones. You can still rage as hard as you want on the 192.

I have a hard time understanding the new one. Does seem a bit misunderstood in general.

I think it could work for someone like me, heavy guy that likes chargers, but also ski a lot of moguls and tight spots. That’s what I got from the Blister review too.

How stable is the 192 Cochise 106 compared to 192 Declivity X? Declivity is just about where I draw the line for “charger”. Nothing to do with my ability, more like my weight and probably lack of balance I need a stiffer ski to hold me up when I’m speeding through smaller bumps and crud. I’m glad you steered me away from the Blade Optic 114

I almost traded the Declivity X for Cochise 106, but just started at a new University at the time and took my time/forgot. When I reached out to the guy again, he started swearing at me about wasting his time.

[SoVT Joey]

I have a hard time understanding the new one. Does seem a bit misunderstood in general.

I think it could work for someone like me, heavy guy that likes chargers, but also ski a lot of moguls and tight spots. That’s what I got from the Blister review too.

How stable is the 192 Cochise 106 compared to 192 Declivity X? Declivity is just about where I draw the line for “charger”. Nothing to do with my ability, more like my weight and probably lack of balance I need a stiffer ski to hold me up when I’m speeding through smaller bumps and crud. I’m glad you steered me away from the Blade Optic 114

I almost traded the Declivity X for Cochise 106, but just started at a new University at the time and took my time/forgot. When I reached out to the guy again, he started swearing at me about wasting his time.

see, and that statement right there pretty much sells me on a cochise over my Corvus. I like my Cochise I picked up for cheap on GS but it’s the black special edition with the carbon tips, I want a full build new one.

[Velomayniac]

I am most interested in finding a mint pair of 2019 Orange Cochise 192

[mr_pretzel]

I have a hard time understanding the new one. Does seem a bit misunderstood in general.

I think it could work for someone like me, heavy guy that likes chargers, but also ski a lot of moguls and tight spots. That’s what I got from the Blister review too.

How stable is the 192 Cochise 106 compared to 192 Declivity X? Declivity is just about where I draw the line for “charger”. Nothing to do with my ability, more like my weight and probably lack of balance I need a stiffer ski to hold me up when I’m speeding through smaller bumps and crud. I’m glad you steered me away from the Blade Optic 114

I almost traded the Declivity X for Cochise 106, but just started at a new University at the time and took my time/forgot. When I reached out to the guy again, he started swearing at me about wasting his time.

It’s more stable than the declivity X on hard snow as it has way less taper, 20cm? The tail is also a slight bit stiffer on the cochise, but I don’t find the declivity particularly soft, more just lacking effective edge in the tip. I definitely think the cochise could work well for you, it’s also more fun in bumps than gen 2, but not surfy like gen 1.
I wrote a review somewhere in here, probably past season.

[Velomayniac]

It’s more stable than the declivity X on hard snow as it has way less taper, 20cm? The tail is also a slight bit stiffer on the cochise, but I don’t find the declivity particularly soft, more just lacking effective edge in the tip. I definitely think the cochise could work well for you, it’s also more fun in bumps than gen 2, but not surfy like gen 1.
I wrote a review somewhere in here, probably past season.

Thank you. Interesting, I’d like to try them for sure. I’d plan to use them for firm, mid winter conditions. Bry’s response to them has me a bit scared.

You gonna come down and ski Tahoe this spring?

[gregorys]

It’s not that it’s neutured, it’s just not as fun or has the same feeling as the old ones. You can still rage as hard as you want on the 192.

I agree.
I have all three and have skied all three, combined, many days in the last couple of years.

The OG had a specific feel, and the "revised" Carbon version was very different. The new C106 is a different feel yet again, though it's much closer to the OG than the carbon versions.
In short, the OG was very smooth, and damp, but also very drifty. (Lots of tip/tail splay.) It was not great in harder conditions.
The Carbon 108 was *much* better in firmer conditions and more technical situations, but lost that ultra smooth drifty sense. (IMO, there's no way to really have both.)
The 106 is much more drifty than the previous version, but still maintains a fair bit of the technical chops of the Carbon 108's.

IMO, the C106 is very good.
I'd hate to give up any of them, but if I had to, I'd get rid of the Carbon 108's first, the OG's next and the C106's last.
So, no, I would certainly not say they're neutered.

I think I'd say that the OG's were, compared to what had come before, a huge step up.
For the C106s to be as "revolutionary" and as big of a step-up again, well they'd have to come from God or something...

And for people who wanted that same step-up and that classic feel, it was "disappointing" to get just another 10/10 ski. (Even to myself, I say; "Quit bitching, it's still a 10/10 ski!")

[nickwm21]

Yeah - they are not going to blow your socks off like the OGs did in specific conditions, but they are much more well rounded than all the previous Cochise’s, which were best in class for what they did but kinda one trick pony’s. The new C106 is a perfect daily driver for a directional skier who likes the ski the fall line off groom.

Jonathan’s quote from the podcast: “I have many days where I think today would be a great Cochise day” which I think sums it up. Unless there is over 6” of new snow or unless I’m skiing groomers all day; I’m on the Cochise. I sold my Bonafides because the new Cochise works so well.


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[dmcd]

Does anyone here own the Hustle 11? Why did Blizzard release a "touring ski" that weighs more than the Rustler it is based on? Am I missing something?

[J. Barron DeJong]

Does anyone here own the Hustle 11? Why did Blizzard release a "touring ski" that weighs more than the Rustler it is based on? Am I missing something?

They get into it in this GEAR:30 podcast

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2gs...RcO9TMoOGgu2-w

Not sure I found the argument convincing, but wasn’t really paying close attention.

[~mikey b]

blizzard

[Bandit Man]

Shifts on Gunsmokes. Probably not a lot of folks using that setup. Looks like fun.

[~mikey b]

I don’t tour much with em but I like having the option

[Eluder]

I agree.
I have all three and have skied all three, combined, many days in the last couple of years.

The OG had a specific feel, and the "revised" Carbon version was very different. The new C106 is a different feel yet again, though it's much closer to the OG than the carbon versions.
In short, the OG was very smooth, and damp, but also very drifty. (Lots of tip/tail splay.) It was not great in harder conditions.
The Carbon 108 was *much* better in firmer conditions and more technical situations, but lost that ultra smooth drifty sense. (IMO, there's no way to really have both.)
The 106 is much more drifty than the previous version, but still maintains a fair bit of the technical chops of the Carbon 108's.

IMO, the C106 is very good.
I'd hate to give up any of them, but if I had to, I'd get rid of the Carbon 108's first, the OG's next and the C106's last.
So, no, I would certainly not say they're neutered.

I think I'd say that the OG's were, compared to what had come before, a huge step up.
For the C106s to be as "revolutionary" and as big of a step-up again, well they'd have to come from God or something...

And for people who wanted that same step-up and that classic feel, it was "disappointing" to get just another 10/10 ski. (Even to myself, I say; "Quit bitching, it's still a 10/10 ski!")

I have a pair OG and the 106, and skied the carbon tip a fair amount as well. I agree with that assessment but will note I'm too scrawny to ski the 193...

I often go weeks without skiing my 106, but every time I ski it, I question why it's been so long.

[ABinThe603]

Might not be the best thread but I am going to throw it out there - I have a (fairly new to me) pair of Rustler 9s that I really enjoy. Skied probably 6 days over the past few months on them. Today, I noticed they are separating/delaminating on one side of one ski at roughly the brake of the heel. It's happening at both the top and bottom of the sidewall, ~3" and ~1" respectively. This is the second pair of skis that this has happened to me with this season. The first is an older pair of enforcer 110s that had 3 mounts and probably 200 days on them, so I didn't think too much of it. Now I am wondering if I am fucking something up, given it's happened twice? Too much/ little forward pressure? Bad mounts? I'm bigger and ski hard but there are people out there skiing way harder than me, so it seems a bit egregious for them to pull apart like that.

[Westcoaster]

Might not be the best thread but I am going to throw it out there - I have a (fairly new to me) pair of Rustler 9s that I really enjoy. Skied probably 6 days over the past few months on them. Today, I noticed they are separating/delaminating on one side of one ski at roughly the brake of the heel. It's happening at both the top and bottom of the sidewall, ~3" and ~1" respectively. This is the second pair of skis that this has happened to me with this season. The first is an older pair of enforcer 110s that had 3 mounts and probably 200 days on them, so I didn't think too much of it. Now I am wondering if I am fucking something up, given it's happened twice? Too much/ little forward pressure? Bad mounts? I'm bigger and ski hard but there are people out there skiing way harder than me, so it seems a bit egregious for them to pull apart like that.

Who is doing these mounts? Maybe you're over torquing and somehow delamming the topsheets?

[Gnar_Shralp406]

Might not be the best thread but I am going to throw it out there - I have a (fairly new to me) pair of Rustler 9s that I really enjoy. Skied probably 6 days over the past few months on them. Today, I noticed they are separating/delaminating on one side of one ski at roughly the brake of the heel. It's happening at both the top and bottom of the sidewall, ~3" and ~1" respectively. This is the second pair of skis that this has happened to me with this season. The first is an older pair of enforcer 110s that had 3 mounts and probably 200 days on them, so I didn't think too much of it. Now I am wondering if I am fucking something up, given it's happened twice? Too much/ little forward pressure? Bad mounts? I'm bigger and ski hard but there are people out there skiing way harder than me, so it seems a bit egregious for them to pull apart like that.

Any edge compressions? I've delammed Rustlers and Enforcers after compressing the edge under the heal. My other theory is pivots exacerbate this issue.

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[ABinThe603]

Any edge compressions? I've delammed Rustlers and Enforcers after compressing the edge under the heal. My other theory is pivots exacerbate this issue.

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No edge compressions, interestingly my enforcer 94s have a moderate edge compression under one of the heel pieces and are fine.

Two different shops 2 years apart have mounted them. I have made relatively small adjustments to AFD and forward pressure switching between alpine/gripwalk soles this season. My hypothesis is that I overtorqued the forward pressure and ended up with a delam, then water damage cause the lower section of the sidewall to separate. However, this is post-hoc and I'm 95% sure that I have correctly set the forward pressure.

[muted reborn]

I'm looking for the latest R11's to be on sale for labor Day - I only see locally Evo has them in stock (Salt Lake City). From web browsing no one else even has them, although their websites may be outdated.

Anyone see them on sale this weekend locally or online? Or are they just not going to be on sale? Wasatchback you know anything?

Haven't shopped Labor Day Sales in decades but it used be that everything was on sale then. Not anymore?

[Eluder]

I'm looking for the latest R11's to be on sale for labor Day - I only see locally Evo has them in stock (Salt Lake City). From web browsing no one else even has them, although their websites may be outdated.

Anyone see them on sale this weekend locally or online? Or are they just not going to be on sale? Wasatchback you know anything?

Haven't shopped Labor Day Sales in decades but it used be that everything was on sale then. Not anymore?

You might find a deal in person, but no one can advertise a new model ski on sale until their aggreement says they can. Which isn't until 2024.

[gregL]

You might find a deal in person, but no one can advertise a new model ski on sale until their aggreement says they can. Which isn't until 2024.

This is how it works. You can't drop MAP pricing until the distributor says so, usually in the 3rd or 4th week of February. Sometimes there is an in-store only discount on new models at evo, but the Labor Day Sale pricing has been in effect for 2 weeks now and 2024 skis are not included. Great deals on streetwear and bike accessories, though, I'm ready for "Back to School."

[muted reborn]

Thanks - I found 10% off 192 2024 R11s today, my size aren't in stock but I'm on the wait list for them. I doubt I'll find a better deal, but if anyone can prove me wrong lemme know please. 2 other shops didn't have them in stock or have a sale on 2024 models, the shops were empty too, I guess Labor Day sales aren't a big deal anymore.

[kid-kapow]

This is how it works. You can't drop MAP pricing until the distributor says so, usually in the 3rd or 4th week of February. Sometimes there is an in-store only discount on new models at evo, but the Labor Day Sale pricing has been in effect for 2 weeks now and 2024 skis are not included.

I do find it kinda funny that the pricing is well less regulated / mandated by distributors/brands over here in Euroland, let alone in Socialist Scandiland where I live, then it is in the US.

The kind of price regulation described above would likely be deemed price collusion / monopolistic behavior over here and would be no bueno. Hell, brands stating that "our product has to be sold at this price" is against the law here in Norway. Brands can choose who they sell to and there are rules regulating how long a sticker price has to be in effect before it can be discounted (marked as discounted), but brands for the most part cannot enforce the sticker price. So the above sounds like stores saying "oh no, we cannot lower prices, the brands won't let us" while knowing full well that the brands won't drop them if they did (at least in the case of major chains, less so smaller stores).

To be fair, the pricing over here is a bit of a shit show causing some of the smaller shops especially to fail, but then again - I imagine most stores over yonder would not lower prices if they could but would engange in rent seeking behavior.

cool story I know

[gregL]

Brands can choose who they sell to and there are rules regulating how long a sticker price has to be in effect before it can be discounted (marked as discounted), but brands for the most part cannot enforce the sticker price.

All the distributors can really do is refuse to sell to you next season, but so far all the bigger retailers (i.e. 5+ brick and mortars and a healthy online channel) have chosen to play by the "rules." There is occasional "finger pointing" at other retailers who push the MAP pricing rules, we have people on the lookout for such cases and they are usually resolved quickly. They've also been successful in getting brands to pressure Euro retailers who discount heavily from shipping to the US; what they do in the EU is another thing.

[PeachesNCream]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PNWS...ibextid=S66gvF

Bonafides for $100 in Seattle


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[skibrd]

I semi-regretfully moved back to the east coast and need to make a few quiver adjustments. I’m going to grab a new pair of Rustler 9s for all the reasons stated before, but my 194 Kastle MX 98s are slightly overkill, and I’d like a flat tail groomer zoomer.

Which brings me to my question, what are the big differences between the 88 and 82 Brahmas? I’ve had 189 and 189 Brahmas before, loved both. Also loved my early Gen Bonafides before switching to the Kastles.

I have a pair of Head beer league carving skis (17m radius), so something carvier then the R9s but more relaxed then the Heads is what I’m looking for.


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