Best mounting point for bump skis?

[DaffyJeffy]

I'm sure there is MANY different opinions on this, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see what you guys say. But let's frame the question within a few parameters: 1) The goal is mogul SKIING, not flipping-around-in-the-air-like-Gabby-Douglas-new-school bullshit. 2) We're talking about true mogul skiing - aggressive, down the zipperline bump bashing 3) Bindings will be mounted on a true mogul ski.

Please don't respond by saying "+1cm" or "-2cm". This drives me crazy. You have to say a position related to something specific; center-running-surface, manufacture's mark, true tip-tail center, or center of sidecut or whatever. And all that is meaningless if you don't specify "center of boot", or "ball of foot".

I'm "oldish" (41) so I've always used BOF on CRS in the past but I know the new-school, postmodernist Pandora's box has challenged conventional wisdom and made a confusing mess out of what used to be very simple. Have at it.

[thewon]

i'd recommend going with the bcm on ski.

[skimaxpower]

3) Bindings will be mounted on a true mogul ski.

If you're actually riding a mogul-specific ski, then you should mount following the ski manufacturer's recommendations.

[tsk01]

What ski?...

[wstdeep]

BOF on center of running surface. The end.

[DropCliffsNotBombs]

Toe point on cord center for a 300mm boot. Adjust forward or back for bigger or smaller boots.
That's the old school method for mounting conventional mogul skis.
I've never agreed on moving the mount forward for moguls skis because having longer tails in zipperline ruts is a liability.

[snoqpass]

Wayne Wong sez in da fuckin' back seat suckers

[thewon]

Learn to ski right from WONG!

[iscariot]

For mogul specific skis, I recommend mounting the bindings on a different pair of skis, and then not skiing moguls.

[thewon]

Ah cmon man. Moguls separate those that can actually ski from those that can only ski pow.

[powbmps]

For mogul specific skis, I recommend mounting the bindings on a different pair of skis, and then not skiing moguls.

I like this answer.

Wouldn't it depend on the ski manufacturer and personal preference? I like the Dynastar Twisters 1 cm in front of the mark and the Elan Bloodlines right on the mark, but that's just me.

[DaffyJeffy]

Wayne Wong sez in da fuckin' back seat suckers

Back when mogul skiing was about style...sigh. Personally, I think modern, competitive mogul skiing looks silly; robo-skiers with zero upper body movement skiing hand-cut, perfect courses, and the aforementioned ariel gymnastics.

[DaffyJeffy]

Ah cmon man. Moguls separate those that can actually ski from those that can only ski pow.

You speakin' da truth brother.

[DaffyJeffy]

Toe point on cord center for a 300mm boot. Adjust forward or back for bigger or smaller boots.
That's the old school method for mounting conventional mogul skis.
I've never agreed on moving the mount forward for moguls skis because having longer tails in zipperline ruts is a liability.

Cliffs, could you clarify what you mean by "chord" center? I've seen this term used interchangeably with CRS and tip-to-tail with a tape-measure. The only time I've ever used the true tip-to-tail measurement is when mounting tele gear (along with balance-point).

[DaffyJeffy]

I'm hesitant to tell you all the exact model ski and length because, that opens the whole postmodernist pandora's box of "opinions" I mentioned. I'm well aware that there are a million factors with mount point: My height/weight, age, length of ski, where I ski (east-coast Sugarloaf in my case), my level of fitness, level of aggression, and the nebulous personal "style".

In posting this question, I was mainly curious to see if there was any consensus "rules of thumb" for mogul-specific skiing base on empirical information. Once we enter the realm of subjectivity...well, things get messy quick. Subjectivity and anecdotal opinions can be helpful, but a base-line is needed first.

[thewon]

sugarloaf eh? nuff said. best goddam mountain this side of the pacific for true fall line "real" bump skiing.

i heart bubblecuffer right from the tippy top. relentless

chord center=measure tip to tail and cut it half.

[DaffyJeffy]

sugarloaf eh? nuff said. best goddam mountain this side of the pacific for true fall line "real" bump skiing.

i heart bubblecuffer right from the tippy top. relentless

chord center=measure tip to tail and cut it half.

The Loaf has so much great skiing, but 9 times out of 10 you'll find me bashin' bumps on Winter's Way and Bubblecuffer. Double Bitter can be quite nice too - real old-school, raw, natural mogul skiing.

[DropCliffsNotBombs]

Cliffs, could you clarify what you mean by "chord" center?

Chord center= Measure tip to tail (through the air), divide in half.

[ill-advised strategy]

come on man, post the make/model/length of ski.

[ZomblibulaX]

Subjectivity and anecdotal opinions can be helpful, but a base-line is needed first.

The baseline is the manufacturer's recommended boot midsole mark.

[XXX-er]

In any dumpster

[DaffyJeffy]

The baseline is the manufacturer's recommended boot midsole mark.

One look around this forum reveals that the manufacture's line is of very little value to most skiers (whether or not skiers are right to question the mfgers is another debate). That's why I was lamenting the old days of BOF on CRS. I was hoping there would be some kind of consensus like, "+1 to +3 of CRS is typical for mogul skis". But yeah, I knew that was a long shot.

[DaffyJeffy]

In any dumpster

I'm going to assume you're a shitty mogul skier.

[XXX-er]

I would just rather not and if I had to ski where some of you ski on skinny skis on ice in crowds down bump runs i would do something else

[AlpiNord]

Regarding general 'best mounting point' questions, consider adjustable bindings to dial it in for yourself. If the bindings are an acceptable option for your skiing needs you are golden. If not you can remove them after finding the sweet spot on the skis and mount your preferred binding accordingly (assuming hole conflicts are avoided). I did this on a pair and found it very telling for difference in locations, depending on snow type, terrain and ski type.